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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:09 PM Author: orchid yapping property gaping btw, don't even know how to drive so im clueless about cars and stuff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552264) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:09 PM Author: thriller shaky patrolman philosopher-king Will be a 100+ post thread very aspie subject for XO poasters (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552840) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:43 PM Author: orchid yapping property gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553414) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:44 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553427) |
Date: July 5th, 2020 8:11 PM Author: bearded state Budget and family size? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552268) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:17 PM Author: orchid yapping property gaping just myself and gf
up to $60k?? |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:20 PM Author: Jade talented spot death wish S5 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552312) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:21 PM Author: Beady-eyed onyx telephone Toyota Avalon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552314) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:31 PM Author: Aromatic hot azn school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552377) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:34 PM Author: orchid yapping property gaping what about the KIA STINGER??? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552395) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:35 PM Author: Beady-eyed onyx telephone I don't know a lot about them. I like the Avalon. Toyota! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552399) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:21 PM Author: charismatic regret *Venza (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552583) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:35 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop Venzas are underrated, it's too bad they were discontinued (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552986) |
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Date: July 6th, 2020 2:29 PM Author: obsidian cruise ship idiot i like them a lot too. my father in law has a 2010 model that doesn't look or feel dated at all. apparently the venza is coming back next year FYI. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40556077) |
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Date: July 6th, 2020 8:44 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop I did see that the Venza is returning, but it doesn't really seem like it's the same style of vehicle anymore. The first one was very wagon-y, basically like if Toyota made an Outback.
The new one doesn't have much of a wagon shape. It looks like just a generic crossover that is going to slot in between the RAV4 and the Highlander |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:44 PM Author: thriller shaky patrolman philosopher-king damn exeunt spending 60k on a car. you must be even richer than i imagined (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552695) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:13 PM Author: drunken mind-boggling resort pagani huarya aventador agera RS porsche cayman |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:19 PM Author: orchid yapping property gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552307) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:21 PM Author: drunken mind-boggling resort 60k budget -> dat CORVETTE dat CAMARO dat CHALLENGER dat MUSTANG |
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Date: July 6th, 2020 5:59 PM Author: obsidian cruise ship idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40557316) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:14 PM Author: Beady-eyed onyx telephone Accord or Camry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552285) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:15 PM Author: Citrine Center Son Of Senegal where do you live and what will you use it for (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552287) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:19 PM Author: orchid yapping property gaping i live in chicago but will probably move to a suburb.
not sure what i'll use it for. just getting around and shopping probably. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:15 PM Author: Red nighttime piazza I'm buying, too. What are you looking for bro? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552290) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:21 PM Author: orchid yapping property gaping i have this vague notion that if i owned a car, i'd do more stuff, may drive cross country. would mostly be for errands, realistically.
edit: also, would like to have a car and know how to drive so living in a suburb would be an option. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:24 PM Author: Red nighttime piazza Same. It’s convenient for weekend trips. Get out and go hiking etc. at 60K, you can get anything, assuming you’re not status obsessed (tmf) or deranged (nyuug).
If 95% of your travel is two people, I’d get a smaller sedan. Very comfortable and still easyto drive and park in a city. BMW 330i; Audi A4, Mercedes c300. Still fun to drive. You can get a bike in an Audi A4 without taking the wheel off, too. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:38 PM Author: Olive hairraiser mother range what are u buying? and how? are u going with a dealership or something online like carvana
i'm also in the market for a car
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:18 PM Author: vibrant hilarious ladyboy old irish cottage get a cheap convertible
nothing like the wind blowing on your face in the summer sunshine
expensive cars are total flame
acquire the haynes manual & learn how to repair it yourself |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:21 PM Author: Wonderful dysfunction meetinghouse SUV. It's big and safe. In any car accident, you'll come out ahead.
It's also useful for transporting large purchases (big TVs, etc.). |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:22 PM Author: Floppy immigrant Since you don’t know what you want ...
Buy a 2 year old Camry. HTH! |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:30 PM Author: orchid yapping property gaping might be cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552375) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:32 PM Author: Beady-eyed onyx telephone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552383) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:32 PM Author: Excitant foreskin useless brakes 1966 Mustang Fastback converted to electric motor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552384) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:36 PM Author: orchid yapping property gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552409) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:42 PM Author: Excitant foreskin useless brakes I've seen a couple of these conversions on youtube. Do 0-60 in like 3 seconds.
EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbp12ux8QcU |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:33 PM Author: yellow gas station ceo 1-2 year old certified pre-owned Acura RDX or Lexus NX (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552393) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:46 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop IMO a used Lexus GS is the GOAT 'don't know what car I want' car
- The rear wheel drive (or optional all wheel drive) is sportier than the front wheel drive ES
- They are nice enough inside where you and anyone riding with you will think 'yo, this is a nice car'. People never think that with Camrys.
- Very reliable, it's a Toyota.
- Someone else ate a bunch of the luxury depreciation
Fuck getting a new Camry when you could get something like this for less money: https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=555897067 |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:47 PM Author: orchid yapping property gaping ty for the 180 protip (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552453) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:28 PM Author: Red nighttime piazza Not bad advice. Lexus interiors are super dated though. Will look very old in a couple years. Biggest reason I didn’t get one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552617) |
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Date: July 6th, 2020 6:06 PM Author: Glittery persian Oh no, not a dated interior! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40557351) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:49 PM Author: Pungent odious space Tesla. lol at buying a gas car in 2020 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552462) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:52 PM Author: Frum coral preventive strike legal warrant as a chicagomo, you might consider getting something with AWD for the winter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552473) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 8:54 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop Cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552486) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:19 PM Author: Bisexual fragrant becky (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552574) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:25 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig 100% should get AWD and with sufficient ground clearance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552598) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:36 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop Your obsession with ground clearance is hilarious.
Chicago doesn't get *that* much snow, a AWD non-SUV is fine |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:44 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig I lived in Chicago for years. It absolutely gets several solid dumps every year. I was always happy I had a real SUV there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552696) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:31 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop LOL bro, someone that literally doesn't know how to drive all of a sudden needs an SUV because Chicago gets 6 inches once a year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552959) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:36 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig https://www.weather.gov/lot/Chicago_Seasonal_Snow
Got freakin' 82" in 2013-2014. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:44 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop And under 20" in 2011-12 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553059) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:02 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig Ok, but if you live in Chicago long term you're going to go through a bunch of winters with 5-6'+ of snow per winter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553172) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:07 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop You always poast as if waiting a couple hours for the plows to clear the roads is some sort of unimaginable encumbrance
Meanwhile you WFH... |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:11 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig I WFH except when I don't WFH. In general, I want my cars to be able to take me where I want to go regardless of the conditions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553226) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:15 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop Why buy a shittier vehicle just to get yourself the ability to drive in a few hours worth of shitty conditions that you probably don't even want to drive in anyway?? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553253) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:18 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig I think the marginal difference between say, an X6 50i and a 5 series 550i is non-existent as far as I'm concerned. Yes, the latter is slightly faster or whatever, but I value the ability to save my ass in flooding, deep snow, some horrible dirt road more than I value the tiny improvements. So I always get the performance SUV version. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553269) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:31 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop I understand your frame of mind as it relates to your compunctions, but don't you understand how other drivers (particularly a person that has never driven before) might think you're a histrionic queer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553343) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:35 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig Not really. What exactly does that extra performance get you? People on XO already think I'm insane for hitting 130 mph on roads. What would a slightly faster car get me? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553364) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:42 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop You *are* insane for going that fast on public roads.
Also it's not about sheer speed, at some point handling starts to come into play and that's where SUVs are faggot if you don't *really* need one.
Furthermore, this thread isn't about you. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:47 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig The handling is fantastic and I can't imagine needing better.
Vat? This thread is *definitely* about my mental illness right now. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:51 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553487) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:45 PM Author: orchid yapping property gaping ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553444) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:22 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig BMW X3 m40i
Tesla Model Y
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:25 PM Author: Red nighttime piazza No unmarried man drives a model y. Gross. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552600) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:27 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig It is cooler than the vast majority of cars mentioned here. And supremely practical and very fast (I'm assuming the performance variant, of course). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552608) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:29 PM Author: Red nighttime piazza You always manage the worst advice. He’s not loading car seats into it. Most of us grew out of obsessing over the “coolness” of our car and obsessive measuring based on it when we went off to college. The fact that you and NYUug haven’t is telling. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552620) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:32 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig I'm not sure I get your point here. A Model Y isn't much bigger than a 3. That's the Model X. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552632) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:33 PM Author: Red nighttime piazza I’m confident you don’t get my point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552639) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:44 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig Yes, your point is that a Tesla Model Y isn't "cool enough". That seems retarded to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552698) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:02 PM Author: Red nighttime piazza No it’s that you’re a 40 yr old office drone obsessing over which car is marginally cooler. Sad! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552793) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:09 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig You're the one that busted in here with "no unmarried man drives a Model Y." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552841) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:36 PM Author: Olive hairraiser mother range why x3 and not x5? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552660) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:43 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig 2 reasons: 1. the budget, and 2. it is just him and his gf and I haven't seen him considering a larger car/SUV for any particular reason. For example, we have always done that but we have had large dogs, did long road trips, etc.
But he could easily get an m40i: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZZoHlT_MpE
If he shopped around an x3m may be possible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05RTOCV74Yo
Since he lives in Chicago, a compact SUV is easier to park, cheaper on gas, etc. so unless there's a reason to go bigger I'm not sure why he would bother.
Porsche Macan Turbo may also be in the running: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ9TAlf6y8Q
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:58 PM Author: Olive hairraiser mother range dude used 2019 x5's are like $40k what are u talking about
also u should never buy new even if u can afford it, just take the extra 40% and get a better version of a CPO which has 170 point inspection |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:00 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop TMF's car advice is bad, this is nothing new (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552780) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:07 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig "dude used 2019 x5's are like $40k what are u talking about"
That's base model bullshit. Why would you ever get a large, slow BMW as a guy that is dating and with no kids?
"also u should never buy new even if u can afford it, just take the extra 40% and get a better version of a CPO which has 170 point inspection"
It isn't "an extra 40% off". And I say this as someone that did buy a slightly used BMW CPO.
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:08 PM Author: Olive hairraiser mother range i'm comparing apples to apples
sure, $52k for the premium used version vs. $78k new premium. still a yuge discount. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:10 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig What you're not getting is that no one is paying $78k for the new premium. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552843) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:13 PM Author: Olive hairraiser mother range even if it's not 40% and it's 20%, no one should pay 20% more for the same car with 10k miles on it.
check out all the youtube videos with car experts and new car dealership owners. they all say that if u have time, u should buy used. if u want to just get it over with, then sure u can overpay by 20-40% and not bother doing any work. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:18 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig A lot of those guys are advocating that you have a mechanic that you know and buy private party and in the right circumstances can win big. They don't mean going to the same BMW or Toyota dealer and buying slightly used and somehow you'll win huge. You might save some or you might not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552880) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:20 PM Author: Olive hairraiser mother range lol you yourself bought CPO and now ur trying to claim that u need a mechanic for a 2019 CPO certified 170 inspected vehicle?
gtfo hahahahaaaha
not even nyuug with his 20 year old busted porsche needed a mechanic. come on bro ur losing credibility here. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:34 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig "lol you yourself bought CPO and now ur trying to claim that u need a mechanic for a 2019 CPO certified 170 inspected vehicle?"
Reread. Nowhere did I claim that. I said for private party non-CPO you should have that. You're referencing typical Scotty Kilmer Youtube type advice. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:56 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop NYUUG bought a car with a busted steering rack and was too dumb to know that he was buying a broken car (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553135) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:02 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553173) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:05 PM Author: drunken mind-boggling resort steering was fine - shop said i was just turning the handle on an irregular surface or something
oh u mad |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:10 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop LOL at your upper body strength in that case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553218) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:14 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig What? You were saying you had to throw your entire weight into it and it sounded like power steering totally failed. That response doesn't make any sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553247) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:16 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553259) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:35 PM Author: Well-lubricated pale abode voyeur With a 60k budget in Chicago you should get an SUV or AWD Sedan.
Don’t buy new. Buy CPO or 2-5 years old with less than 20k miles. If you’re getting a German car buy the extended warranty.
For SUVs you should target land cruisers, Audi SQ 5 (sportier) or Q 5/7, BMW x 5/7, Mercedes GLE or GLS. Land Rovers (especially sport) and Porsche’s are available but I’m not a fan of either offering (LRs will be a pain in the ass and Porsche SUV styling isn’t my thing).
If you want a sedan you can find anything from a sporty m5 to an S 6/7, or a S class / 7 series if you like the boomer boat thing. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:38 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig On a $60k budget he is better off getting a x3 than an x5. He can get an m40i or x3m CPO at that price. Add Porsche Macan Turbo too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552671) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:37 PM Author: Olive hairraiser mother range just remember NEVER BUY NEW
with used cars nowadays they're like 10-20k miles, they last 200k miles, and are 30%+ below new prices so u get huge value and literally the same brand new car
never buying new again, even if u can afford it, because it allows u to go from a shitty new bmw 3 series to like a used BMW M3 sports car. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:47 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig This is advice that was more true a decade or two ago than now. The thing is that so many people shop used first that you no longer get the crazy discounts because "someone drove it off the lot." CPO programs have helped reduce this impact too. Especially since a bunch of places also heavily discount new cars too. Just look for last year's model on closeout, for example. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552716) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:00 PM Author: Olive hairraiser mother range dude i'm looking at 2019 x5's that are 40% below new prices what u mean
$40k vs. $65k new
how is that not a big discount? |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:03 PM Author: pea-brained parlor bmw's depreciate heavily, it's insane to buy a new one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552798) |
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Date: July 6th, 2020 2:48 PM Author: passionate drab nursing home half-breed also insane to buy used one (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40556194) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:05 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig With what mileage/years? And are we talking CPO?
BMWs are incredibly expensive to fix out of warranty. Take that into consideration. Also, many times you can get a good discount on new/last year's model. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:07 PM Author: Olive hairraiser mother range they're like 10k miles only w/ CPO. and yes they are 100% under warranty are u serious. i feel like u've never bought a car before in ur life if u don't know about used car warranties and CPO.
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:09 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig I literally did this like a year and a half ago with a BMW X6 50i. It still isn't 40% off of what you could have gotten. You are comparing to sticker which no one is paying new either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552833) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:09 PM Author: Olive hairraiser mother range maybe was lower spread back then but have u seen the deals lately?
minimum 30% off MSRP and i'm not even looking that hard, check cargurus.com
even if it's 20% off, there's no reason to buy new. 10k miles is a dumb reason to overpay by 20%. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:12 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig I used cars.com, but same game. Lately new have been discounted more heavily too though. The other thing is that they tend to give really good financing on new whereas CPO doesn't get that. Didn't matter to me since I paid all cash but the concept that it is ALWAYS better to do X or Y is usually false. Especially if we switched to talking about Toyotas and such, where used barely gives any discount at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552851) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:15 PM Author: Olive hairraiser mother range maybe ur getting a sweetheart deal but i approached a couple new car dealerships around my area and they're all offering cheap financing plans but not great deals
had one guy explain it to me, a franchised bmw dealership can't discount by much more than their invoice price. they only make $500 per unit at that point. they can only make $ on the financing. the are owned by the OEMs and can't give u $5k off just because they want to close a deal. the used guys however, can do so because they are not connected to an OEM like bmw which is a public company and can't just give away cars for free. if u need financing, maybe go with new, but for anyone who has time to research and can pay mostly cash, they should go 1-3 year used 99% of the time. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:21 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig "maybe ur getting a sweetheart deal but i approached a couple new car dealerships around my area and they're all offering cheap financing plans but not great deals"
They run 0%-0.9% financing periodically.
"had one guy explain it to me, a franchised bmw dealership can't discount by much more than their invoice price. they only make $500 per unit at that point. they can only make $ on the financing."
You say that, but see above. Also, a lot of these guys are full of shit.
"the are owned by the OEMs and can't give u $5k off just because they want to close a deal."
Why not? They do exactly this all the time. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:26 PM Author: Olive hairraiser mother range i mean u know these public transcripts are free to read right?
BMW can't send cars for free to dealerships, their average selling price (asps) are actually going up. also they can't expect their own dealerships to stay afloat. i've covered auto stocks for 8 years now.
$5k off LISTING. you aren't reading. no one cares about MSRP. give me the phone # of a nearby NYC/NJ/CT dealership selling a BMW X5 for $5k off their invoice price (where they break even) and i'll call them and edit all my posts ITT to
"I am so sorry TMF is the car expert and i'm an idiot" |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:38 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig This is BS (and as said below, a sales tactic). Manufacturers give additional incentives all the time to help move inventory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553011) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:39 PM Author: Olive hairraiser mother range agreed there are incentives and i'm already at that point. it's not $5k off bro. ppl are grabbing up cheap financing right now so u don't see deals on the new side.
if u can find me one let me know :) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:45 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig I spent months looking for a really great deal (car had to have the specs/features that I wanted for a great price) so obviously I'm not going to invest that time for you. But I recall there were some BMW forums that do group buying and don't be afraid to search nationally and have the car shipped to you (or just fly in and drive it back yourself). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553065) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:05 PM Author: Olive hairraiser mother range understood, thanks.
did u only look around ur area? i'm thinking of looking 500 miles out since now i've exhausted all the nearby dealerships. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:14 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig No, I shipped it from around Chicago to NJ. It cost like $600 and I got it a few days later. But a lot of deals are in Texas or Florida or other places. Another good deal I found was around Atlanta. Search nationwide. If you're shipping from California you'll pay like $1500-$2k or whatever, just factor that into your calculations. Assume $1/mile for shipping.
Years ago when I bought a Jaguar I used miles to fly into Florida. Picked up my car and drove it home.
But there's no reason in this game to limit it to 500 miles. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:17 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop What Jag did you own? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553266) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:20 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig X-Type 3.0. Yeah, it wasn't the most impressive car but I got a ridiculous deal on it and it was really fun. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553275) |
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Date: July 6th, 2020 12:01 AM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop Good for you man. At least you recognize that it was a marginal car.
I used to work at this firm where someone more upper-level than me owned an X-Type and every time I passed it I thought less of him for owning such a piece of shit. I usually don't pass *that* much judgement on what cars people drive but that was an exception. The dude was clearly trying to strive and it's just sad when that's your motive and literally nobody else thinks your whip is cool |
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Date: July 6th, 2020 12:09 AM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig Keep in mind, I bought it for like $17k barely used (and under warranty) and for the time it was pretty fast and had every feature (everything was wrapped in this luxurious leather, the shift knob was this honed wood, etc.). It was British racing green and beige interior. I had a ton of fun in that car. Remarkably, people acted like I had an unbelievably expensive car. Also - I was an undergrad student at the time and also drove it through law school. Kept it until I left for Russia and handed it down to family which subsequently drove it into the ground. Definitely got my money's worth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553590) |
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Date: July 6th, 2020 11:47 AM Author: Burgundy indirect expression This is the perfect color combo on a jag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40555129) |
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Date: July 6th, 2020 2:31 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig Agree. Also, back then they had a real physical leaper and not the lame cap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40556089) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:52 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop Buying new is much more cr than it used to be. 'Ordinary' cars don't depreciate nearly as bad as they used to. Stuff like Camrys or Outbacks have pretty slow depreciation and are a perfectly fine financial decision to buy new.
The only segment where it's imperative to buy used is luxury brands. Even then, you're often going to eat shit on maintenance, but that's mostly on Euro garbage. The sweet spot in used car buying is stuff like Lexuses or Acuras |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:00 PM Author: Olive hairraiser mother range agree on honda accords but even now i'm looking at the 2019's and they're 20% below new. and some have 5k miles.
there's no way u should overpay by 20% for essentially the same car |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:11 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop You're comparing list price to list price. Buying new, you have much more room to negotiate a price.
Margins on used stuff have evaporated in recent years. What you see on the list price of a used car is much more of a take-it-or-leave-it proposition. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:17 PM Author: Olive hairraiser mother range don't think u can generalize
see above with TMF, i contacted a few new dealerships and it's been the opposite. they offer great financing but refuse to take the $ price down, they show me invoice and it's not like new dealerships make great $ per unit. they actually lose money on most cases and get paid back by the OEM (bmw in this case which is a public company).
the used guys have no loyalty to a brand and they are allowed to sell a car for $3-$5k below because their other option is to send it to wholesale auction for other dealerships to bid on. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:28 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop > they show me invoice and it's not like new dealerships make great $ per unit
Bro, you know that's just a sales tactic right? "Invoice" is *never* what the dealer is actually paying for a car. You think they are actually just going to fucking show you what their actual profit is on a transaction? Are you a moron?
The used car game has gotten much more cutthroat in recent years. They absolutely don't have $3-5k to give off of list unless you're talking about very expensive cars that sit around for a long time. You'll *never* get $3k off of list on a used Camry |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:30 PM Author: Olive hairraiser mother range why are u so mad lol what do u gain from this?
i'm telling u what is happening to me around the NY/NJ area.
you can prove me wrong by sending me some great deals from new dealerships for BMW X5's and i'll gladly take it. i've hit up a dozen franchised dealerships so far and they have zero incentive to give me a great deal outside of financing. if u can help let me know.
iunno about used camrys but i am getting a YUGE deal from a used 2019 version which is 35% below the best new car offer right now. these new guys also have no incentive to make a deal with me when there's 100 ppl coming in every day buying their cars for MSRP. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:32 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop I'm not mad at all, you don't seem to understand what is actually up with new/used car buying (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552965) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:34 PM Author: Olive hairraiser mother range well i'm just not getting anyone to cut their prices on the new side. maybe it's all these old hags who are buying new cars with 0 financing and there's zero incentive to deal with someone like me.
oh well i'll keep trying but so far the used market with desperate used dealers is where i'm finding some great deals. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:43 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop I'm speaking generally and not to the specific case of an X5.
Luxury brands are a little bit different just because of how heavy the depreciation is. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:37 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553004) |
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Date: July 6th, 2020 11:48 AM Author: Burgundy indirect expression correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40555133) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:56 PM Author: pea-brained parlor this is credited. new car prices are insane. buy a 3 year old car coming off lease with less than 30K miles. the car will last forever and you'll pay a fraction of it's original price. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552754) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:57 PM Author: thriller shaky patrolman philosopher-king I think its credited to buy a Honda or Toyota new, otherwise, CR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552762) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:02 PM Author: Olive hairraiser mother range even then, the honda/toyota can go 200k miles easy
i'm seeing some great deals with only 10k miles
why are u going to overpay by 20% for a car that's only 5% through its worst case life cycle? that's stupid af. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:12 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig Because for some reason you assume that everyone pays close to sticker buying new. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552853) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:18 PM Author: Olive hairraiser mother range i've been talking to new and used dealerships for a while
u know the used dealerships drop by even more than listing than new dealerships. they're not tied to public $50bn original manufacturers like honda or bmw. check out filings from these guys and u'll understand why they can always offer better financing but are pretty tied to within $1k invoice pricing from the OEM. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:24 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig "i've been talking to new and used dealerships for a while"
They are literally the exact same dealerships. That's what is so weird about this position. I bought my CPO BMW from a normal BMW dealership that could have sold me the exact same car new. Also, if you want CPO you're pretty much limited to normal BMW dealerships. Bobby's Used Cars and Trucks can't CPO a BMW. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:38 PM Author: thriller shaky patrolman philosopher-king You should probably get a Tesla dude. Other than that, two "value" options that I think you'd appreciate. I will probably cop one of these two options soon:
1. 2018+ Honda Accords are a great car imo. I'd say even nicer than the baseline Acura or Lexus models. Car will last forever with minimal repair costs, while maintaining value. I'd probably cop a Sport or Touring model slightly pre owned (less than 30k miles). You're rich enough to just buy new
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/812265817/overview/
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/805712700/overview/
2. Lexus IS 200t
Again, low maintenance costs because its basically a Toyota, but nicer exterior and the lexus badge. The interior is the only downside of this car, but otherwise, pretty nice, affordable, and gets you in a "luxury" car that won't cost an arm and leg to maintain.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/809231381/overview/ |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:35 PM Author: orchid yapping property gaping ty ty
a side comment: why the fuck are there so many models of cars? i feel like the world needs maybe half as many models |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:48 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop GC wants everyone to consoom as much as possible
It's why TMF and people like him buy big SUVs despite never needing what their machinery is capable of |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:50 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig It isn't "never", I definitely use the capabilities. But if you change it to "but you don't need it *most* of the time" then you're right. It is just about how much someone values that "some of the time". For me it is a requirement, for others maybe not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553479) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:48 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig It is usually the second most expensive thing people spend money on after housing. Of course there are going to be a bunch of companies looking to fill that need. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553468) |
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Date: July 6th, 2020 11:51 AM Author: Burgundy indirect expression this is good advice for OP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40555150) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:53 PM Author: blathering bat shit crazy police squad Model 3. Buy future not the past (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552748) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 9:54 PM Author: thriller shaky patrolman philosopher-king (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552749) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:00 PM Author: Red nighttime piazza Great car but limits you if most of your use is trips. Depends where you’re going and super charger acccess I suppose (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552784) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:36 PM Author: blathering bat shit crazy police squad did he say he wants to do trips? he doesnt even know how to drive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552994) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:04 PM Author: Olive hairraiser mother range great car but HORRENDOUS for road trips. the battery range is actually 85% of advertised.
then u spend ur last 50 miles on road trips trying to find the next battery so usually u detour for 20 miles trying to charge. then it takes 1-2 hours to charge.
then u are back on the road. it elongates a 10 hour road trip into 2x as long. that's also assuming warm weather. the tesla batteries crash in cold weather, especially if u don't want to freeze while u drive cause u'll be blasting the heat too.
other than that it's a great vehicle
source: my friend has owned a model s and recently a model 3 |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:36 PM Author: blathering bat shit crazy police squad who tf takes 10 hour road trips (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552998) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:36 PM Author: orchid yapping property gaping i have a friend with a model x. he spends way too much time thinking about where to get turbocharging. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553372) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:43 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig On road trips you mean? For day to day driving, I would argue Tesla is far more convenient because you never have to pull into a gas station. You just plug it in in your garage every several days and your car is good to go. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553422) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:12 PM Author: House-broken French Chef Mercedes Benz. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552850) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:33 PM Author: mahogany aphrodisiac hell No real advice here, but any reason not to just toss $15k cash or so down on a Kia or Toyota or Honda? I hate cars, I just need four wheels and an engine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40552975) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:34 PM Author: thriller shaky patrolman philosopher-king +1
exeunt doesnt strike me as the dude who would cop a $60k BMW
He should cop a Honda Accord and then have the luxury of never thinking about the car or worrying about door dings |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:42 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig If I drove $15k Kias/Toyotas/Hondas I'd hate cars too... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553046) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:43 PM Author: mahogany aphrodisiac hell I literally only use a car occasionally to get to/from the grocery story. I'm in a walking area and just flat-out don't need one.
I've just never cared much about cars. There are people who get really into wine, and other people who don't notice the difference. It's just not something I'm interested in. |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:33 PM Author: orchid yapping property gaping this is probably what i'll do. i just threw out the $60k figure as a reasonable sounding number i'd pay up to. remember, i don't know anything about cars. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553349) |
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Date: July 6th, 2020 2:23 PM Author: Citrine Center Son Of Senegal just get a small japanese suv and call it a day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40556052) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:38 PM Author: Grizzly Corner Xo poasters: “why buy new when you can buy a barely used one just off the lot for half price!!”
Ljl you all sound like retard uncles who just read Dave Ramsey |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:42 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553049) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 10:47 PM Author: Citrine Center Son Of Senegal if you're going to use it for "outings" just get a fucking normal suv and stop losing sleep about i (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553077) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:11 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop Great thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553228) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:33 PM Author: orchid yapping property gaping cr
ty everyone for your wisdom |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:39 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring dog poop I meant this mostly sarcastically. This thread got pretty derailed IMO
Your '$60k but I don't know anything about cars' is pretty good fodder though |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:35 PM Author: Slippery fluffy rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553367) |
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Date: July 5th, 2020 11:55 PM Author: Demanding Market Dont exceed one year of salary in cost (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40553527) |
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Date: July 6th, 2020 12:57 AM Author: shivering avocado sex offender If you want to see what turbo goy used car cucks are advocating, go down to your nearest Budget location and ask for a base model Nissan with 20k miles on it. Yes this would be much cheaper than a new car - because it is a piece of shit.
The dream in used car buying is to buy from a little old lady who didn’t drive much, parked in garage, paid for all maintenance, had no accidents and then stopped driving or traded in. Everyone wants the same car and dealers hold the line on pricing. The cheap cars will have accidents, too many miles, bad maintenance. You can sink months into searching to save a modest amount (which disappears after you factor in travel, value of time). Or you can figure out what you want and pay the low end of market for it rather than wasting your time so that you can lie to strangers on the internet about how good of a deal you got.
That screed aside, if you own no car today, don’t know how to drive, don’t know what you want or why, and will be using car in city, I would not jump right into a new luxury vehicle. If you get a used Honda or equivalent you can beat the shit out of it for a few years and then upgrade and sell to some idiot kid once you have a suburban garage and more knowledge. Urbanites our age are basically teenagers with respect to cars - if it has four wheels and goes when you hit the gas, the novelty will be exciting even if it is a junker objectively. More power and a perfect appearance are really sources of risk rather than clear benefits at this stage. Also to back to where I started - you can rent a car quite often before you hit total cost of ownership, so consider renting various types until you figure out whether you need a car and if so what you like. |
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Date: July 6th, 2020 2:19 PM Author: Peach laser beams Get a Tesla with free supercharging and use that to mine bitcoin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40556031) |
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Date: July 6th, 2020 6:10 PM Author: bateful garrison selfie Lease a Volvo/Audi/etc mid sized SUV. learn how to drive and see how much you use a car and for what, re-evaluate needs in a couple of years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4577306&forum_id=2#40557374) |