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Date: December 2nd, 2018 4:13 PM Author: bespoke temple Couple months in to a 425k in house job. What a huge lifestyle improvement over biglaw. All the fun parts (advising business teams) with none of the bullshit (entering time, line editing SPAs, etc), and hours are so much better. Also lost 15 lbs, now that I'm not stress drinking 3-4 times a week. Thanks to poasters who encouraged me to take this opportunity when it came up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338031) |
Date: December 2nd, 2018 4:14 PM Author: Talented sienna sweet tailpipe hominid 19YqGBXek9BNY933CFRsmaqDmTtJw4vj4j (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338038) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 4:14 PM Author: sadistic henna lay Age, family situation? Praticearea ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338040) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 4:29 PM Author: bespoke temple 34, married w/kids, tax (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338102) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 4:33 PM Author: sadistic henna lay How many years in biglaw? NOBRIKKFUSS? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338117) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:01 PM Author: bespoke temple 7 years. I was told I had a pretty good shot at making partner in a couple years. Partners were surprised when I left. But all of the current partners seemed unhappy, overweight, prematurely aged. Extra zeros in my bank account didn't seem like a good trade for mental and physical health. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338206) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:05 PM Author: sadistic henna lay Service partner? Seems like it’d be hard to get clients in tax (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338227) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:08 PM Author: bespoke temple Yes. Life of an equity service partner seems unappealing. You have to seriously hustle to stay in the good graces of M&A/cap markets rainmakers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338242) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:08 PM Author: sadistic henna lay Are there smaller firms that have their own clients instead of just being corporate support? Did you consider those? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338249) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:12 PM Author: bespoke temple Boutiques, yes. Worse comp until you build a book of business, and then you're still making in the mid 6 figures. Different work, and if I end up feeling like there isn't enough challenge where I am, I'll probably angle for boutique, even if I have to take a pay cut. At this stage, I'm more focused on having a job I enjoy than maximizing comp. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338273) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:13 PM Author: sadistic henna lay Are those places sweatshops too? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338287) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:17 PM Author: bespoke temple Less than big firms or big 4. But there is definitely pressure to do more writing/nonbillable work to generate clients. My sense is that it tends to be significantly more predictable hours, which likely improves QOL, even if the total number of hours isn't THAT much lower. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338311) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:08 PM Author: Swashbuckling Hairy Legs Sandwich it is. i know a v5 major but non-NYC office that is no longer making any partners in tax and whose tax group will be run by counsels once the last partner retires (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338245) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:10 PM Author: bespoke temple Not sure how much sense that makes. No public company is going to do a spinoff without a tax partner involved. But maybe they route the high profile work to other offices? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338257) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 11:28 AM Author: Swashbuckling Hairy Legs Sandwich yeah i think that gets sent to NYC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37342088) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 7:02 PM Author: Provocative Cheese-eating Site DC? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338785) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 11:29 AM Author: Swashbuckling Hairy Legs Sandwich london (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37342090) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 4:17 PM Author: cerise step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338051) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 4:17 PM Author: chartreuse nighttime whorehouse 11-3 T-TH? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338054) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 4:19 PM Author: territorial sapphire lettuce karate Cr why doesn’t everyone just do this
Except litigators of course lol at them |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 4:21 PM Author: Fragrant lake pistol ljl @ litigators (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338072) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 4:23 PM Author: sick jap corn cake OFS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338082) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 4:22 PM Author: walnut curious casino Guy at a shitty tiny shop with no crazy SLA metrics he needs to hit every single month. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338077) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 4:31 PM Author: bespoke temple What are SLA metrics? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338111) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 4:34 PM Author: walnut curious casino Service level agreements with the business. At banks legal has to report all kinds of idiotic metrics like average times to respond to emails and how many emails you get a day. They measure how busy even senior level lawyers are to determine staffing and the metrics are idiotic shit like # of emails or shit like # of sworn docs executed in a month. Its idiocy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338122) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 4:45 PM Author: bespoke temple That sounds pretty annoying. I didn't go to a bank because it felt like I would become a despised control function. Didn't realize it came with additional downsides like metrics.
This actually sounds worse than just billable hours. God damn. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 4:48 PM Author: sick jap corn cake I’ve never heard of anything like this. Would never work that sort of in house job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338164) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:01 PM Author: chartreuse nighttime whorehouse holy shit that is awful (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338209) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:13 PM Author: Slate stage Never heard of that either. Sounds like a great way to cause unnecessary stress. I can see it maybe working with like contract negotiators (even then not sure it works) but not with product attys. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338283) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 7:13 PM Author: Bistre wonderful dopamine office Sounds like OP has a better job than you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338829) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 8:25 PM Author: razzmatazz dysfunction dog poop holy fuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37339198) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 8:53 PM Author: confused vigorous nowag Holy shit, that sounds awful (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37339357) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:32 PM Author: Metal Aphrodisiac Spot so we looked at the data (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37342485) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 4:25 PM Author: indecent piazza sneaky criminal this is a good message for all the strivers on this bort to hear. a lot of them are so money and prestige obsessed that they are focused on the $780k/yr, 45hr/wk in-house gig. once your priorities are set right, you realize that the $425k/yr, 30hr/wk, Th/F WFH gig in a chill college town is really all you need. congrats on giving up the rat race, op. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338094) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 4:31 PM Author: cerise step-uncle's house CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338108) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:11 PM Author: 180 charcoal cumskin trust fund Cr a lesson to us all (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338266) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:22 PM Author: contagious native (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338355) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 7:26 PM Author: Aggressive Roast Beef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338891) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 7:42 PM Author: Maize school circlehead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338956) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 8:25 PM Author: razzmatazz dysfunction dog poop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37339202) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:28 AM Author: Navy jewess french chef U forgot 15% 401k match, 6 weeks vacation, and hot coworkers in their 20s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37341616) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 11:50 AM Author: Bistre wonderful dopamine office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37342190) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 4:31 PM Author: umber trip hissy fit Fuck how does one get one of these (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338107) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 4:44 PM Author: arrogant impressive ticket booth genital piercing If you have a boss you have a daddy. Don’t be a child. It never makes economic sense to have a job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338150) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 4:47 PM Author: sick jap corn cake So my boss who makes $4.5m/year shouldn’t work because the ceo is his boss? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338162) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:10 PM Author: Adulterous beady-eyed theatre brethren he just quoted that from this arrogant millionaire jew ambulance chaser...
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4145121&mc=188&forum_id=2#37320338 |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 8:32 PM Author: Elite regret Very Nutella poast (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37339246) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 4:59 PM Author: bespoke temple lol at this foolishness. If you despise the corporate form and any semblance of politics, you shouldn't be an employee, but there are all sorts of efficiencies associated with a larger organization. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338196) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:09 PM Author: Adulterous beady-eyed theatre brethren thats a quote from a classic ego-driven thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338252) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:43 PM Author: racy liquid oxygen The exception doesn't disprove the rule. There are way more rich self employed bros than super highly paid employees.
Nutella's boss (and Nutella for that matter) are way more uncommon than a self employed bro making seven figures. How many in-house lawyers make 800K vs how many ambulance chasers. There are a ton of guys like me making crazy money working out of a tiny office with like 2 support staff. If you go visit an unscale neighborhood like hidden hills or the oaks in calabasas or even my neighborhood, the majority of the homeowners are self employed. Obviously not all of them, but the majority. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 4:59 PM Author: Cracking hot corner associate lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338197) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:01 PM Author: Opaque coffee pot hell yeah
congrats on the awesome pay |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:03 PM Author: bespoke temple Thanks dawg. Not sure it's awesome pay, but it's more than I need, so I'm good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338221) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:09 PM Author: Swashbuckling Hairy Legs Sandwich CR, he maed it. good job OP. u guys hiring finance/securities bros? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338256) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:15 PM Author: bespoke temple Not sure. Big asset manager. Lots of desire to do deals, so most of the hiring is for transaction oriented roles. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338299) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 8:30 PM Author: Slate stage Open or close architecture? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37339234) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 11:31 AM Author: Swashbuckling Hairy Legs Sandwich if you hear of anything relating to structured products, cap mkts or equipment leasing, HMU at burner thank. current jorb is p gud but i've got concerns about bottom line based on a different line of biz shitting the bed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37342095) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:16 PM Author: Slate stage Congrats, bro. InHouse was one of the best moves I ever made. Can'r imagine ever returning to pvt prac (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338306) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:20 PM Author: bespoke temple Thanks dude. What's your story? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338332) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:34 PM Author: Cruel-hearted multi-colored roommate public bath How did you land it? Client of your old firm? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338428) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 5:35 PM Author: bespoke temple Random recruiter. Checked all boxes for desired experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338433) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 7:52 PM Author: Slate stage Atty in financial sector making a move in a few weeks to another financial firm. The pay is decent for the city (non NYC) and (appears to be) equivalent to your salary given CoL. So congrats. That's huge.
At my current gig, I work at an open office set up and it's ok. I really hatethe lack of rooms/phone booth to take calls. Also ppl can be pretty fucking loud which makes it difficutl to concentrate when reading mind numbing docs. My noise cancellig headphones are amazing.also, lack of privacy sucks. So I can be readinf DailyMail and now have to worry about some sidebar article showing some celeb in skimpy bikinis and getting HR pwnd
New place has an office with a window, which will be a welcomed plus. The office definitely looks more like a law firm than some 21sr century swearshoo. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 8:32 PM Author: bespoke temple Hmm. Mind numbing docs makes it sound like your job is not super interesting? You in legal? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37339247) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 8:38 PM Author: Slate stage Yea, product atty. The product development is interesting, but reviewing some 20 pg data vendor agreement can be painful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37339284) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 8:48 PM Author: bespoke temple I’m dumb— what is a product attorney? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37339335) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 9:38 AM Author: Slate stage An attorney tied to a particular business unit or product that becomes one of the go to attorneys for product development/expansion. So, for example, the business unit I support is expanding into a new country and I am helping it get licensed, set up regulatory/legally, and prepare any related docs, e.g., agreements, etc. If litigation happens related to my line, I become the middle person for that business and our lit attys. Think of it as a mini GC atty for the line. I have a team of attorneys that negotiate contracts, NDAs and they come to me to ask if something is permitted from a legal, product perspective.
"Can client undo x activity with x days notice? Me: No. Because it is an irrevocable commitment in Y jurisdiction. They're pregnant once they do it." |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 11:52 AM Author: sadistic henna lay Lmfao jfc, is this what TMF is bragging about every day? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37342203) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 8:41 PM Author: yapping home What is your comp? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37339297) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 6:32 PM Author: yapping home Sounds 180. Outside of major markets, even lots of GCs are making $200k or less. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338632) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 6:35 PM Author: sadistic henna lay FaceTime policy? Own office? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338644) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 6:54 PM Author: bespoke temple Completely open office. Much less annoying than I imagined, but I’d still prefer an office. Face time doesn’t seem to be important. Boss works from home 1-2x per week, and otherwise shows face between 11 - 1 pm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338754) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 7:03 PM Author: sadistic henna lay Lmao at burying the lede. Jfc at making almost half a mil and sitting in an open office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338791) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 7:10 PM Author: bespoke temple As someone who literally slept in my biglaw office during the middle of the day, I assure you that I know the value of an office. This was one of my biggest concerns when I made the move. Ended up not being nearly as big a deal as I thought it would be. Silver lining is when you see everyone taking off at 5-6 pm, you feel like you should be leaving too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338816) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 7:11 PM Author: yapping home Are you in MFH/SF/LA? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338824) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 7:15 PM Author: bespoke temple Yeah dawg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338836) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 7:18 PM Author: sadistic henna lay Lmao
This all sounds way less appealing now that we know you have to smell shrew farts all day in an open office, then step on needles getting home to your Daly City shitbox |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 7:44 PM Author: yapping home This level of comp is really rare outside of those markets and maybe Chicago and Houston. I'm in a large metro area that isn't one of those and in-house roles over $200k are pretty few and far between. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338963) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 7:55 PM Author: sadistic henna lay Fair (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37339017) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 8:12 PM Author: bespoke temple Live in burbs. Commute isn’t great, but better than it used to be, and actually very clean and pleasant environment. Would be shorter commute if I weren’t saving 50% of income.
Honestly, with the benefit of hindsight, office vs open floor is significantly less important than other things.
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 7:03 PM Author: Provocative Cheese-eating Site In my practice area in-house pay is like 200k all-in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338790) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 7:11 PM Author: bespoke temple Not with 7 years of experience. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338819) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 9:39 PM Author: Nubile Comical Set Yes with 7 years experience. I'm about to take 150k in-house after 7 years, but I'm a litmo and have to take what I can get. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37339749) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 7:19 PM Author: Cream charismatic hospital Link to original thread where you considered the move? What location and industry? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37338859) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 7:21 PM Author: Flickering marvelous national mother Tax bro here so this thread is highly relevant to my interests. Many congrats brother.
Have some questions. Please answer what you think are the least doobsiest:
-market (Bay Area/nyc/Chicago)
-any sort of specialty to speak of (international, private equity, m&a (you mentioned spins))
-were you recruited by big 4
-size of new employer
-whether you’re in legal at your new employer or tax |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 8:23 PM Author: bespoke temple Chicago > NYC > Bay Area from my perspective.
M&A/P&E/ very good for exit ops
Got a few calls from big 4 but doesn’t make sense for most big lawyers who have a decent chance of making partner at a firm. Money not as good, hours just as bad.
New employer is a big asset manager. Tax treated as key part of getting deals done.
I’m in tax, and I work on transactions. Wouldn’t want to do legal. Tax is more connected to economics, which makes it more fun. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 8:37 PM Author: sadistic henna lay What’s the difference? You do more accounting? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37339276) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 8:46 PM Author: bespoke temple Not personally, but we are involved in structuring and helping business settle on appropriate tax rates for pricing models/exit plans. Legal obviously plays big and very important role in executing transaction, but it’s different — more about allocation of latent risks and broader diligence issues — and doesn’t interact with the business teams in quite the same way.
I imagine legal can be really fun for the right person/company, but tax seems more interesting to me at mid-career level of seniority.
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:48 PM Author: sick jap corn cake I work at a small asset manager (under $100b aum) but we only invest money. No deals. I can tell you if you want your own office and more money down the line, best to move in house at a mid size or small asset manager where you can get equity and overall back office overhead costs are lower so more bonus money to go around for you. But you’d also have to move out of tax and do more general legal work. A Blackrock or oaktree will never pay as well as an artisan partners or canyon partners, for example. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37342601) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 3:35 PM Author: geriatric laser beams you mean JUST LIKE YOU DID? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37343590) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 8:57 PM Author: apoplectic embarrassed to the bone location ceo nice, I wrangled a $100k less but completely agree on the lifestyle improvement (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37339396) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 9:01 PM Author: bespoke temple Good deal, dude. Time savings is much more important than specific comp. difference between having no life (biglaw) and having one (in-house) is huge. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37339429) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2018 9:03 PM Author: apoplectic embarrassed to the bone location ceo yes, left almost 4 years ago. went from suicidal to happy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37339441) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2018 12:10 PM Author: Dashing depressive Congrats bro, you maed it! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4147388&forum_id=2#37342329) |