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Why was Goldeneye popular on the N64 but not Perfect Dark?

Everyone played Goldeneye on the N64, which retroactively wo...
Big Volcanic Crater Pisswyrm
  03/19/26
Losers and Scumbags couldn't afford the N64 Expansion Pack ...
racy well-lubricated house
  03/19/26
Majora's Mask and Donkey Kong 64 also required it and they w...
Big Volcanic Crater Pisswyrm
  03/20/26
Didn't it come with some game
spruce self-absorbed idea he suggested
  03/20/26
I think it came with that Rogue Squadron Game
Aphrodisiac Rehab Weed Whacker
  03/21/26
it didn't iirc but that game benefited a lot from it. it was...
Confused lavender location coldplay fan
  03/21/26
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/916387-nintendo-64/7954...
Confused lavender location coldplay fan
  03/20/26
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effete razzmatazz tanning salon kitty cat
  03/21/26
if you started jabbering about Perfect Dark and playing agai...
Seedy avocado whorehouse internal respiration
  03/20/26
Little do these people know they’re playing partially ...
Confused lavender location coldplay fan
  03/20/26
By the time perfect dark was out we had half life on pc plus...
spruce self-absorbed idea he suggested
  03/20/26
This is cr
Dashing judgmental set pistol
  03/20/26
System Link was getting a lot bigger during this time. my bu...
Confused lavender location coldplay fan
  03/21/26
Perfect Dark was just Goldeneye without the cool Bond shit, ...
shaky razzle-dazzle headpube
  03/20/26
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Mind-boggling burgundy roast beef
  03/20/26
That game sucked so much
Magical forum
  03/20/26
TWINE was on N64 too and I have very fond memories of playin...
glittery sienna main people
  03/20/26
The PlayStation TWINE was a horrible single player only game...
Magical forum
  03/20/26
Oh that's terrible, the campaign on N64 was enjoyable to me ...
glittery sienna main people
  03/20/26
alien resurrection for PS1 was the premier console fps of th...
Confused lavender location coldplay fan
  03/21/26
PS1 didn't start with dual analog which is why it lost the g...
glittery sienna main people
  03/21/26
100,000,000k units shipped, champ
Confused lavender location coldplay fan
  03/21/26
Nobody cares about numbers, everyone remembers the cultural ...
glittery sienna main people
  03/21/26
Final Fantasy 7 ... zero cultural impact. lmao
racy well-lubricated house
  03/21/26
You get one weird jrpg that only Nerds care about. Meanwhile...
glittery sienna main people
  03/21/26
Bro, I kept my games. I can physically look at the libraries...
racy well-lubricated house
  03/21/26
I mean the slate kind of got wiped clean in a way over the y...
Confused lavender location coldplay fan
  03/21/26
"FF7 and JRPG's fall from grace" The recent GOT...
racy well-lubricated house
  03/21/26
"GOTY" as decided by GenX and elder millennial jou...
glittery sienna main people
  03/21/26
Over 5 million copies sold. 96% positive steam rating. I thi...
racy well-lubricated house
  03/21/26
When I last looked at metrics FF7R showed a high % completin...
Confused lavender location coldplay fan
  03/21/26
Um expedition 33 didn’t get accolades for its gameplay...
Confused lavender location coldplay fan
  03/21/26
makes no sense, anime is more popular than ever but jrpgs li...
Big Volcanic Crater Pisswyrm
  03/21/26
DQ never really caught on in the west. The NES game did well...
Confused lavender location coldplay fan
  03/21/26
NightFire was great, it just wasn't GoldenEye level of great...
Odious anal boltzmann
  03/20/26
A lot of people were wiser by that point. The Tomorrow Never...
ZoZo Society and Its Future
  08/19/26
It had a short haired female protagonist. You’re suppo...
Confused lavender location coldplay fan
  03/20/26
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boyish fat ankles brunch
  03/20/26
Xbox was never in it this gen
racy well-lubricated house
  03/20/26
N64 was doomed the moment it decided to use cartridges when ...
Odious anal boltzmann
  03/20/26
This is reductive af imho. The N64 is a cut-down Silicon Gra...
Confused lavender location coldplay fan
  03/21/26
chatgpt
spruce self-absorbed idea he suggested
  03/21/26
it's all fucking true imho
Confused lavender location coldplay fan
  03/21/26
Use your own words champ
spruce self-absorbed idea he suggested
  03/23/26
Goldeneye was social
Ruddy degenerate locus
  03/20/26
...
Confused lavender location coldplay fan
  03/20/26
Got into Time Splitters is that related?
gaped bbw death wish
  03/20/26
Only Low Losers played timesplitters. You had Halo and CS to...
Confused lavender location coldplay fan
  03/20/26
Which clique(s) gravitated toward Sim Cities versus Command ...
Mind-boggling burgundy roast beef
  03/20/26
Band kids
spruce self-absorbed idea he suggested
  03/20/26
Simcity is liberal arts/Losers. C&C /RTS are Nerds
Confused lavender location coldplay fan
  03/20/26
I didn’t play some of those, mainly due to some prior ...
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blue therapy
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Level design was a lot better in goldeneye. Perfect dark had...
Adulterous immigrant international law enforcement agency
  03/21/26
this is wrong. first of all you're right that the levels kin...
Confused lavender location coldplay fan
  03/21/26
The World is not Enough on n64 had Bond and all the characte...
Adulterous immigrant international law enforcement agency
  03/21/26
I just played the decompiled perfect dark port on PC this mo...
Confused lavender location coldplay fan
  03/21/26
Bond is cool, girl with a gun not so much. I loved the Hacie...
Stimulating cuck
  03/21/26
Seems not relevant now but Bond was very cool at the time.
cowardly native
  03/21/26
Daniel Craig might've Ruined Bond. He's Gen X. and 5`10``. r...
Confused lavender location coldplay fan
  03/21/26
I think the problems were: (i) it came out 3 years later...
fear-inspiring place of business
  03/21/26
by the time perfect dark came out we were all playing counte...
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  03/21/26
People didn’t really play counter strike in early 2000...
Confused lavender location coldplay fan
  03/21/26
my memory is that tfc was king for maybe 18-24 months and th...
naked corn cake
  03/22/26
Cr. Tfc was the better game imo. CS was big with minorities ...
spruce self-absorbed idea he suggested
  03/23/26
Didn't Perfect Dark have you play as a woman who didn't have...
Hyperactive fanboi
  03/21/26
LTM loved it bc it was extremely Liberal
Confused lavender location coldplay fan
  03/21/26
She wears a cute frock in that one mission https://imgbb.com...
Exhilarant clown abode
  03/22/26
perfect dark was kind of ttt. there was so much hype about i...
Curious Ceo
  03/22/26
Also the difference between 1997 and 2000 was Huge. They use...
Confused lavender location coldplay fan
  03/23/26
anybody else play BZFlag
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Date: March 19th, 2026 5:11 PM
Author: Big Volcanic Crater Pisswyrm

Everyone played Goldeneye on the N64, which retroactively won the gen btw, but half these people don’t know about Perfect Dark.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49756200)



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Date: March 19th, 2026 5:21 PM
Author: racy well-lubricated house

Losers and Scumbags couldn't afford the N64 Expansion Pack

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/198275-perfect-dark/57132231

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49756236)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 1:36 PM
Author: Big Volcanic Crater Pisswyrm

Majora's Mask and Donkey Kong 64 also required it and they were popular

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49757675)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 1:48 PM
Author: spruce self-absorbed idea he suggested

Didn't it come with some game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49757717)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 9:45 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac Rehab Weed Whacker

I think it came with that Rogue Squadron Game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758956)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:10 AM
Author: Confused lavender location coldplay fan

it didn't iirc but that game benefited a lot from it. it was playable without it but didn't look good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758974)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 2:26 PM
Author: Confused lavender location coldplay fan

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/916387-nintendo-64/79549524

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49757818)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 9:48 AM
Author: effete razzmatazz tanning salon kitty cat



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758958)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 9:56 AM
Author: Seedy avocado whorehouse internal respiration

if you started jabbering about Perfect Dark and playing against the bots in multiplayer, you would self-out as a Loser playing by yourself. ask me how i know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49757073)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 2:33 PM
Author: Confused lavender location coldplay fan

Little do these people know they’re playing partially against bots on COD when people drop imho.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49757847)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 1:40 PM
Author: spruce self-absorbed idea he suggested

By the time perfect dark was out we had half life on pc plus dreamcast games and I remember smash bros being the better local multiplayer pick. I think people were tiring of 15 fps split screen controller fps gaming

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49757692)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 2:23 PM
Author: Dashing judgmental set pistol

This is cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49757804)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:36 AM
Author: Confused lavender location coldplay fan

System Link was getting a lot bigger during this time. my buddy used to have games in his Bonus Room with multiple PS1s and multiple TVs. another buddy was doing LAN parties.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759006)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 1:50 PM
Author: shaky razzle-dazzle headpube

Perfect Dark was just Goldeneye without the cool Bond shit, no point in it.

I think there was a Playstation The World Is Not Enough game that some people naively thought we be good that fell on its face

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49757722)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:30 PM
Author: Mind-boggling burgundy roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758320)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:31 PM
Author: Magical forum

That game sucked so much

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758322)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:41 PM
Author: glittery sienna main people

TWINE was on N64 too and I have very fond memories of playing it on local multiplayer, I'm sure you're thinking of SPS nightfire

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758340)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:46 PM
Author: Magical forum

The PlayStation TWINE was a horrible single player only game

I’m very fond of Nightfire multiplayer although the single player campaign was meh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758347)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:48 PM
Author: glittery sienna main people

Oh that's terrible, the campaign on N64 was enjoyable to me but I can see PlayStation controls and graphics messing that up. Of course the multiplayer was the main attraction too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758351)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:11 AM
Author: Confused lavender location coldplay fan

alien resurrection for PS1 was the premier console fps of that gen actually. nothing wrong with ps1 controls. dual analog, champ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758976)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 2:05 PM
Author: glittery sienna main people

PS1 didn't start with dual analog which is why it lost the gen. N64 analog was a game changer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759490)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 2:27 PM
Author: Confused lavender location coldplay fan

100,000,000k units shipped, champ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759547)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 3:47 PM
Author: glittery sienna main people

Nobody cares about numbers, everyone remembers the cultural impact. PS1 had Z.E.R.O. everyone has fond memories of Mario kart, GoldenEye, and DK64

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759708)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 4:12 PM
Author: racy well-lubricated house

Final Fantasy 7 ... zero cultural impact. lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759751)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 4:18 PM
Author: glittery sienna main people

You get one weird jrpg that only Nerds care about. Meanwhile don't of my best college memories revolve around beerio kart with hot sorority girls and my absolute boys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759758)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 4:36 PM
Author: racy well-lubricated house

Bro, I kept my games. I can physically look at the libraries. There were 10 or less N64 games worth owning. Aboit 60-80 PS1 games worth owning. Don't even try to pump up a system so bad that the release of "Quest 64" was treated as an event because it had nothing else.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759786)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 4:24 PM
Author: Confused lavender location coldplay fan

I mean the slate kind of got wiped clean in a way over the years. japanese games kind of caught a lot of flak during the Scum zeitgeist of the 360. then indies came. there are zoomers who have never played a japanese game, ever, if they're not into anime or something. The remake game which I bought with extreme millennial enthusiasm are selling about as well as Octopath Traveler or something. FF7 and JRPG's fall from grace is one of the many reasons PS1 lost the gen retroactively imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759771)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 4:38 PM
Author: racy well-lubricated house

"FF7 and JRPG's fall from grace"

The recent GOTY is a JRPG that imitates classic final fantasy games better than current final fantasy games do. Your move, Champ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759791)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 5:46 PM
Author: glittery sienna main people

"GOTY" as decided by GenX and elder millennial journos. Zoomers and Alpha have no concept of this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759952)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 5:52 PM
Author: racy well-lubricated house

Over 5 million copies sold. 96% positive steam rating. I think it's overrated but it was a commercial and critical success. Your move, AAA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759959)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 6:43 PM
Author: Confused lavender location coldplay fan

When I last looked at metrics FF7R showed a high % completing it and getting trophies and shit. Zeitgeist games like COE33 or Baldirs Gate 3 no matter how good they are had far less impact on those 5 million than you’d expect

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49760088)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 6:41 PM
Author: Confused lavender location coldplay fan

Um expedition 33 didn’t get accolades for its gameplay, like at all. It’s revered for basically existing and being Indie and offering a reprieve. The budget, you ask? The price, you ask?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49760084)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 5:56 PM
Author: Big Volcanic Crater Pisswyrm

makes no sense, anime is more popular than ever but jrpgs like FF and Dragon Quest have fallen. Although those "gacha" games are popular now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759970)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 6:45 PM
Author: Confused lavender location coldplay fan

DQ never really caught on in the west. The NES game did well but they didn’t try to keep it going consistently.

FF got roasted by Scumfuck opiate addicted westerners. Get in a Time Machine. 2007-2014 before shit started getting gay and zoomery, Scumfuck westerners, FPSs, and open worlds were EVERYTHING. Young millennials never really got into JRPGs. It’s a genre for people born like 1980-1989. FF13’s release and shitty review scores were a “your move, Japan 😏” moment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49760097)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 6:23 PM
Author: Odious anal boltzmann

NightFire was great, it just wasn't GoldenEye level of greatnest

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758431)



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Date: August 19th, 2026 1:25 AM
Author: ZoZo Society and Its Future

A lot of people were wiser by that point. The Tomorrow Never Dies game was the one that fooled a lot of people. It came out first and was even worse.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#50077441)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 2:18 PM
Author: Confused lavender location coldplay fan

It had a short haired female protagonist. You’re supposed to pretend she doesn’t have short hair or something. She looks like Jamie Lynn Curtis.

It was an ambitious game in some ways but the actual campaign is nothing special.

Any and all good will for n64 died in a slow fade after OOT’s release. It was competitive with PS1 early on but then just fell way way behind in 99 kind of like Xbox on the current gen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49757788)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:05 PM
Author: boyish fat ankles brunch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758265)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:39 PM
Author: racy well-lubricated house

Xbox was never in it this gen

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758335)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 6:25 PM
Author: Odious anal boltzmann

N64 was doomed the moment it decided to use cartridges when every other system was using CD's

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758434)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:56 AM
Author: Confused lavender location coldplay fan

This is reductive af imho. The N64 is a cut-down Silicon Graphics pipeline where you author the graphics front end in microcode on the RSP, schedule your own DMA against high-bandwidth but finicky RDRAM, and feed a z-buffered, perspective-correct rasterizer that expects you not to starve it. the cartridge isn’t the story, it’s a deterministic, memory-mapped, low-latency bus that lets you page world data in kilobyte slices with predictable timing which is something optical drives of the era simply cannot do without hiding it behind loads. what separated outcomes was whether a studio could operate a software-defined pipeline under tight memory. the teams that could produced contiguous worlds and stable 3D with minimal I/O theatrics; the teams that couldn’t preferred CD systems that trade control for bulk content.

Without Cartridges, you strip out what made it distinct. the system was built around immediacy and cartridges enabled that. swap in a CD drive and now you’re dealing with delays, buffering, and load-hiding tricks, so instead of tightening the experience you just make it feel like a worse PlayStation with bigger assets. more storage doesn’t fix the core tradeoffs. A CD-N64 is still a hard target because the difficulty is architectural, not media. you’re still feeding a microcode-driven front end and explicitly scheduling DMA against RDRAM; now you’ve just introduced optical I/O latency on top, so you’re buffering around seeks while trying not to stall the RSP/RDP pipeline. compared to the PlayStation, which offers a simpler, more fixed path, you’re still writing closer to the metal and paying for mistakes in stalls. and for 2D it’s still a mismatch. there’s no rich sprite pipeline; everything is textured quads through the 3D path with tiny TMEM and tight RAM. ports like SOTN, xenogears, X-Men vs. Street Fighter, or Mega Man X4 still require reworking asset formats, streaming, and rendering. more disc space doesn’t remove that friction. and I say this as someone who has been critical of Nintendo in the past.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759033)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 11:38 AM
Author: spruce self-absorbed idea he suggested

chatgpt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759088)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 2:27 PM
Author: Confused lavender location coldplay fan

it's all fucking true imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759546)



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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:46 PM
Author: spruce self-absorbed idea he suggested

Use your own words champ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49762735)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 2:25 PM
Author: Ruddy degenerate locus

Goldeneye was social

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49757812)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:27 PM
Author: Confused lavender location coldplay fan



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758315)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:32 PM
Author: gaped bbw death wish

Got into Time Splitters is that related?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758323)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:35 PM
Author: Confused lavender location coldplay fan

Only Low Losers played timesplitters. You had Halo and CS to choose from. You made your bed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758329)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:45 PM
Author: Mind-boggling burgundy roast beef

Which clique(s) gravitated toward Sim Cities versus Command and Conquers?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758344)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 5:48 PM
Author: spruce self-absorbed idea he suggested

Band kids

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758352)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 6:34 PM
Author: Confused lavender location coldplay fan

Simcity is liberal arts/Losers. C&C /RTS are Nerds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758454)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 6:41 PM
Author: gaped bbw death wish

I didn’t play some of those, mainly due to some prior stuff on this site called Heat.net

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758473)



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Date: March 20th, 2026 6:42 PM
Author: blue therapy



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Date: March 21st, 2026 9:27 AM
Author: Adulterous immigrant international law enforcement agency

Level design was a lot better in goldeneye. Perfect dark had some cool levels near the beginning but the second half maps were way way too large. It became tedious. Quick gun battles with tons of enemies in tight spaces are what made Goldeneye great and perfect dark sacrificed that for better graphics and larger spaces. That left less compute power for enemies on screen. Blood splatter was cool but aliens were boring enemies. Perfect dark’s extra features were cool (gun range, secondary weapon feature) but these are really minor elements compared to level design.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49758942)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:28 AM
Author: Confused lavender location coldplay fan

this is wrong. first of all you're right that the levels kind of sucked. but goldeneye had a couple of huge levels too with Severnaya. and if Streets were a perfect dark level where you drove an alien vehicle instead of a tank we'd probably be like "this sucks."

with that said, contemporaneously as an n64 kid, perfect dark was like "wow they have Voices, it's like PS1, Cartridges may have hope after all," plus high res graphics, black president so it was popular with Liberals like you. it was probably the most Liberal N64 game.

second whenever anyone discusses the goldeneye vs perfect dark question they're talking about the multiplayer. if you count all of the people who played goldeneye multiplayer for 25+ hours, a minority % actually owned and beat the game or spent any significant amount of time on single player. perfect dark had better multiplayer on paper but it was marginally better. there was no reason to switch. and the Scumbags who played goldeneye didn't want to play as a short haired Woman or an alien.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759000)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:56 AM
Author: Adulterous immigrant international law enforcement agency

The World is not Enough on n64 had Bond and all the characters from the movie and it sucked compared to goldeneye. Kind of silly to make this a lib vs con thing. Even the long levels in goldeneye were way smaller than perfect dark. Level design applies to multiplayer. Levels were too big in perfect dark. Better graphics also meant fewer enemies on screen which killed the fun gunfights in single player. The second half of perfect dark had levels that were 5x longer than goldeneye.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759032)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 11:15 AM
Author: Confused lavender location coldplay fan

I just played the decompiled perfect dark port on PC this month. the level after Air Force One crashes is big. there are a few big levels but not as many as you're remembering. others are pretty small. there's one on board air force one that's small. there are levels indoors in corridors and basements. there's a submarine level. The Area 51 level is big but it's all corridors, you can't really get lost in it too badly.

The late game levels with the aliens kind of suck. I mean they feel like some shit from a Quake or Turok game but not quite that shitty.

Anyway you're way overemphasizing the single player in any event. the single player was something you did in one shot like 5 hours by yourself. If you had fuck all to do and were alone you tried for the higher difficulties and cheats. But when people talk about 'goldeneye vs perfect dark' they are talking about the multiplayer. if you were a Loser with Loser Friends you put in like 25-100x more time into the multiplayer. thats what people are talking about. You were some sort of Liberal Only Child living in a Brownstone or a Tenement or something.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759051)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:33 AM
Author: Stimulating cuck

Bond is cool, girl with a gun not so much. I loved the Hacienda level though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759003)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 10:39 AM
Author: cowardly native

Seems not relevant now but Bond was very cool at the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759008)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 11:16 AM
Author: Confused lavender location coldplay fan

Daniel Craig might've Ruined Bond. He's Gen X. and 5`10``. really he seems like he might not even be 5`10```.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759053)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 3:53 PM
Author: fear-inspiring place of business

I think the problems were:

(i) it came out 3 years later - which is a lot of time. if you played it in sophomore year of high school with your friends, everyone was in college when the sequel came out

(ii) it's not a direct sequel - so there's a bit of a learning curve. it's not like mario kart where you can just pick it up console to console and use your favorite character doing basically the same strategy

(iii) Halo comes out a year later and people just play that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759716)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 4:32 PM
Author: naked corn cake

by the time perfect dark came out we were all playing counterstrike, team fortress classic, quake iii arena, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49759780)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 6:50 PM
Author: Confused lavender location coldplay fan

People didn’t really play counter strike in early 2000. CS was still in beta when PD released. Before like 1.3 I feel like team fortress was more popular. This is literally impossible to verify.

But still pc fps existed and this was before people got used to buying the same game over and over again. You also had PS1 doing well, Dreamcast making n64 look shitty too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49760101)



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Date: March 22nd, 2026 1:50 PM
Author: naked corn cake

my memory is that tfc was king for maybe 18-24 months and then counterstrike was more popular

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49761408)



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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:45 PM
Author: spruce self-absorbed idea he suggested

Cr. Tfc was the better game imo. CS was big with minorities for some reason

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49762734)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 6:52 PM
Author: Hyperactive fanboi

Didn't Perfect Dark have you play as a woman who didn't have huge, boxy tits? That's probably why the video game market back then, which was nothing but incense, didn't play it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49760106)



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Date: March 21st, 2026 7:06 PM
Author: Confused lavender location coldplay fan

LTM loved it bc it was extremely Liberal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49760134)



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Date: March 22nd, 2026 1:54 PM
Author: Exhilarant clown abode

She wears a cute frock in that one mission https://imgbb.com/JjZV1q9S

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49761426)



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Date: March 22nd, 2026 2:13 PM
Author: Curious Ceo

perfect dark was kind of ttt. there was so much hype about it everyone saying it was going to be the next goldeneye. I ended up getting it and it was some jank ass game you play 2 times and give up. I just didn't like it. It wasn't fun.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49761449)



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Date: March 23rd, 2026 1:43 PM
Author: Confused lavender location coldplay fan

Also the difference between 1997 and 2000 was Huge. They used to actually make games back then so it was like the whole industry and State of Gaming had changed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49762723)



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Date: March 23rd, 2026 2:40 PM
Author: Wine halford

anybody else play BZFlag

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5847643&forum_id=2#49762913)



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Date: August 19th, 2026 12:40 AM
Author: xo fed



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