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Christopher Walken cast as D2 Emperor is a very strange choice
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Date: April 25th, 2024 10:51 PM Author: comical messiness What are we thinking about this bros (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521608&forum_id=2#47610408) |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 9:14 AM Author: big-titted marvelous field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521608&forum_id=2#47610860) |
Date: April 26th, 2024 8:19 AM Author: soul-stirring french chef hell I dont remembr an 'emperor' figure in might ducks franchise. Was he the goalie on the bad/mean team? If ao, i agree this is terrible casting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521608&forum_id=2#47610768) |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 8:31 AM Author: big-titted marvelous field 🤔🧐🤯 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521608&forum_id=2#47610780) |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 9:21 AM Author: soggy green property karate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521608&forum_id=2#47610869) |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 9:23 AM Author: big-titted marvelous field !!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521608&forum_id=2#47610872) |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 12:36 PM Author: comical messiness He was the shadow figure watching from the stands spending immense amounts of gold and blood to ensure the Ducks did not win The Big Game. Uncredited in the listings but it was Christopher Walken (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521608&forum_id=2#47611296) |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 2:40 PM Author: rambunctious burgundy hospital (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521608&forum_id=2#47611528) |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 3:16 PM Author: big-titted marvelous field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521608&forum_id=2#47611620) |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 12:49 PM Author: Jet Abode Mr. Ducksworth was obviously the evil emperor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521608&forum_id=2#47611318) |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 3:16 PM Author: big-titted marvelous field WOW. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521608&forum_id=2#47611619) |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 10:17 AM Author: cracking weed whacker lay It struck me as a strange choice too. Also I didn’t understand why the Emperor had to come down in person at the end of the movie. Why let himself be so vulnerable to attack (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521608&forum_id=2#47610995) |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 12:34 PM Author: comical messiness Best guess that came from the discussion on the drive home is Walken's characteristic anti-charisma highlights the emperor's presence as an ossified non-entity in the books In the books iirc he's ancient, checked-out from active power, and basically a passive force to be acted on like the Edo emperor under Tokugawa. Not sure if the comic relief from Walken's cadence was intentional or just translated from pop culture phenomena though and it ended up breaking the gravity of what were otherwise serious scenes. Ones with the Baron and the Emperor in particular ended up being kind of funny and out of place due to the mismatch of screen presences between the characters |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 12:42 PM Author: comical messiness Subject: 2nd point Herbert really wanted all the pomp and ceremony of the early classical/medieval style of political relations through unmediated "presence" while also keeping his high sci-fantasy background dressing with lasers and space ships and orbital bombardments and atomic weaponry unmolested You could call it a plot contrivance but the entire setting is oriented around plot contrivance I enjoyed Dune very much as a child but it's more than a little silly even for sci-fi if you start poking at the theater curtain |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 12:58 PM Author: comical messiness Also Villeneuve truncates a lot of the tension during what's supposed to be a protracted insurgent battle for Spiceworld (1997) to keep the epic and purely symbolic primary engine of the film chugging along for a mainly American audience and a lot of the actual realized or implied plot of the conflict is lost in the translation to this style of film, much like how David Lynch's treatment lost the grandeur and scale of the set pieces in his more Shakespearian and character-and-psychodrama based approach to the subject material It'd be like the Taliban or Al Qaeda or the Al-Sadr Brigades or whoever the Islamic villain of the week was lightning-raid capturing George W Bush in Baghdad years after Fallujah. Supposed to be unthinkable but iirc the Harkonnens downplayed the reality of the insurgency situation to keep the visage of competency and control to the rest of the imperial political apparatus intact. Haven't read the books in a while though so ymmv |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 12:36 PM Author: mentally impaired unholy cumskin Walken was decent imo. OP knows nothing of Film. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521608&forum_id=2#47611297) |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 12:38 PM Author: comical messiness Discuss case on the merits or you're disbarred from film criticism , champ |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 12:56 PM Author: mentally impaired unholy cumskin It's ridiculous casting but his actual performance was superalative imo. He was Pensive, and Regal imho. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521608&forum_id=2#47611333) |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 1:09 PM Author: comical messiness He was damn silly and you're a dog faced pony critic cowgog (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521608&forum_id=2#47611344) |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 12:40 PM Author: light keepsake machete I can't be objective about this because of all the hilarious baggage he carries. I think it was a mistake to cast any highly recognizable Hollywood actor in a movie like this.
That said, I guess he did a decent job. |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 12:47 PM Author: comical messiness Yes It could simply be that Villeneuve is Canadian, French Canadian even, and therefore from a strange and alien land where up is down and left is right and perhaps we do not understand the dreaded "Leaf mentality" he's foisted on us with this acting choice I've found that, in media, the French and Quebecois take certain tropes and things that we laugh at and find hamminess in in the States with all the seriousness and gravity of a funeral. I have seen a Montreal woman cry with great anguish after the credits rolled on a screwball comedy; little about these people makes sense |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 12:46 PM Author: Odious Public Bath It was prophesied.
https://ew.com/christopher-walken-dune-fatboy-slim-video-weapon-of-choice-connection-8606852 |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 1:02 PM Author: comical messiness (Ebert and Stilgar) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521608&forum_id=2#47611338) |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 1:27 PM Author: comical messiness A couple of other notes if anyone's still interested in this film being discussed itt (Dune 2, 2024) I have severe mental illness (I don't) and rarely see films at release to avoid being colored by audience reaction but regardless it was an excellent if unfortunately condensed film and the best to hit the theaters in the last couple of years |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 1:35 PM Author: comical messiness 1. The wuxia Phantom Menace choreography with all the flourishes and flips for the knife fight between Feyd and Paul at the end was not an appropriate treatment of the matter being portrayed. Villeneuve (Canadian) should've taken more inspiration from gritty Western (Bone Tomahawk's portrayals of combat come to mind) portrayals of what knife fighting is like in reality. Two young bucks full of sublimated sexual tension and anger slashing and thrashing it out with their gladii should not look like a highly stylized Shen Yun acrobatic interpretation of a Chinese period drama dao clash; it should be tense, quick, oriented around the feint, and much bloodier (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521608&forum_id=2#47611384) |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 1:51 PM Author: comical messiness 2. The portrayal of the Harkonnen planet was probably where the movie hit its highest point as an epic or a film reaching into pure symbol to tell its story. The architecture dripped with sterilized, black sun-bleached dystopian malice as well as the tackiness and palpable visual poverty of late Roman Republic decadence. Villeneuve (Canadian) blended the best of Ridley Scott's more mature revisit in Prometheus to Giger's Alien-defining slime-coated obsidian-slick art style with classic Star Wars Empire bad guy visual tones. The opening shot of the arena; an inverted black pyramid depressed into white-washed and colorless earth, watched over queerily by an obese and veiny sinister blob of a man, said more about the characters and themes involved than the actual action of the set of scenes taking place there. The juxtaposing cuts contrasting between this and the earthy and sandy Fremen scenes with all their rugged organicity only add to the starkness of the visual treatment here. This is epic storytelling through film at its best, where the scenery says it all and everything after is just talented blessing. Shout out to the Zardoz inspired Harkonnen ships spewing rockets from their mouth ports revealed shortly after this, really just everything to do with the Harkonnen stuff was clearly a project of great forethought and love for the subject matter. 10/10 for this guy (Canadian) just wish he had spent the same amount of time fleshing out the Atriedes aesthetic in the first film for thematic harmony's sake. Star Wars again but George Lucas did a better job at this and the comparisons have to be made because this is the closest thing Zoomers/GA will get to a good vs evil space opera epic in their formative years |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 1:59 PM Author: comical messiness 3. Ween's 1997 summertime pop-rock hit "Ocean Man" was an odd soundtrack choice for the scenes involving Paul's sip of the Waters of Life and spiritual voyage to the great sea at the edge of the desert but okay, I'll allow it, Quebecoids are just strange people https://youtu.be/vcaPiiFZu2o?si=eM6f-Qs-fy3jasCg |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 1:59 PM Author: Misunderstood rigor Was a strange choice but honestly it didn’t really pull me out of the movie while watching it idk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521608&forum_id=2#47611439) |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 2:01 PM Author: comical messiness Yes It was an excellent film and I can't say he was a bad choice at all because he had the grim and aged stony face for the part Just a curious thing |
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Date: April 26th, 2024 6:21 PM Author: comical messiness MASE tp this thread was basically for you, very disappointed by your lack of response itt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521608&forum_id=2#47611927) |
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Date: April 27th, 2024 2:07 PM Author: Misunderstood rigor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521608&forum_id=2#47613424) |