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Just got head from girl that spits: Why?

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cocky fragrant boltzmann
  03/01/07
That's serious disrespect. Did you leave in disgust?
swashbuckling headpube
  03/01/07
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cocky fragrant boltzmann
  03/01/07
You better not call her back.
swashbuckling headpube
  03/01/07
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cocky fragrant boltzmann
  03/01/07
Fuck no. OTHER GIRLS would mock them in Texas.
swashbuckling headpube
  03/01/07
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cocky fragrant boltzmann
  03/01/07
I mean she's sending pretty clear signals she hates you. The...
swashbuckling headpube
  03/01/07
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cocky fragrant boltzmann
  03/01/07
Go down on her and by the time you finish or get bored it's ...
swashbuckling headpube
  03/01/07
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cocky fragrant boltzmann
  03/01/07
Fag. You can't whine then.
swashbuckling headpube
  03/01/07
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cocky fragrant boltzmann
  03/01/07
It's to reciprocate. What's not to get?
Mustard Nursing Home Coldplay Fan
  03/01/07
:D, why comment on shit you know nothing about? This isn't a...
Doobsian laser beams meetinghouse
  03/01/07
You need to buy them more stuff
Chocolate lodge
  03/01/07
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cocky fragrant boltzmann
  03/01/07
Are we being serious? I thought we were one-lining If we...
Chocolate lodge
  03/01/07
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cocky fragrant boltzmann
  03/01/07
oh. If she's just a random hook-up and you don't care t...
Chocolate lodge
  03/01/07
The polite thing is to warn her so she can get her mouth awa...
Mustard Nursing Home Coldplay Fan
  03/01/07
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cocky fragrant boltzmann
  03/01/07
I'm no expert, seeing as how I'm a guy and never sucked dick...
Appetizing orange feces
  03/01/07
That's a complete lie.
chrome toaster
  03/01/07
Yeah, this guy has clearly sucked dozens of cocks and swallo...
Splenetic histrionic persian
  03/01/07
120 for zero originality.
Appetizing orange feces
  03/01/07
Dooder you can't be original every time. ICE set it up, some...
Splenetic histrionic persian
  03/01/07
Be more specific, because I am actually a guy who has never ...
Appetizing orange feces
  03/01/07
It's one of those things chicks say to try to get out of swa...
chrome toaster
  03/01/07
No, I think you're wrong. I had a girlfriend who loved to g...
Appetizing orange feces
  03/01/07
Then maybe the problem is just with you. I agree with ICE, ...
Amethyst idea he suggested corner
  03/01/07
So you're saying that several girls who didn't know each oth...
Appetizing orange feces
  03/01/07
actually, i think that what she's saying is that if several ...
Pontificating market becky
  03/01/07
Gullible.
swashbuckling headpube
  03/01/07
Have you ever even got head from a girl?
Appetizing orange feces
  03/01/07
I have a really, really hard time beliving that cum gives so...
pink orchestra pit pozpig
  03/01/07
For me it's either swallow or don't get it into your mouth t...
Mustard Nursing Home Coldplay Fan
  03/01/07
This gives me a whole new insight into the spitting debate. ...
Curious Emerald Theatre Factory Reset Button
  03/01/07
"I always assumed people just spit it out, it never occ...
Amethyst idea he suggested corner
  03/01/07
The easy answer to this is for the girl to stop giving oral ...
ivory filthy regret
  03/01/07
Either this is flame or you're even more of a raging asshat ...
Amethyst idea he suggested corner
  03/01/07
What's wrong with this? I thought most girls did this inste...
ivory filthy regret
  03/01/07
To show his pwnage. I'm suprised they didn't finish on your ...
swashbuckling headpube
  03/01/07
So you'd just be pissed because you're not "pwning"...
ivory filthy regret
  03/01/07
It's like flowers and diamonds to women. Useless trinkets th...
swashbuckling headpube
  03/01/07
No, semen is fucking messy. It's a total bitch move to make...
Amethyst idea he suggested corner
  03/01/07
I've never like the idea of swallowing. I did it the first ...
ivory filthy regret
  03/01/07
"I did it the first time I gave a guy oral sex and it f...
swashbuckling headpube
  03/01/07
I was 18 or 19 at the time and didn't know any better. I al...
ivory filthy regret
  03/01/07
No offense, but you sound like a horribly unappealing sexual...
Silver parlor
  03/01/07
"He cums all over himself, goes to the bathroom, cleans...
Amethyst idea he suggested corner
  03/01/07
Why not just have a kleenex nearby?
Mustard Nursing Home Coldplay Fan
  03/01/07
That's a lot of Kleenex, and still a lot of extra work inste...
Amethyst idea he suggested corner
  03/01/07
Hold it over the tip while he's coming, and it won't go anyw...
Mustard Nursing Home Coldplay Fan
  03/01/07
There is no way you aren't flame. In the remote chance that ...
supple offensive knife principal's office
  03/01/07
she is SUCH an asshat I think she may be flame.
Curious Emerald Theatre Factory Reset Button
  03/01/07
I agree. Between her posts in this thread, and whatever tha...
Amethyst idea he suggested corner
  03/01/07
She's likely to be on the wrong end of a violent confrontati...
swashbuckling headpube
  03/01/07
I not only know girls who profess to do this every time, but...
Amethyst idea he suggested corner
  03/01/07
I hear head is the first thing to go in a LTR. The weening o...
swashbuckling headpube
  03/01/07
*throws up the I Agree With Idiots!!! batsignal*
Beady-eyed gaping
  03/01/07
Thats not very fratty. Stick with sororistutes.
ultramarine lay
  03/01/07
The OP gave me a raging boner.
Motley Ruby Electric Furnace
  03/01/07
not sure what the point of the spitting is, unfortunately ba...
Scarlet Clown
  03/01/07
Why not just keep a tissue by the bed so she can spit into t...
adventurous stage affirmative action
  03/01/07
the only place a cum-soiled tissue is going is in a chick's ...
fuchsia national tank
  03/01/07
my gf in hs did this my sophmore year once. afterwards i eit...
Charismatic Sable Queen Of The Night
  03/01/07
I am skeptical that this event even occured.
misunderstood idiot nowag
  03/01/07


Poast new message in this thread





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:14 AM
Author: cocky fragrant boltzmann



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689878)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:17 AM
Author: swashbuckling headpube

That's serious disrespect. Did you leave in disgust?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689889)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:19 AM
Author: cocky fragrant boltzmann



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689899)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:19 AM
Author: swashbuckling headpube

You better not call her back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689902)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:20 AM
Author: cocky fragrant boltzmann



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689904)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:21 AM
Author: swashbuckling headpube

Fuck no. OTHER GIRLS would mock them in Texas.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689907)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:22 AM
Author: cocky fragrant boltzmann



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689908)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:25 AM
Author: swashbuckling headpube

I mean she's sending pretty clear signals she hates you. The fact that there wasn't fucking afterwards seals your fate.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689913)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:27 AM
Author: cocky fragrant boltzmann



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689924)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:28 AM
Author: swashbuckling headpube

Go down on her and by the time you finish or get bored it's fuck time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689928)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:29 AM
Author: cocky fragrant boltzmann



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689930)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:35 AM
Author: swashbuckling headpube

Fag. You can't whine then.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689938)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:37 AM
Author: cocky fragrant boltzmann



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689941)





Date: March 1st, 2007 7:39 AM
Author: Mustard Nursing Home Coldplay Fan

It's to reciprocate. What's not to get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690094)





Date: March 1st, 2007 4:03 AM
Author: Doobsian laser beams meetinghouse

:D, why comment on shit you know nothing about? This isn't a thread about boning fat chicks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689978)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:20 AM
Author: Chocolate lodge

You need to buy them more stuff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689903)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:20 AM
Author: cocky fragrant boltzmann



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689905)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:24 AM
Author: Chocolate lodge

Are we being serious? I thought we were one-lining

If we are:

She just might have a problem with it that has nothing to do with you. You guys get close enough it might get mooted. But you need to figure out what's going on with her. There's no magic word that people on the board can tell you that'll make the chicks' swallow. I think sometimes chicks associate different things with certain sexual acts that guys "like".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689911)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:26 AM
Author: cocky fragrant boltzmann



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689921)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:27 AM
Author: Chocolate lodge

oh.

If she's just a random hook-up and you don't care then you need to get your game up to the point where you get what you want. I was thinking you wanted to marry someone who wasn't into stuff you liked

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689925)





Date: March 1st, 2007 7:38 AM
Author: Mustard Nursing Home Coldplay Fan

The polite thing is to warn her so she can get her mouth away and you can jizz all over yourself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690092)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:34 AM
Author: cocky fragrant boltzmann



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689935)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:44 AM
Author: Appetizing orange feces

I'm no expert, seeing as how I'm a guy and never sucked dick or swallowed cum, but I can say that some girls get stomach aches because of swallowing. The taste isn't what bothers them, its the after effects.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689952)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:45 AM
Author: chrome toaster

That's a complete lie.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689956)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:47 AM
Author: Splenetic histrionic persian

Yeah, this guy has clearly sucked dozens of cocks and swallowed every time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689958)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:48 AM
Author: Appetizing orange feces

120 for zero originality.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689961)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:50 AM
Author: Splenetic histrionic persian

Dooder you can't be original every time. ICE set it up, some one had to say it. Don't h8.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689963)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:48 AM
Author: Appetizing orange feces

Be more specific, because I am actually a guy who has never sucked dick and never swalled cum.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689959)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:49 AM
Author: chrome toaster

It's one of those things chicks say to try to get out of swallowing, like "I have a headache" to get out of sex or whatever.

The fact is, it is a very small amount of liquid, and it does not give them a stomachache. They use that as an excuse not to swallow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689962)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:52 AM
Author: Appetizing orange feces

No, I think you're wrong. I had a girlfriend who loved to give head and always swallowed. Basically, for the first month of our relationship, she'd go down on me at least once a day. She started getting bad stomach aches about this time and got worried I had some atomic semen. Trust me, it was my cum that caused the stomach aches.

This has happened with more than several girls too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7689968)





Date: March 1st, 2007 8:42 AM
Author: Amethyst idea he suggested corner

Then maybe the problem is just with you. I agree with ICE, I have never heard of this happening and very strongly doubt that it's actually true.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690125)





Date: March 1st, 2007 2:53 PM
Author: Appetizing orange feces

So you're saying that several girls who didn't know each other giving the same exact excuse is a coincidence? Ok!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7692052)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:11 PM
Author: Pontificating market becky

actually, i think that what she's saying is that if several different girls who don't know each other made the same comment then maybe there's something wrong with you/your jism.

Might want to get that checked out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7692154)





Date: March 1st, 2007 8:46 AM
Author: swashbuckling headpube

Gullible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690130)





Date: March 1st, 2007 2:58 PM
Author: Appetizing orange feces

Have you ever even got head from a girl?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7692089)





Date: March 1st, 2007 9:11 AM
Author: pink orchestra pit pozpig

I have a really, really hard time beliving that cum gives some girls stomach aches. If someone has told you this it was a lie to get out of swallowing.

But, to answer the original question, I don't know why a girl would spit instead of swallow. In order to go the bathroom to spit it out, she'd have to told it in her mouth for much longer than it would take to just gulp it down, which seems much worse than just getting it over with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690179)





Date: March 1st, 2007 7:42 AM
Author: Mustard Nursing Home Coldplay Fan

For me it's either swallow or don't get it into your mouth to begin with. If you spit, it's in your mouth longer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690095)





Date: March 1st, 2007 9:18 AM
Author: Curious Emerald Theatre Factory Reset Button

This gives me a whole new insight into the spitting debate. I always assumed people just spit it out, it never occured to me that someone would run to the bathroom. And I was always so puzzled by Rowan's "you keep it in your mouth longer when you spit"...

It does makes sense in an odd way: some people just don't want it inside of them. If you throw up, theoretically you could swallow it and taste bile for a shorter period of time but lots of people would take the time to spit it out in the bathroom. If you don't like something, you just don't like it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690202)





Date: March 1st, 2007 9:29 AM
Author: Amethyst idea he suggested corner

"I always assumed people just spit it out, it never occured to me that someone would run to the bathroom."

Same. The image of a girl running frantically to the bathroom to spit out a mouthful of semen is pretty hilarious, though.

However, if you swallow it right away, it doesn't taste like anything. There's no aftertaste.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690247)





Date: March 1st, 2007 9:24 AM
Author: ivory filthy regret

The easy answer to this is for the girl to stop giving oral sex before the guy can cum. This way, the girl doesn't need to think about spitting or swallowing because she never lets it get in her mouth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690229)





Date: March 1st, 2007 9:27 AM
Author: Amethyst idea he suggested corner

Either this is flame or you're even more of a raging asshat than I originally thought.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690239)





Date: March 1st, 2007 9:30 AM
Author: ivory filthy regret

What's wrong with this? I thought most girls did this instead of the spit/swallow option. You give him oral sex, stop doing it just before he cums so he doesn't cum in your mouth. He cums all over himself, goes to the bathroom, cleans himself off. Why is it so important for the guy to cum in the girl's mouth?

No guys have minded this, not even long-term boyfriends. They were just happy that they were getting head on a semi-regular basis.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690251)





Date: March 1st, 2007 9:31 AM
Author: swashbuckling headpube

To show his pwnage. I'm suprised they didn't finish on your face for being such a bitch.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690257)





Date: March 1st, 2007 9:32 AM
Author: ivory filthy regret

So you'd just be pissed because you're not "pwning" the girl by cumming in her mouth. Classy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690264)





Date: March 1st, 2007 9:34 AM
Author: swashbuckling headpube

It's like flowers and diamonds to women. Useless trinkets that make use happy. Ours is at least free so SUCK IT UP. HTH.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690272)





Date: March 1st, 2007 9:39 AM
Author: Amethyst idea he suggested corner

No, semen is fucking messy. It's a total bitch move to make him go through all that- not getting the full sensation of getting to cum in a girl's mouth, getting splooge all over himself, having to get up right away and clean himself off.

Plus if you really like him, why wouldn't you WANT to swallow?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690291)





Date: March 1st, 2007 9:58 AM
Author: ivory filthy regret

I've never like the idea of swallowing. I did it the first time I gave a guy oral sex and it felt dirty. I figure if I'm giving the guy oral sex to begin with, he should be grateful for that and not get mad at me if I don't swallow or spit. If he was a long-term boyfriend and really cared about this, I'd probably swallow. It's not a deal-breaker; just something I wouldn't do unless I really, really liked the guy and he brought it up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690380)





Date: March 1st, 2007 9:59 AM
Author: swashbuckling headpube

"I did it the first time I gave a guy oral sex and it felt dirty."

You sound secure.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690392)





Date: March 1st, 2007 10:01 AM
Author: ivory filthy regret

I was 18 or 19 at the time and didn't know any better. I always assumed girls swallowed after that. Then a girlfriend told me never to swallow because men think that's slutty, and never to spit because spitting is a turnoff, and if you don't get the semen in your mouth to begin with, you have much less risk of STDs. Somehow the advice stuck in my head.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690403)





Date: March 1st, 2007 10:31 AM
Author: Silver parlor

No offense, but you sound like a horribly unappealing sexual partner, who leaves his man desperately unsatisfied.

I normally don't participate in sex-talk threads out of a sense of propriety. Therefore, imagine how awful you have to be coming off for me to chime in.

EDIT: I'm also aware of the possibility you're well-executed flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690542)





Date: March 1st, 2007 9:37 AM
Author: Amethyst idea he suggested corner

"He cums all over himself, goes to the bathroom, cleans himself off."

I may as well copy and paste my first post about you being an asshat all over again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690286)





Date: March 1st, 2007 10:06 AM
Author: Mustard Nursing Home Coldplay Fan

Why not just have a kleenex nearby?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690432)





Date: March 1st, 2007 10:27 AM
Author: Amethyst idea he suggested corner

That's a lot of Kleenex, and still a lot of extra work instead of just having to wipe up one or two stray dribbles.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690531)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:17 PM
Author: Mustard Nursing Home Coldplay Fan

Hold it over the tip while he's coming, and it won't go anywhere. Isn't that what guys do when they masturbate?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7692200)





Date: March 1st, 2007 10:19 AM
Author: supple offensive knife principal's office

There is no way you aren't flame. In the remote chance that what you said is true you're a horrible, horrible person and you've never gone out with a real man if this was OK with every boyfriend you've ever had.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690493)





Date: March 1st, 2007 9:38 AM
Author: Curious Emerald Theatre Factory Reset Button

she is SUCH an asshat

I think she may be flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690290)





Date: March 1st, 2007 9:40 AM
Author: Amethyst idea he suggested corner

I agree. Between her posts in this thread, and whatever that other ridiculous thread was the other day (the one about "giving" yourself when you have sex), I think she may be a guy flaming.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690294)





Date: March 1st, 2007 9:27 AM
Author: swashbuckling headpube

She's likely to be on the wrong end of a violent confrontation if that were to happen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690241)





Date: March 1st, 2007 9:30 AM
Author: Amethyst idea he suggested corner

I not only know girls who profess to do this every time, but these girls also have long-term boyfriends.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690249)





Date: March 1st, 2007 9:31 AM
Author: swashbuckling headpube

I hear head is the first thing to go in a LTR. The weening off of sex is later and more gradual.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690254)





Date: March 1st, 2007 9:31 AM
Author: Beady-eyed gaping

*throws up the I Agree With Idiots!!! batsignal*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690255)





Date: March 1st, 2007 9:59 AM
Author: ultramarine lay

Thats not very fratty. Stick with sororistutes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690387)





Date: March 1st, 2007 10:32 AM
Author: Motley Ruby Electric Furnace

The OP gave me a raging boner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7690544)





Date: March 1st, 2007 2:54 PM
Author: Scarlet Clown

not sure what the point of the spitting is, unfortunately back when i actually got prolonged bjs from my g/f, she just got out of the way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7692060)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:09 PM
Author: adventurous stage affirmative action

Why not just keep a tissue by the bed so she can spit into that, instead of running to the bathroom?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7692139)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:33 PM
Author: fuchsia national tank

the only place a cum-soiled tissue is going is in a chick's mouth and into her tummy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7692319)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:14 PM
Author: Charismatic Sable Queen Of The Night

my gf in hs did this my sophmore year once. afterwards i either cummed on her face or tits. good times

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7692175)





Date: March 1st, 2007 3:27 PM
Author: misunderstood idiot nowag

I am skeptical that this event even occured.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588101&forum_id=2#7692274)