Typically it’s a $70K-125K range give or take.

It’s an extremely “hot” career rn that requires very little educational credentials or actual expertise in anything, so it attracts a lot of incompetent, lazy, low-integrity trash who are good at fooling Gen-X hiring committees and boomer executives.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948358&forum_id=2#43320551)

A rank-and-file PM at some TTT tech-wannabe outfit like Capital One or Quicken Loans probably makes $90K at best.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948358&forum_id=2#43320758)

Edit: if you mean Goldman-type banks offering comp packages for PMs on par with (comparable seniority level) PMs at FAANG, I know for a fact they do.

But it’s totally aspirational on their part, I know very well how far behind in terms of tech talent and (lmao) product quality they are. They think throwing money at the problem will make it go away.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948358&forum_id=2#43320786)

That’s my only real datapoint TBF (other than some similar circumstantial evidence I know about what FAANG PMs make on the lower and upper ends) which I guess is why I said “I imagine.”

But at any rate I’m confident Goldman et al are consistently offering PMs something closer to FAANG salaries (plus bonuses and whatever other non-base comp are standard at ibanks) compared to the legions of TTT companies loading up on these morons on the cheap.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948358&forum_id=2#43320955)

-Boomer retard ibank CEO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948358&forum_id=2#43321002)

that said some of the most impressive people i’ve ever met are former engineers that are somehow talented at everything

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948358&forum_id=2#43320475)

PMs handle the associated busywork and will bikeshed on some inconsequential aspects of it, but devs are the source of it

edit: and regarding things like market position, that's at the executive level with little to no input from PMs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948358&forum_id=2#43320584)

but yes "just engineers" (young tech people without managerial experience) have founded a bunch of middle market software companies without a single "adult in the room" type of person involved. all they really needed is something worth selling to enterprises, a few large contracts, and exit at some revenue multiple probably ~4-5x. what part of that requires some MBA fuck who thinks about "strategy"? some of these founders have like 6 and a half employees and wrote half the code themselves

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948358&forum_id=2#43320666)

Target job for striver elite uni types who can't code.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948358&forum_id=2#43320533)

the guy who invented snapchat stories probably got like a $1 million stock bonus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948358&forum_id=2#43320572)

where I work the PMs aren't even the ones who propose new features or their priority. the engineers do that too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948358&forum_id=2#43320546)

Roughly 50% of them have a poor or in some cases nonexistent understanding of what the product they “manage” actually is supposed to do or how it works.

A lot of TTT companies with big coffers (think big retail banks, subprime mortgage / auto lenders, etc) are scrambling to add as many of these roles as possible thinking it will turn their dogshit website and mobile app into some lauded “fintech” innovation.

Results so far are about what you’d expect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948358&forum_id=2#43320628)

in reality they take a customer's narrow and highly specific request and repeat it verbatim to engineers. when another request conflicts with that, they just tack it onto the existing proposal via optional flags and arguments so the resultant product is a confusing, over-designed mess

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948358&forum_id=2#43320695)

https://youtu.be/m4OvQIGDg4I

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948358&forum_id=2#43320942)

not at FAANG, or at least the non-hardcore FAANGs (so exclude netflix and maybe amazon)

basically impossible to get fired at e.g. G

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948358&forum_id=2#43321053)

Google has extremely high turnover. they might not fire you, but they’ll definitely manage you out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948358&forum_id=2#43321187)

Describe this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948358&forum_id=2#43321980)

However, to GET a PM job at the kind of place where you can “stack cash and RSUs” you typically need a higher IQ than 105 or more specifically a pedigree (educational or otherwise) a 105 IQmo isn’t likely to have.

That said there are unicorn 105ers who are very chill and fratty and attractive (while also presenting as highly “woke” and shitlib) who of course can easily land a FAANG-tier PM role.

And of course nowadays lots and lots of barely-literate nigs and dykes and AIDSbrain fags are flooding into these lulzy sinecures (and of course making life a living hell for the competent engineers, data scientists, et al. who now have to basically take orders from them.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948358&forum_id=2#43321330)

For better or worse, my job is completely unrelated to this, but I poasted ITT because of how many college peers ended up in this kind of area after doing random corporate stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4948358&forum_id=2#43322001)