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Is the Coronavirus as Deadly as They Say? Current estimates...
mustard business firm
  03/24/20
we here on xo already did this analysis and came with the co...
Flatulent bistre locus keepsake machete
  03/24/20
Antibody testing of representative samples to measure diseas...
Buck-toothed stubborn parlor
  03/24/20
if it turns out the fatality rate is similar to the flu, som...
Haunting heaven nowag
  03/24/20
It’s preposterous that this has not been done.
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mustard business firm
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disgusting rigor
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Red national
  03/24/20
It's the tax payer that will pay (i.e., all of us). Always.
Curious Senate Community Account
  03/24/20
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Maroon love of her life
  03/25/20
Spoiler: it is
Histrionic drab public bath
  03/25/20
fraudvirus is fraud
obsidian federal temple
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mustard business firm
  03/25/20
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Flatulent bistre locus keepsake machete
  03/25/20
bump next week when NYC is in flames
Bateful ebony trailer park
  03/24/20
This is known as a win-win.
Frozen milk tanning salon
  03/25/20
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garnet concupiscible water buffalo roommate
  03/25/20
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disgusting rigor
  03/24/20
(((Eran Bendavid)))
amber toaster principal's office
  03/24/20
leave it to jews and indians to talk some sense into hysteri...
Red national
  03/24/20
Good thing NY is basically discontinuing testing. That will ...
Hairraiser potus hunting ground
  03/24/20
"In Iceland, deCode Genetics is working with the govern...
cheese-eating locale mood
  03/24/20
Sounds normal to me. You think only 12% of the country is i...
cobalt double fault
  03/24/20
i have been saying this for days now...but i don't think thi...
Lascivious bull headed therapy range
  03/24/20
Interesting that their number comes out to about 0.06 - that...
Talented Boistinker Native
  03/24/20
!!1
Haunting heaven nowag
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mustard business firm
  03/24/20
it's probably somewhere between .5% and 3% in advanced count...
sooty splenetic hall
  03/24/20
Italy has been coding all dead people with the virus as havi...
Curious Senate Community Account
  03/24/20
in most cases it's probably not a coincidence that they came...
sooty splenetic hall
  03/24/20
Hospital infections are really common. When people are ol...
Curious Senate Community Account
  03/24/20
If you died in a car accident and tested poz, that's marked ...
House-broken Judgmental Mental Disorder School
  03/24/20
They aren't going to test a dead car accident victim for cov...
Hairraiser potus hunting ground
  03/24/20
If you died driving home from your covid swab, yes they'll s...
House-broken Judgmental Mental Disorder School
  03/25/20
LMAO. Sure they will bro
Hairraiser potus hunting ground
  03/25/20
lol
fishy diverse stain
  03/25/20
don't even address south korea's potential cfr of around 1.5...
sooty splenetic hall
  03/24/20
if a boat of all decrepit olds was 1%, the overall rate must...
Haunting heaven nowag
  03/24/20
if it was half that adjusted for age with sufficient care re...
sooty splenetic hall
  03/24/20
what is really important to know is what percentage of INFEC...
Lascivious bull headed therapy range
  03/24/20
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8149447/Diamond-Pri...
sooty splenetic hall
  03/24/20
can we review the cruise ship data? As i recall the averag...
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  03/24/20
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Buck-toothed stubborn parlor
  03/24/20
Johns Hopkins guy on Sam Harris adjusted cruise ship to U.S....
Talented Boistinker Native
  03/24/20
as i've said, that could still result in disaster (hundreds ...
sooty splenetic hall
  03/24/20
this article is arguing that the 20% figure is flame that...
Fiercely-loyal alpha black woman
  03/24/20
how often do so many major cities end up running critically ...
sooty splenetic hall
  03/25/20
Blame private equity ownership. They are not going to spring...
Ivory Mildly Autistic Gaming Laptop
  03/25/20
if iceland which doesn't have as much traffic to china as US...
Fiercely-loyal alpha black woman
  03/24/20
I bet we have caught 1% of covid cases so far.
multi-colored bat shit crazy base
  03/25/20
Even That broad of testing still suffers from selection bias...
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  03/25/20
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Curious Senate Community Account
  03/24/20
Iran supports this as well- they should have hundreds of tho...
Canary nursing home
  03/24/20
solid point
disgusting rigor
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Self-absorbed maniacal liquid oxygen orchestra pit
  03/25/20
fraudvirus is fraud, its obvious to anyone with at least hal...
obsidian federal temple
  03/25/20
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pungent lodge patrolman
  03/25/20
Maybe fraudvirus kills lib brain cells
mustard business firm
  03/25/20
So is the implication basically that massive amounts of peop...
Ivory Mildly Autistic Gaming Laptop
  03/25/20
It’s that there are many, many more people who were/ar...
Buck-toothed stubborn parlor
  03/25/20
yes basically i think the culprit is mostly that it sprea...
Fiercely-loyal alpha black woman
  03/25/20
why is no one doing an antibody sample?
Ivory Mildly Autistic Gaming Laptop
  03/25/20
No reliable test yet
chocolate pit
  03/25/20
That and people can't seem to understand that Italy has a re...
duck-like bbw giraffe
  03/25/20
Another interesting thing is that Milan doesn't have many ca...
bat-shit-crazy pisswyrm messiness
  03/25/20
Yes, in hotspots everyone has it. They have stopped testing ...
multi-colored bat shit crazy base
  03/25/20
What if all the people in the hospital are just fighting the...
Aqua 180 set ceo
  03/25/20
What if...what if...we were the virus all along?
multi-colored bat shit crazy base
  03/25/20
What evidence is there of that?
Ivory Mildly Autistic Gaming Laptop
  03/25/20
the ones in the hospital are likely those who received a hea...
Lascivious bull headed therapy range
  03/25/20
Doesnt it reproduce inside the body
provocative opaque theatre
  03/25/20
of course it does, but it is also clear that the quantity of...
Lascivious bull headed therapy range
  03/25/20
It is far more common to see mutations into less severe stra...
duck-like bbw giraffe
  03/25/20
Bort resident epidemiology experts, your response?
heady home philosopher-king
  03/25/20
That comports with the computer model I linked to a few days...
stirring flesh abode boltzmann
  03/25/20
one of the few reasonable posts you've ever made
obsidian federal temple
  03/25/20
Why were Chinese deaths so concentrated in Wuhan only then, ...
fishy diverse stain
  03/25/20
China was playing lots of games with the numbers. They would...
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fantasy-prone cumskin boiling water
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Nationwide lockdown halted the spread.
bat-shit-crazy pisswyrm messiness
  03/25/20
"Eran Bendavid" "Jay Bhattacharya" and &...
contagious marketing idea
  03/25/20
this is what real Americans want to hear, shitlib
Red national
  03/25/20
no doubt the decades-long propoganda campaign has been remar...
contagious marketing idea
  03/25/20
The crush on hospitals is why this is such a big deal. They ...
chocolate pit
  03/25/20
OP is in day 10 of acute BRUNCH withdrawal and won't listen ...
contagious marketing idea
  03/25/20
Overwhelm the thythtem he lisped
mustard business firm
  03/25/20
Such a lame response.
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  03/25/20
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citrine hairless step-uncle's house son of senegal
  03/25/20
Bump for day crew
Ivory Mildly Autistic Gaming Laptop
  03/25/20
Don't show this to the histrionic poasters here
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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:25 PM
Author: mustard business firm

Is the Coronavirus as Deadly as They Say?

Current estimates about the Covid-19 fatality rate may be too high by orders of magnitude.

By Eran Bendavid and Jay Bhattacharya

March 24, 2020 6:21 pm ET

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A line at an emergency room in Brooklyn, N.Y., March 19.

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If it’s true that the novel coronavirus would kill millions without shelter-in-place orders and quarantines, then the extraordinary measures being carried out in cities and states around the country are surely justified. But there’s little evidence to confirm that premise—and projections of the death toll could plausibly be orders of magnitude too high.

Fear of Covid-19 is based on its high estimated case fatality rate—2% to 4% of people with confirmed Covid-19 have died, according to the World Health Organization and others. So if 100 million Americans ultimately get the disease, two million to four million could die. We believe that estimate is deeply flawed. The true fatality rate is the portion of those infected who die, not the deaths from identified positive cases.

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The latter rate is misleading because of selection bias in testing. The degree of bias is uncertain because available data are limited. But it could make the difference between an epidemic that kills 20,000 and one that kills two million. If the number of actual infections is much larger than the number of cases—orders of magnitude larger—then the true fatality rate is much lower as well. That’s not only plausible but likely based on what we know so far.

Population samples from China, Italy, Iceland and the U.S. provide relevant evidence. On or around Jan. 31, countries sent planes to evacuate citizens from Wuhan, China. When those planes landed, the passengers were tested for Covid-19 and quarantined. After 14 days, the percentage who tested positive was 0.9%. If this was the prevalence in the greater Wuhan area on Jan. 31, then, with a population of about 20 million, greater Wuhan had 178,000 infections, about 30-fold more than the number of reported cases. The fatality rate, then, would be at least 10-fold lower than estimates based on reported cases.

Next, the northeastern Italian town of Vò, near the provincial capital of Padua. On March 6, all 3,300 people of Vò were tested, and 90 were positive, a prevalence of 2.7%. Applying that prevalence to the whole province (population 955,000), which had 198 reported cases, suggests there were actually 26,000 infections at that time. That’s more than 130-fold the number of actual reported cases. Since Italy’s case fatality rate of 8% is estimated using the confirmed cases, the real fatality rate could in fact be closer to 0.06%.

In Iceland, deCode Genetics is working with the government to perform widespread testing. In a sample of nearly 2,000 entirely asymptomatic people, researchers estimated disease prevalence of just over 1%. Iceland’s first case was reported on Feb. 28, weeks behind the U.S. It’s plausible that the proportion of the U.S. population that has been infected is double, triple or even 10 times as high as the estimates from Iceland. That also implies a dramatically lower fatality rate.

The best (albeit very weak) evidence in the U.S. comes from the National Basketball Association. Between March 11 and 19, a substantial number of NBA players and teams received testing. By March 19, 10 out of 450 rostered players were positive. Since not everyone was tested, that represents a lower bound on the prevalence of 2.2%. The NBA isn’t a representative population, and contact among players might have facilitated transmission. But if we extend that lower-bound assumption to cities with NBA teams (population 45 million), we get at least 990,000 infections in the U.S. The number of cases reported on March 19 in the U.S. was 13,677, more than 72-fold lower. These numbers imply a fatality rate from Covid-19 orders of magnitude smaller than it appears.

How can we reconcile these estimates with the epidemiological models? First, the test used to identify cases doesn’t catch people who were infected and recovered. Second, testing rates were woefully low for a long time and typically reserved for the severely ill. Together, these facts imply that the confirmed cases are likely orders of magnitude less than the true number of infections. Epidemiological modelers haven’t adequately adapted their estimates to account for these factors.

The epidemic started in China sometime in November or December. The first confirmed U.S. cases included a person who traveled from Wuhan on Jan. 15, and it is likely that the virus entered before that: Tens of thousands of people traveled from Wuhan to the U.S. in December. Existing evidence suggests that the virus is highly transmissible and that the number of infections doubles roughly every three days. An epidemic seed on Jan. 1 implies that by March 9 about six million people in the U.S. would have been infected. As of March 23, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there were 499 Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. If our surmise of six million cases is accurate, that’s a mortality rate of 0.01%, assuming a two week lag between infection and death. This is one-tenth of the flu mortality rate of 0.1%. Such a low death rate would be cause for optimism.

This does not make Covid-19 a nonissue. The daily reports from Italy and across the U.S. show real struggles and overwhelmed health systems. But a 20,000- or 40,000-death epidemic is a far less severe problem than one that kills two million. Given the enormous consequences of decisions around Covid-19 response, getting clear data to guide decisions now is critical. We don’t know the true infection rate in the U.S. Antibody testing of representative samples to measure disease prevalence (including the recovered) is crucial. Nearly every day a new lab gets approval for antibody testing, so population testing using this technology is now feasible.

If we’re right about the limited scale of the epidemic, then measures focused on older populations and hospitals are sensible. Elective procedures will need to be rescheduled. Hospital resources will need to be reallocated to care for critically ill patients. Triage will need to improve. And policy makers will need to focus on reducing risks for older adults and people with underlying medical conditions.

A universal quarantine may not be worth the costs it imposes on the economy, community and individual mental and physical health. We should undertake immediate steps to evaluate the empirical basis of the current lockdowns.

Dr. Bendavid and Dr. Bhattacharya are professors of medicine at Stanford. Neeraj Sood contributed to this article

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856493)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:30 PM
Author: Flatulent bistre locus keepsake machete

we here on xo already did this analysis and came with the conclusion a long time ago.

heck, trump already knows all this. not to mention there is a cure already in sight, it just has to be approved and shipped.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856523)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:34 PM
Author: Buck-toothed stubborn parlor

Antibody testing of representative samples to measure disease prevalence (including the recovered) is crucial.

NO SHIT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856546)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:35 PM
Author: Haunting heaven nowag

if it turns out the fatality rate is similar to the flu, someone must pay. dearly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856561)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:38 PM
Author: Buck-toothed stubborn parlor

It’s preposterous that this has not been done.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856583)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:39 PM
Author: mustard business firm



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:45 PM
Author: disgusting rigor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856625)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:49 PM
Author: Red national



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:52 PM
Author: Curious Senate Community Account

It's the tax payer that will pay (i.e., all of us). Always.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856679)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 4:23 AM
Author: Maroon love of her life



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Date: March 25th, 2020 12:17 AM
Author: Histrionic drab public bath

Spoiler: it is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856885)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 12:08 AM
Author: obsidian federal temple

fraudvirus is fraud

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856807)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 12:14 AM
Author: mustard business firm



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Date: March 25th, 2020 12:23 AM
Author: Flatulent bistre locus keepsake machete



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856910)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:32 PM
Author: Bateful ebony trailer park

bump next week when NYC is in flames

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856535)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 7:43 PM
Author: Frozen milk tanning salon

This is known as a win-win.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39863293)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 10:45 PM
Author: garnet concupiscible water buffalo roommate



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:33 PM
Author: disgusting rigor



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:33 PM
Author: amber toaster principal's office

(((Eran Bendavid)))

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856541)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:39 PM
Author: Red national

leave it to jews and indians to talk some sense into hysterical goys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856594)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:35 PM
Author: Hairraiser potus hunting ground

Good thing NY is basically discontinuing testing. That will really clear things up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856558)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:35 PM
Author: cheese-eating locale mood

"In Iceland, deCode Genetics is working with the government to perform widespread testing. In a sample of nearly 2,000 entirely asymptomatic people, researchers estimated disease prevalence of just over 1%. Iceland’s first case was reported on Feb. 28"

JFC, in less than a month 1% of the entire country was infected.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856560)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:48 PM
Author: cobalt double fault

Sounds normal to me. You think only 12% of the country is infected with flu ever year?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856650)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:36 PM
Author: Lascivious bull headed therapy range

i have been saying this for days now...but i don't think this message is going to get out to the general public any time soon...for one, the media is driven by web algorithms to a great extent...so the public interest is going to push the story...and this idea of infection rates being much higher is a little too complex for the media to give much attention to...too complex for the lowest common denominator media approach...

plus, the Dems are going to push the story because it helps them...and the media will go along to some extent...

but I LOVE the stock market crash, and I LOVE the fulltime telework, so I hope the scary, but likely false, propaganda keeps getting pushed....



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856565)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:37 PM
Author: Talented Boistinker Native

Interesting that their number comes out to about 0.06 - that's exactly what the guy at Johns Hopkins came up with after analyzing the cruise ship data.

It's almost like that's a better number than using the sample of 70 year old people showing up at the er coughing up blood.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856569)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:39 PM
Author: Haunting heaven nowag

!!1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856592)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:40 PM
Author: mustard business firm



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:41 PM
Author: sooty splenetic hall

it's probably somewhere between .5% and 3% in advanced countries with sufficient care resources. the problem is that even if the cfr is around .5% in those circumstances, it can be driven much much higher if there aren't sufficient care resources. that's why italy has been a disaster, and we might well see the same very very soon in spain and certain cities in the us soon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856604)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:43 PM
Author: Curious Senate Community Account

Italy has been coding all dead people with the virus as having died from it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856615)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:46 PM
Author: sooty splenetic hall

in most cases it's probably not a coincidence that they came down dead after catching the virus.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856628)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:51 PM
Author: Curious Senate Community Account

Hospital infections are really common.

When people are old and immunocompromised, it's easier for them to catch anything.

This was posted earlier, quoting an advisor to italys minister of health.

www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/amp/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856674)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:51 PM
Author: House-broken Judgmental Mental Disorder School

If you died in a car accident and tested poz, that's marked as a covid death. Ditto olds with stage 4 cancer already on palliative care. It's incidental, complete flame. Performance art by the elites to laugh at the goyim scurrying while they watch from their bunkers in NZ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856678)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:58 PM
Author: Hairraiser potus hunting ground

They aren't going to test a dead car accident victim for covid

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856715)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 12:00 AM
Author: House-broken Judgmental Mental Disorder School

If you died driving home from your covid swab, yes they'll still run it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856730)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 12:08 AM
Author: Hairraiser potus hunting ground

LMAO. Sure they will bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856804)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 12:54 AM
Author: fishy diverse stain

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39857094)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:37 PM
Author: sooty splenetic hall

don't even address south korea's potential cfr of around 1.5% or the cfr of about 1% on the cruise ship where there was widespread testing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856576)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:38 PM
Author: Haunting heaven nowag

if a boat of all decrepit olds was 1%, the overall rate must far lower

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856582)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:44 PM
Author: sooty splenetic hall

if it was half that adjusted for age with sufficient care resources, it could be a very big problem without sufficient care resources. just going from memory, but the infection rate was huge, as was the rate of infect persons who needed some kind of intensive care.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856618)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:47 PM
Author: Lascivious bull headed therapy range

what is really important to know is what percentage of INFECTED were sick enough to need to seek care...that is what I want to know...and to really start on that analysis we need to know what % of the population is infected to start with...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856646)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:53 PM
Author: sooty splenetic hall

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8149447/Diamond-Princess-cruise-ship-passengers-crew-coronavirus-asymptomatic.html

about 10% it looks like. given how readily the illness spreads absent controls, and limitations on medical resources at any given time, i think you can see how that could easily become a big problem right.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856690)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:39 PM
Author: Lascivious bull headed therapy range

can we review the cruise ship data?

As i recall the average age of the passengers was really high

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856590)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:42 PM
Author: Buck-toothed stubborn parlor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856610)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:47 PM
Author: Talented Boistinker Native

Johns Hopkins guy on Sam Harris adjusted cruise ship to U.S. population and said it would be something between like 0.05 and 0.6

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856639)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:50 PM
Author: sooty splenetic hall

as i've said, that could still result in disaster (hundreds of thousands or millions dead) if we're not able to provide adequate care based on individual patient need. if memory serves, like 20% of the ill required some kind of intensive care. so what happens if half the country catches this over the next few months?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856668)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:56 PM
Author: Fiercely-loyal alpha black woman

this article is arguing that the 20% figure is flame

thats the crux of the whole article

if you assume 20% of infected require some kind of hospitalization then we need to shut down for a couple of months

but the article is showing that real number of infections is like 60x of confirmed cases in which hospitalization rate is only 1% and can be easily handled except for hotspots like NYC.

basically it all comes down to this. we have 55K confirmed cases. how many were totally infected? MSM hysteria assumes only around 400K~600K were infected. this guys is saying its like 4M~6M already

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856701)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 12:02 AM
Author: sooty splenetic hall

how often do so many major cities end up running critically low on care resources at the same time? part of the problem presumably is that we often just don't have that much excess slack. but we've had cities that are already overrun, or appear to be on the verge of it. in just the us, we've already heard what seem to be credible reports that we're on the verge of trouble in places like nyc and detroit and new orleans.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856755)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 12:19 AM
Author: Ivory Mildly Autistic Gaming Laptop

Blame private equity ownership. They are not going to spring for the costs of keeping tons of emergency supplies on hand

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856893)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:48 PM
Author: Fiercely-loyal alpha black woman

if iceland which doesn't have as much traffic to china as US had 1% of the population infected by end of feb we should be at around 2% by now easy in late march. lot more seeding due to yuge number of chinese travellers in dec/jan and our first case was detected much earlier than iceland

being very conservative and assuming we have captured only 25% of covid deaths by now (maybe lot covid deaths of old ppl in jan/early feb were never tested for covid and thought of as regular flu???)

so roughly 7M cases and 3500 deaths by very conservative estimate gives us 0.05% mortality rate

iceland study is very interesting. wonder if that holds true for US

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856651)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 12:35 AM
Author: multi-colored bat shit crazy base

I bet we have caught 1% of covid cases so far.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856989)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 7:38 PM
Author: duck-like bbw giraffe

Even That broad of testing still suffers from selection bias, and crude / naive CFR calculations are always biased upwards in that regard.

eg https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0822-7

Because both of your examples are extremely consistent with the lower estimates of eg 0.5-0.8% - in SK, yes they did widespread testing but there's still selection bias, ie the selection mechanism into getting tested is based on more severe cases / symptoms, - because if you're completely asymptomatic or very mild symptoms, you don't have an incentive to go get medical help like you do if you're very severe, so the testing , although much more widespread and so lower than the 3% cfr elsewhere, is still missing asymptomatic / very mild cases.

The diamond princess cruise ship - ~1% sCFR , is actually cause for optimism, because this group of people skews so overwhelmingly older on the ship, 1% is less than the estimates for CFR of eg 65+ of something like 1.4% in that paper I linked above.

All of those examples we see observationally are still biasing the CFR upwards whether due to age group of selection into testing, see eg the paper linked above or

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39863259)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:41 PM
Author: Curious Senate Community Account



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856603)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:44 PM
Author: Canary nursing home

Iran supports this as well- they should have hundreds of thousands of dead by now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856621)



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Date: March 24th, 2020 11:46 PM
Author: disgusting rigor

solid point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856629)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 12:02 AM
Author: Self-absorbed maniacal liquid oxygen orchestra pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856746)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 12:04 AM
Author: obsidian federal temple

fraudvirus is fraud, its obvious to anyone with at least half a braincell. which is apparently very few people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856770)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 12:15 AM
Author: pungent lodge patrolman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856865)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 12:16 AM
Author: mustard business firm

Maybe fraudvirus kills lib brain cells

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856877)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 12:17 AM
Author: Ivory Mildly Autistic Gaming Laptop

So is the implication basically that massive amounts of people in Italy

have it and the mass deaths are solely due to hospital overcrowded ness and not disease potency?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856882)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 12:26 AM
Author: Buck-toothed stubborn parlor

It’s that there are many, many more people who were/are infected so the denominator is much larger. Layered onto the other issues they have, one of which is capacity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856938)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 12:32 AM
Author: Fiercely-loyal alpha black woman

yes basically

i think the culprit is mostly that it spread much much faster in northern italy than anywhere except maybe wuhan or NYC. basically they have an outlier R0 due to large chinese population, social customs like hugging/kissing, multiple generations living together

so R0 of italy is like 4 or 5 vs 2 everywhere. this overwhelmed their hospital capacity plus their older smoking demographic has lead to 8% death rate among confirmed cases

i wont be shocked if like 20% of population of northern italy has already been infected. NYC is heading that way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856966)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 12:45 AM
Author: Ivory Mildly Autistic Gaming Laptop

why is no one doing an antibody sample?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39857046)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 6:00 AM
Author: chocolate pit

No reliable test yet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39857704)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 7:35 PM
Author: duck-like bbw giraffe

That and people can't seem to understand that Italy has a relatively large sick and dying population anyways, and even in terms of absolute deaths, it's only so overwhelming because the media is cataloguing it in such painstaking detail, when thousands of deaths could've just as easily gone unnoticed there or been attributed to bad flu season etc.

I'll try to dig it up, I saw someone on twitter post an analysis of the time series of deaths in Italy every March, and as we know an overwhelming proportion of those deaths are people with comorbidities and 80+ (literally only 3 people, 0.8%, in the study linked on bloomberg had no previous disease ,

"Almost half of the victims suffered from at least three prior illnesses and about a fourth had either one or two previous conditions.

More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease.")

And this analysis (i'll try to find it again) showed that Italy's deaths for March really aren't anomalous , which is a suggestion that maybe it's just moving cause of death from column A to column B, consistent with recent prevalence estimates and other analyses about how hospitals are huge vectors for these infections...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39863244)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 8:02 PM
Author: bat-shit-crazy pisswyrm messiness

Another interesting thing is that Milan doesn't have many cases. The precise hotspot is a bunch of towns in eastern Lombardy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39863395)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 12:33 AM
Author: multi-colored bat shit crazy base

Yes, in hotspots everyone has it. They have stopped testing in Wuhan. It probably just needs to run its course.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39856977)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 12:38 AM
Author: Aqua 180 set ceo

What if all the people in the hospital are just fighting the virus the third, fourth or fifth times and it keeps coming back stronger?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39857007)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 12:41 AM
Author: multi-colored bat shit crazy base

What if...what if...we were the virus all along?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39857029)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 12:43 AM
Author: Ivory Mildly Autistic Gaming Laptop

What evidence is there of that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39857036)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 1:27 AM
Author: Lascivious bull headed therapy range

the ones in the hospital are likely those who received a heavy viral load...that's why washing hands and not touching your face is important...you may very well get the virus anyway, but as long as you wash your hands a lot and not touch your mucus membranes, the viral load will be light, meaning you don't get a bad case of it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39857265)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 4:21 AM
Author: provocative opaque theatre

Doesnt it reproduce inside the body

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39857622)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 7:27 AM
Author: Lascivious bull headed therapy range

of course it does, but it is also clear that the quantity of the exposure matters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39857800)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 7:38 PM
Author: duck-like bbw giraffe

It is far more common to see mutations into less severe strains than more severe.....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39863257)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 12:45 AM
Author: heady home philosopher-king

Bort resident epidemiology experts, your response?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39857047)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 1:02 AM
Author: stirring flesh abode boltzmann

That comports with the computer model I linked to a few days ago. 86% of Chinese cases went undetected. So fatality and hospitalization rates were actually 10x lower. When China got better with testing their detection rate went up to about 60%+ but they missed so many mild cases, especially early on, that they never had a complete picture of the total number of cases. It is still a serious and unique challenge but we are definitely acting blind in this.

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4479648&mc=53&forum_id=2#top

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39857144)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 1:03 AM
Author: obsidian federal temple

one of the few reasonable posts you've ever made

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39857148)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 2:44 AM
Author: fishy diverse stain

Why were Chinese deaths so concentrated in Wuhan only then, if it actually spread widely all over? Same for Lombardy in Italy, NYC in US. Something real is happening in those places that doesn’t seem to be happening in the rest of their respective countries.

The China numbers really make no sense to me. How did it create so much localized death and destruction, and then just stop spreading almost completely?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39857465)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 6:18 AM
Author: Crimson bearded indian lodge faggotry

China was playing lots of games with the numbers. They would only test people in other provinces if they had confirmed contact with a sick person from Wuhan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39857719)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 7:39 PM
Author: fantasy-prone cumskin boiling water



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39863261)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 8:05 PM
Author: bat-shit-crazy pisswyrm messiness

Nationwide lockdown halted the spread.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39863417)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 5:58 AM
Author: contagious marketing idea

"Eran Bendavid" "Jay Bhattacharya" and "Neeraj Sood" telling Americans not to worry about their health and GET BACK TO WORK

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39857701)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 6:56 AM
Author: Red national

this is what real Americans want to hear, shitlib

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39857758)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 7:14 AM
Author: contagious marketing idea

no doubt the decades-long propoganda campaign has been remarkably successful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39857773)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 6:04 AM
Author: chocolate pit

The crush on hospitals is why this is such a big deal. They aren’t full of hysterical hypochondriacs either. These are very sick and dying people entering hospitals that don’t even have the equipment to treat everyone properly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39857709)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 6:38 AM
Author: contagious marketing idea

OP is in day 10 of acute BRUNCH withdrawal and won't listen to reason

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39857734)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 10:13 AM
Author: mustard business firm

Overwhelm the thythtem he lisped

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39858629)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 10:40 PM
Author: chocolate pit

Such a lame response.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39864423)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 7:33 AM
Author: citrine hairless step-uncle's house son of senegal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39857825)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 9:38 AM
Author: Ivory Mildly Autistic Gaming Laptop

Bump for day crew

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39858352)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 8:17 PM
Author: heady home philosopher-king

Don't show this to the histrionic poasters here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39863484)



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Date: March 25th, 2020 10:35 PM
Author: obsidian federal temple



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39864389)



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Date: March 26th, 2020 11:07 AM
Author: mustard business firm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4486572&forum_id=2#39867313)