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63 dead, over 600 missing in CA fire

https://www.sfchronicle.com/california-wildfires/article/Cam...
heady unholy indian lodge selfie
  11/16/18
Jfc. How did this shit start?
Boyish Temple
  11/16/18
Trump tweeted things
mahogany beady-eyed hall
  11/16/18
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heady unholy indian lodge selfie
  11/16/18
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Wonderful sandwich
  11/16/18
orange man bad
Fuchsia outnumbered ticket booth
  11/16/18
Bureaucratic incompetence: One Butte County resident, Bet...
heady unholy indian lodge selfie
  11/16/18
Christ. Sue that shit company out of existence.
Swashbuckling New Version
  11/16/18
lol, PG&E is backed by california rate-payers. the comp...
Azure laughsome theater stage
  11/16/18
California’s Paradise Lost Trump is a bully, but he&r...
free-loading sanctuary
  11/16/18
Trump is Hitler but he's usually right about everything
Contagious maroon base
  11/16/18
Trump is like Walter in The Big Lebowski "Am I wrong...
judgmental persian
  11/16/18
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Bateful National Twinkling Uncleanness
  11/16/18
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Contagious maroon base
  11/16/18
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Sticky Resort
  11/16/18
Orange Man still bad but...
Wonderful sandwich
  11/16/18
Utility companies don't pay to maintain their equipment beca...
effete exciting church building blood rage
  11/16/18
Why aren't they run as nonprofit organizations instead....ha...
heady unholy indian lodge selfie
  11/16/18
Flat tire
costumed boiling water gay wizard
  11/16/18
California pays their firefighters 200k+ https://transparen...
Disrespectful step-uncle's house
  11/16/18
500K+ with overtime, plus insane pensions sounds like a s...
heady unholy indian lodge selfie
  11/16/18
All flame aside, why do Californians don't do anything???
Disrespectful step-uncle's house
  11/16/18
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Disrespectful step-uncle's house
  11/16/18
The missing are probably bums who were camping in the woods,...
claret titillating roommate
  11/16/18
Entire families asleep. Burned to death in bed
Odious area
  11/16/18
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effete exciting church building blood rage
  11/16/18
Lots of olds living in those areas - burned to death in bed/...
heady unholy indian lodge selfie
  11/16/18
Well shit
claret titillating roommate
  11/16/18
People just sit in their homes as a wall of flame approaches...
crystalline insecure patrolman principal's office
  11/16/18
Fire can move fucking fast and the heat and smoke can disabl...
claret titillating roommate
  11/16/18
Lots of olds who can't run quickly or move quickly
heady unholy indian lodge selfie
  11/16/18
It's a good start.
Bateful National Twinkling Uncleanness
  11/16/18
California will be clensed with fire!
mewling hospital trust fund
  11/16/18
Watching the wildfire close in on your house over the course...
charcoal ceo theatre
  11/16/18
"missing persons" lists are always massively over-...
Azure laughsome theater stage
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Disrespectful step-uncle's house
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Date: November 16th, 2018 12:01 PM
Author: heady unholy indian lodge selfie

https://www.sfchronicle.com/california-wildfires/article/Camp-Fire-Blaze-coming-under-control-as-death-13395079.php

no worries!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37245282)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 12:01 PM
Author: Boyish Temple

Jfc. How did this shit start?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37245286)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 12:02 PM
Author: mahogany beady-eyed hall

Trump tweeted things

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37245288)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 12:04 PM
Author: heady unholy indian lodge selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37245309)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 2:25 PM
Author: Wonderful sandwich



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37246367)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 2:25 PM
Author: Fuchsia outnumbered ticket booth

orange man bad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37246370)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 12:04 PM
Author: heady unholy indian lodge selfie

Bureaucratic incompetence:

One Butte County resident, Betsy Ann Cowley of Pulga, says she received an email from PG&E the day before the Camp Fire began; the email told Cowley the company needed to replace some equipment near her property — close to the spot where the Camp Fire ignited the next day. PG&E has since told state regulators, however, the line was "not operational" when the fire started.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37245307)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 12:13 PM
Author: Swashbuckling New Version

Christ. Sue that shit company out of existence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37245398)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 5:48 PM
Author: Azure laughsome theater stage

lol, PG&E is backed by california rate-payers. the company will just jack up prices to offset any legal losses. that's already their plan. if you are on PG&E's grid, you will literally be paying for their incompetence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37247868)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 12:15 PM
Author: free-loading sanctuary

California’s Paradise Lost

Trump is a bully, but he’s right about bad forest management.

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By The Editorial Board

Nov. 12, 2018 7:23 p.m. ET

A firefighter is silhouetted by a burning home along Pacific Coast Highway during the Woolsey Fire in Malibu, California, Nov. 9.

A firefighter is silhouetted by a burning home along Pacific Coast Highway during the Woolsey Fire in Malibu, California, Nov. 9. PHOTO: ROBYN BECK/AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE/GETTY IMAGES

One problem with President Trump’s bullying rhetorical style is that he gives his critics reason to ignore him even when he has a point. Consider his weekend threat to yank federal funds from California amid its horrific wildfires.

Three fires are raging across the state, killing at least 31 people and scorching more than 200,000 acres, including the town of Paradise in the Sierra Nevada foothills. “There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor,” Mr. Trump tweeted. “Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!”

Mr. Trump has no empathy gene even if he is right about forestry ills. Relentless winds and low air moisture make California’s fires harder to contain while development is putting more people in danger. But also fueling the fires is an overgrown government bureaucracy that frustrates proper forest management.

About 57% of California forestland is owned by the federal government while most of the rest is private land regulated by the state. Nearly 130 million trees died in California between 2010 and 2017 due to drought and a bark beetle infestation. Dense forests put trees at greater risk for parasitic infection and enable fires to spread faster. When dead trees fall, they add more combustible fuel.

Once upon a time the U.S. Forest Service’s mission was to actively manage the federal government’s resources. Yet numerous laws over the last 50 years, including the Endangered Species Act and National Environmental Policy Act, have hampered tree-clearing, controlled burns and timber sales on federal land.

California also restricts timber harvesting and requires myriad permits and environmental-impact statements to prune overgrown forests. As the state Legislative Analyst’s Office (LAO) dryly noted in April, “project proponents seeking to conduct activities to improve the health of California’s forests indicate that in some cases, state regulatory requirements can be excessively duplicative, lengthy, and costly.”

One problem for landowners is disposing of deadwood. Dozens of biomass facilities that burn tree parts that can’t be used for lumber have closed due to emissions regulations and competition from subsidized renewables and cheap natural gas.

To burn leaves and tree limbs, landowners must obtain air-quality permits from “local air districts, burn permits from local fire agencies, and potentially other permits depending on the location, size, and type of burn,” the LAO explained. “Permits restrict the size of burn piles and vegetation that can be burned, the hours available for burns, and the allowable moisture levels in the material.”

The LAO recommended that California prune its regulations, facilitate timber sales and ease permitting for burning biomass. Environmentalists oppose this, but one irony is that destruction from fires imperils species far more than does regulated tree-clearing.

Thinning forests could also save Californians billions of gallons of water each year, according to an April study by the National Science Foundation. The good news is that the Trump Administration is expanding timber sales on federal land and this year’s harvest will be the biggest in two decades.

Restoring California’s forests to health could take years, but the lesson of these fires is that the feds and state should drop their political blinders and do it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37245421)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 12:19 PM
Author: Contagious maroon base

Trump is Hitler but he's usually right about everything

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37245462)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 1:08 PM
Author: judgmental persian

Trump is like Walter in The Big Lebowski

"Am I wrong?"

"No, you're not wrong."

"Am I wrong?"

"You're not wrong, Walter. You're just an asshole."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37245821)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 1:10 PM
Author: Bateful National Twinkling Uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37245829)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 1:18 PM
Author: Contagious maroon base



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37245875)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 5:52 PM
Author: Sticky Resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37247898)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 2:25 PM
Author: Wonderful sandwich

Orange Man still bad but...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37246375)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 1:20 PM
Author: effete exciting church building blood rage

Utility companies don't pay to maintain their equipment because that would hurt profits and it starts huge fires every year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37245899)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 2:25 PM
Author: heady unholy indian lodge selfie

Why aren't they run as nonprofit organizations instead....having PG&E traded in the stock exchange seems retarded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37246377)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 1:28 PM
Author: costumed boiling water gay wizard

Flat tire

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37245953)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 2:31 PM
Author: Disrespectful step-uncle's house

California pays their firefighters 200k+

https://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/search/?q=Fire

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37246421)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 2:32 PM
Author: heady unholy indian lodge selfie

500K+ with overtime, plus insane pensions

sounds like a sweet job - don't even have put out fires when they happen and you can never get fired

NO ACCOUNTABILITY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37246425)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 2:34 PM
Author: Disrespectful step-uncle's house

All flame aside, why do Californians don't do anything???

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37246439)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 7:38 PM
Author: Disrespectful step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37248436)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 12:59 PM
Author: claret titillating roommate

The missing are probably bums who were camping in the woods, right? How else could so many be dead/missing?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37245773)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 1:19 PM
Author: Odious area

Entire families asleep. Burned to death in bed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37245883)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 1:28 PM
Author: effete exciting church building blood rage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37245957)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: heady unholy indian lodge selfie

Lots of olds living in those areas - burned to death in bed/cars

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37246365)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 7:43 PM
Author: claret titillating roommate

Well shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37248476)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 1:00 PM
Author: crystalline insecure patrolman principal's office

People just sit in their homes as a wall of flame approaches?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37245781)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 1:02 PM
Author: claret titillating roommate

Fire can move fucking fast and the heat and smoke can disable you/your car before the flames do, and it could encroach from any/all sides or block roadways

But I think the victims by and large have to be hobos camping out in the woods

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37245785)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 2:25 PM
Author: heady unholy indian lodge selfie

Lots of olds who can't run quickly or move quickly



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37246372)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 1:09 PM
Author: Bateful National Twinkling Uncleanness

It's a good start.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37245826)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 2:32 PM
Author: mewling hospital trust fund

California will be clensed with fire!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37246427)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 5:44 PM
Author: charcoal ceo theatre

Watching the wildfire close in on your house over the course of a week sounds like a peak experience

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37247843)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 5:50 PM
Author: Azure laughsome theater stage

"missing persons" lists are always massively over-inflated after fires. there were something like 1,000 people "missing" after the sonoma fires; the final number of deaths was something like 45.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37247882)



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Date: November 16th, 2018 8:09 PM
Author: Disrespectful step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4134687&forum_id=2#37248601)