Reminder: the United States has nothing to be ashamed of
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Date: July 2nd, 2020 9:43 AM Author: Out-of-control Shitlib
This is the freest and most just nation on Earth. Nowhere in the world are the poor or mal-adapted treated better and nowhere on Earth do normal people have more opportunity to live a happy life. Nowhere on Earth can small business thrive like it does here.
Our history is something to be proud of, as we have generally not fought wars of conquest and we never became an Empire, we fought wars to either protect ourselves or our ideals.
Feel pride when you see that flag this weekend, this is the greatest country on Earth.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40533807) |
Date: July 2nd, 2020 9:45 AM Author: Cocky thriller people who are hurt point
“ as we have generally not fought wars of conquest and we never became an Empire, we fought wars to either protect ourselves or our ideals.”
This is just delusional sorry
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40533821) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2020 10:58 AM Author: Coiffed Flushed Plaza
"I also think that we're seeing the end of US Neocon foreign policy"
Not yet. Trump was against it which is why we're seeing a break from it. If HRC was POTUS we would have had plenty of wars. But for it to truly end the US is going to need a disaster. But I think that is actually coming.
"there is nothing to say that the US ceasing to be World Police is going to usher in an era of world peace"
Of course not. I don't think anyone is claiming this.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40534220) |
Date: July 2nd, 2020 9:55 AM Author: racy national
1. why so defensive? celebrate america because it is OURS, not because it is 'great'. i don't give a shit if america is 'raciss'
2. "we have generally not fought wars of conquest and we never became an Empire, we fought wars to either protect ourselves or our ideals."
this is literally 2nd-grade level naive
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40533866) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2020 10:30 AM Author: Out-of-control Shitlib
Free your mind from mental slavery. The US fought wars to exist, including wars to establish territorial boundaries. This is a pretext to having a nation. All nations, at some point, had to establish themselves. When I say "as a nation we should be proud," that means that we are "a nation."
I don't love Neocon foreign policy but the time since WWII has been the most peaceful time western nations have ever seen in recorded history and it was US leadership that ushered, and preserved, this peace.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40534031)
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Date: July 2nd, 2020 10:36 AM Author: Coiffed Flushed Plaza
I would argue that you're far more in a "mental slavery" mindset than I am. I see things for what they are instead of trying to shoehorn everything into "good guys" and "bad guys."
The US didn't merely "fight wars to exist." The US fought wars for expansion, for power, for influence, for resources, etc. Same as all the other great powers. Yes, that's how you become a great power but there's no need to pretend that the US was somehow different here just because we never got into African colonialism (except for Liberia, now that I think about it).
"I don't love Neocon foreign policy but the time since WWII has been the most peaceful time western nations have ever seen in recorded history and it was US leadership that ushered, and preserved, this peace."
Yeah, not sure that is really "US leadership" so much as MAD created by all the major powers having nuclear weapons + widely available birth control leading to people having only 1-2 kids in the US, the USSR, China and Europe. But for that, I don't think there's any doubt we would have had WW3 between the Communist powers and the West.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40534071) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2020 5:43 PM Author: jade wrinkle
There was a quote from Tojo or someone in japanese high command when they were debating Pearl Harbor - that's on record saying something like: the u.s. won't do anything if we bomb pearl harbor, any nation that just sits there while its closest ally (britain) burns doesn't have the will to fight.....
Also people forget what pieces of shit the Japanese were during this time period - the war they waged was overwhelmingly against civilians. Current numbers are something like ~15 million chinese they genocided.....
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40542658) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2020 5:53 PM Author: motley preventive strike cruise ship
lol
Date: July 3rd, 2020 5:51 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;.(🦈)
Yep. Also, in general, I will say that WW2 has to be the clearest "good guys vs bad guys" war you can possibly imagine. Germany and Japan were comic book villain levels of evil.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=#)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40542708) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2020 6:08 PM Author: jade wrinkle
Not sure what's the dispute here - if you're implying yeah we just cleared europe of hitler only to hand it over to stalin, then fine exclude the soviet union
But in terms of moral culpability, ww2 stands out in ways that are very unique in this regard to other major wars (ww2's contemporaries). Eg the losing side killed the most people, something like ~80% of deaths, overwhelmingly civilians. The u.s., britain, and soviet union were allies in that they were all attacked by german / japanese aggression. (again soviets were collaborators so they gunk stuff up). The ruthless efficiency of the concentration camps and the behavior of the japanese army (mass genocide, sexual enslavement etc) was a stark contrast to the behavior of the western democracies...
If you're just throwing the soviet union like a hot potato on the ally side and saying "lol none of that applies" you're being disingenuous - any halfway sober analysis of the war will produce far more clear moral boundaries than in most wars, which was all his point was
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40542783) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2020 5:29 PM Author: jade wrinkle
When the war was basically over? how was it basically over? Effectively over is not the same thing as close to surrendering.... And the various methods to bring that about were not all equally efficient.
They were finding dudes in the jungles into the 60s and 70s still fighting WW2 for the emperor.... Hiroo Onoda being the most famous case in '72 I believe. The point being - even after the first two nukes there was internal division / very powerful factions opposing the Emperor that didn't want to surrender - Tojo himself for starters.
What counterfactual scenarios are you imagining in place of delivering the two atomic bombs?
Curtis LeMay was going to park almost our entire fleet of B-29s off the Marianas and run round the clock fire bombings of Japan.
Also lest we forget - Japan was genociding ~20,000 Chinese, Laotian, Vietnamese, etc per week at that point. The numbers keep getting revised upwards every decade or so but latest is something like 15 million civilians killed by Japan.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40542601)
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Date: July 2nd, 2020 10:56 AM Author: Coiffed Flushed Plaza
There are many ways to look at the Cold War and I don't think the perspective of "this was a way to expand power and influence" is necessarily wrong.
"looking at the state of radical leftism, they don't seem very defeated"
I really do agree with the people saying that this is actually the offspring of an old KGB program from the 1960s.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40534204) |
Date: July 2nd, 2020 10:40 AM Author: motley preventive strike cruise ship
"This is the freest and most just nation on Earth. Nowhere in the world are the poor or mal-adapted treated better and nowhere on Earth do normal people have more opportunity to live a happy life."
LOL, I want the best for America because it is my country, bro, but if you believe this you haven't really been to many other countries. LJL at this Hannity-level dreck.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40534100) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2020 6:24 PM Author: Costumed death wish
Ok so basically only white countries and tiny 1-offs that would be invaded and destroyed if the US didn’t enforce global boundaries.
So the US is hands down the best place to be a poor minority. Now apologize to MW.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40542864) |
Date: July 2nd, 2020 10:41 AM Author: Provocative Cerise Lettuce Corn Cake
Among the nations who built empires, we are by far the most decent and humane. Yes, we should be proud because ameirca is ours. We should also have pride in our history and what we accomplished.
Edit: i will add the brits did ok too. But we are an extension of their history to some degree, even on 4th of july. Read up some time on how the dutch and the spanish ran their colonies.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40534107) |
Date: July 2nd, 2020 10:41 AM Author: Electric fear-inspiring haunted graveyard bawdyhouse
You think we didn’t become or act like an empire ?
Lmao. You gotta learn history man. I love America too, but crack a book.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40534109) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2020 2:49 PM Author: Electric fear-inspiring haunted graveyard bawdyhouse
"restraint"
*builds 22,000 nuclear warheads*
*uses CIA/military to attempt to topple every anti-US gov't in world*
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40535771) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2020 3:15 PM Author: misanthropic arousing yarmulke twinkling uncleanness
lol, we still have troops occupying Germany and Japan even now, 75 years after the end of the war.
Bases all over the world, way beyond what even the British were able to do.
Just because we (and the Soviets) figured out it made more sense to have client states than officially draw "empire" lines on a map...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40535994) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2020 3:38 PM Author: Coiffed Flushed Plaza
"Of it's imperial behavior, making the US an empire, then that applied to most European countries as well, and asian and Latin American."
Of course.
"France and England were once empires but no one would call them empires today, yet they both had military bases in other continents."
No one would call them empires today because their power has declined massively and they lost the overwhelming majority of their overseas holdings. The US is an empire because our power and scope is truly global, and it is exercised to control nations and governments around the world. Governments that are vulnerable and problematic to the US get overthrown. We usually offer some sort of pretense that may or may not end up total BS ("there are WMDs in Iraq!" "we have to overthrow the Libyan government so Libya is peaceful!"). But all empires do this shit.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40536158) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2020 10:53 PM Author: jade wrinkle
Yeah I think this is right - it has more to do with the timing of our rise than some special moral fortitude that's both uniquely american and non-european...
I.e. America's true might and influence came of age in a postwar world where that way of doing business was no longer acceptable - for a variety of reasons but probably most significantly the change in global media / importance of global public opinion, and especially after millions of lives were sacrificed fighting against Japanese imperialism and German fascism, i.e. fighting for the freedom of others.... we weren't about to turn around and start colonizing territories in such postwar environment.
But make no mistake - America has a global economic empire that wields incredible influence and power with all its might, just in a modern sophisticated manner rather than African colonial holdings....
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40544116) |
Date: July 2nd, 2020 1:31 PM Author: geriatric wonderful sound barrier
OP is just a hysterical baby that SC lost some statues of people that weren't good at their jobs
He probably wants a statue for Stephen Garcia too
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40535203) |
Date: July 2nd, 2020 1:54 PM Author: motley preventive strike cruise ship
"Our history is something to be proud of, as we have generally not fought wars of conquest and we never became an Empire, we fought wars to either protect ourselves or our ideals."
Hmmm..
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40535361) |
Date: July 2nd, 2020 2:38 PM Author: Heady Hilarious Ticket Booth Faggotry
1. As many in this thread have already pointed out, there are quite a few first world countries where life is better for ordinary middle and working class people. I have family in France, Germany, and Italy and can attest to that. Some of them live in rural places with no real industry or commerce but still enjoy a quality of life that is easily on par with or better than the American middle class. Their equivalents in the US live in rural shitholds that the US has long abandoned. Abandoning entire communities is a US trademark not typical of other first word countries.
2. The US is a more benevolent power than past empires. I do think the US catches more shit than it deserves in this regard.
3. American style capitalism (boot-straps and the American Dream (TM)) may have worked fairly well in the past but it’s failing in the face of a modern economy that exacerbates the income and wealth inequality problem that is inherent in the system. Young people are far less patriotic and more likely to embrace alternative ideologies as it becomes more obvious that they will, in the aggregate, be worse off than prior generations.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40535678) |
Date: July 2nd, 2020 2:49 PM Author: Cerebral mexican
Comments pointing out that poor people in monoethnic nordic states have it better are dumb. They are 5 million people, oil rich, and entirely homogeneous.
And Germany and France and most of Europe have much stricter immigration requirements so they don't have the same level of poor to begin with.
Then you have other countries like Japan that don't even allow immigration in the first place much less from poor people, and others like Australia where it's also difficult to immigrate.
The US is basically open borders, or was before 6 months ago, and the people who come here are poor. Even legal immigration is chain migration, not that of Canada or other euro countries based on merit.
OP is right but it's not even a fair comparison to begin with, because the other countries dont take the truly poor to begin with, and we do, in enormous, demographically changing, legal and illegal, numbers.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40535768) |
Date: July 2nd, 2020 3:24 PM Author: Marvelous Whorehouse Athletic Conference
We’re fat af and don’t give a shit. People are too fat for sex or basic functions. Lol.
One of the worst countries in the world
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40536065) |
Date: July 2nd, 2020 9:10 PM Author: useless dopamine
Libs would prefer Iran or China now flame
They’re mentally ill
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40537981) |
Date: July 2nd, 2020 9:47 PM Author: Stimulating chartreuse azn rehab
what a gay amount of hubris on display.
america is the greatest country on earth because theres no niggers in your faggot gated community? america is the greatest country on earth because you can kike scam the citizenry en route to being a faggot tech billionaire?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40538168) |
Date: July 5th, 2020 5:10 PM Author: Twisted indigo legal warrant parlor
"Nowhere in the world are the poor or mal-adapted treated better and nowhere on Earth do normal people have more opportunity to live a happy life."
Yeah, that might be the problem (the first part)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40551371) |
Date: July 7th, 2020 10:00 AM Author: Out-of-control Shitlib
I wrote this title to specifically trigger American hating libs. Of course there are things to be ashamed of, from Indian massacres to Andersonville to Dresden. However, that doesn't diminish the historical level greatness of this country. Libs love to dwell and absolutely live in areas of US History that are less than honorable, and the entire point of this thread was a big giant FUCK YOU to shitlibs over the 4th of July holiday.
All the America haters in this thread need to take a good look at yourselves and contemplate why you are brainwashed faggots.
Happy 4th of July to all of you, even libs. Libs, this country is amazing, free yourself from your shitty educations and see this truth.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4574920&forum_id=2#40560454) |
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