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Date: March 1st, 2007 5:44 PM Author: Topaz Halford From some of the other threads, it appears people are really worried about the new mod system. I wanted to start this thread so people can sort of air what specifically concerns them, and we can discuss ways to handle it.
I admit I appear to be coming from a very biased position, but I don't think this is a particularly big deal. In the past, I've IMed GTO a lot about people's names being posted, and he's had to delete them himself. This makes it so I can delete them immediately, and he can double-check the log afterwards to make sure everything is fine. If the deletion was in error, he can click "restore" and the thread pops back exactly as it was before. Beyond that, I can recategorize threads as on/off-topic.
If there is some specific abuse you guys are worried about, please share it here. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 5:45 PM Author: Mind-boggling awkward crackhouse Guys, post screen shots of what your "mod" screens look like.
That will address a lot of my reservations. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 5:46 PM Author: Topaz Halford I posted them over on the sticky.... which appears to now be de-stickied. Let me go find them, and I'll repost them here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693396) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 5:46 PM Author: lascivious temple I posted this somewhere else: To be completely serious, the obliqueness of xoxo's anti-outing policy worries me. Someone compiles the things Paulie Walnuts (who has, incidentally, outed other people) has posted about himself here, puts it on a webpage, and drops the link on xoxo. The webpage contains no name but the links get deleted by mods. Someone posts leakyjuicebox's real name, even though she's never revealed that information on this board, and you refuse to delete those threads. How does that make sense?
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Date: March 1st, 2007 5:48 PM Author: motley really tough guy This also worries me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693410) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 5:52 PM Author: Topaz Halford I think this is a completely reasonable concern, and something I have gone multiple rounds with GTO on IM. I think the anti-outing policy should be much more stringent (i.e., way more names deleted). He and Rachmiel disagree with me.
That said, I don't see this disagreement as impacting the modding system at all. I basically see my job as helping out when GTO isn't around to catch something. As best I can, I am going to apply GTO's outting policy (even though I, and many others, aren't particularly happy with it).
In that regard, I think the only difference with mods vs. without is that when people ARE outted in a way that GTO would normally delete their names, their name will get deleted faster. The policy itself doesn't change, just the speed of response.
And if we get overeager and delete something that GTO wouldn't, he can easily restore the thread/post to pre-deletion status. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 5:55 PM Author: lascivious temple I'm curious, what is GTO's outing policy? I know what he says it is, self outing excluded, if you out someone else, you don't get protected. However, as far as I can tell, someone who's never revealed their name here, and who hasn't outed anyone else, is covered by this policy, right? When you say you'll apply GTO's policy, how do you plan to do that? Do you protect those who are covered by its letter? Or just those GTO feels like protecting and doesn't have a grudge against? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693454) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 5:58 PM Author: Topaz Halford Basically, what I plan to do is ask GTO. For example, last night, when the Pauliewalnuts stuff occured, I IMed him and said "If this guy's name gets posted, do you want me to delete or let it go?" He said he would discuss it with Rachmiel and get back to me.
For a lot of posters, GTO has already drawn the line (e.g., you can't post sugarywitch's name), so this just skips the step of me IMing him and asking him to remove it (which I've done many times before). Now, I can go directly to deleting it.
Otherwise, I'll probably err on the side of caution. If I see a name posted that I've never seen before, I'll probably delete and then IM GTO immediately to let him know that I deleted it, and let him decide on whether to restore it or not. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:00 PM Author: Vigorous liquid oxygen last night? GTO made you a mod last night?
the List of Moderators thread is timestamped 2:55 PM
Date: March 1st, 2007 2:55 PM Author: Great Teacher Onizuka
The following people have been modded, in alphabetical order:
chancemeeting
Earl
Joe Caltech
MindTheGap
NYCFan
sugarywitch
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588304&forum_id=2#7692068) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:00 PM Author: Slate boyish orchestra pit twinkling uncleanness Wait a minute. How long have you been a mod? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693490) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:01 PM Author: Topaz Halford About 3 or 4AM last night. I was up with GTO helping him test stuff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693498) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:02 PM Author: maize pit jewess Wait... so his "nominate people to be mods" thing was a complete farce? He already knew who would be a mod? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693503) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:03 PM Author: Topaz Halford I was the only mod last night. And that is because I happened to be online and agreed to help him test out the system. I believe everyone else was modded this afternoon when the sticky was put up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693514) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:03 PM Author: Slate boyish orchestra pit twinkling uncleanness So all this nominate posters for moderators business was complete horseshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693513) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:04 PM Author: Topaz Halford I suppose it was for me. I don't think anyone else had mod powers until the sticky went up. And I only had them because I was helping him test it all out to make sure it worked.
All I did last night was a) recategorize a few threads and b) delete about 12 King of Ruckus floods. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:07 PM Author: Slate boyish orchestra pit twinkling uncleanness Oh, I have nothing against you or you as moderator. It's just kind of a sense of betrayal to find out that the process was a facade. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693541) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:10 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Turdskin Theatre Read GTO's OP in that thread again. He said, basically, "there are people I plan to appoint anyway." SRSLY, it's all there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693561) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:12 PM Author: Bonkers Mad Cow Disease Associate Yup:
"Just to be crystal clear, this isn't a popularity contest: if 100 people nominate WhitePride he still won't be made a mod, and if 100 people say to demod NYCFan he'll be a mod if he wishes to remain one. Similarly, there are a few people rachmiel and I are likely going to invite to be mods even if their names don't appear here because we know they are reliable and trust them to do a good job."
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588130&forum_id=2#7690068 |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:18 PM Author: maize pit jewess Except "that I plan to appoint" wasn't correct, since MTG had already been made a mod and we were only told as an after thought. He made it seem as though we had some choice in the matter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693614) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:22 PM Author: Bonkers Mad Cow Disease Associate "Just to be crystal clear, this isn't a popularity contest: if 100 people nominate WhitePride he still won't be made a mod, and if 100 people say to demod NYCFan he'll be a mod if he wishes to remain one. Similarly, there are a few people rachmiel and I are likely going to invite to be mods even if their names don't appear here because we know they are reliable and trust them to do a good job." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693651) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:24 PM Author: maize pit jewess I can read GTO. There is no need to continue reposting this post, which is extremely deceptive about what was actually going on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693663) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:10 PM Author: Bonkers Mad Cow Disease Associate The "process" was to get recommendations to supplement people I already had in mind. The post specifically said that it wasn't a popular contest and that I was going to make some people mods even if no one recommended them and refuse to make other people mods even if 100 people recommended them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693567) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:13 PM Author: Slate boyish orchestra pit twinkling uncleanness Stop it with the strawmen arguments. Just fucking stop it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693582) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:15 PM Author: Bonkers Mad Cow Disease Associate Strawman argument? Look at the original post:
"Just to be crystal clear, this isn't a popularity contest: if 100 people nominate WhitePride he still won't be made a mod, and if 100 people say to demod NYCFan he'll be a mod if he wishes to remain one. Similarly, there are a few people rachmiel and I are likely going to invite to be mods even if their names don't appear here because we know they are reliable and trust them to do a good job."
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588130&forum_id=2#7690068
It spells it out very clearly. You can find fault with me on some things here, but you can't say there wasn't disclosure. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:18 PM Author: Slate boyish orchestra pit twinkling uncleanness You didn't disclose that you had already decided on some posters, or who they were. Thus, the strawman. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693617) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:18 PM Author: maize pit jewess Exactly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693624) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:20 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Turdskin Theatre "Similarly, there are a few people rachmiel and I are likely going to invite to be mods even if their names don't appear here because we know they are reliable and trust them to do a good job."
SRSLY, are you going to try and parse this in such a way that it doesn't contradict what you're saying? |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:22 PM Author: maize pit jewess DUDE:
"Similarly, there are a few people rachmiel and I are likely going to invite to be mods even if their names don't appear here because we know they are reliable and trust them to do a good job."
DOES NOT EQUAL
"I have already appointed certain people moderators."
Why are you being so deceitful? |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:23 PM Author: Slate boyish orchestra pit twinkling uncleanness Are you Chinese? Is the difference between <going to> and <already did> as a verbal matter a linguistically foreign concept to you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693652) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:25 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Turdskin Theatre First, I am NOT aznaznazn. Them's fightin' words, buddy.
Second, yeah, but in this case, of what importance is that distinction? It's not like MTG was secretly lording it up as a THE MAD MODERATOR for weeks before...he was merely already given those privileges because he was helping test the software. As GTO makes clear, MTG was among those people who would have been a mod regardless of whether he was nominated or not. The fact that he got an early preview of that, simply for technical purposes, is pretty meaningless.
C'mon Vector...let me bribe you here: see reason on this point, and I'll post some more "ITT chancemeeting gives you free [X]" threads giving you the opportunity to pwn me mercilessly. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:27 PM Author: maize pit jewess Because GTO was intentionally being untruthful. He made it seem as though he was undecided about who would be appointed (though he already had some fore-runners in his mind) and that we would play a part in the decision making. The truth of the matter was that he had already made at least one person a mod and had decided who the rest of the mods would be (were any of the people he chose even nominated on that thread? (besides Joe from Caltech). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693683) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:30 PM Author: Slate boyish orchestra pit twinkling uncleanness >in this case, of what importance is that distinction?
Date: March 1st, 2007 5:07 PM Author: Vector (I stopped believing)
It's not just about what you do. How you go about it makes a huge difference. You don't appear to have grasped this concept yet.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588360&forum_id=2#7693080
>C'mon Vector...let me bribe you here: see reason on this point, and I'll post some more "ITT chancemeeting gives you free [X]" threads giving you the opportunity to pwn me mercilessly.
Hmmmmmmmmm. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:01 PM Author: lascivious temple See, the problem with this "policy" is that it's completely unprincipled. It needs to be applied mechanically, not with unbridled discretion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693493) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:02 PM Author: Topaz Halford I agree. I largely disagree with the policy too. But that's an argument we can all have with GTO/Rachmiel.
I've already had it several times over AIM with GTO. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:01 PM Author: maize pit jewess Do you know how certain posters (sugarywitch, pauliewalnutz) were chosen to be on GTO's "must protect" list and other posters for some reason were left off (leakyjuicebox, ruskie, J....) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693497) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:14 PM Author: Rusted antidepressant drug I have never outted myself or anyone, so I don't see how I compare to the other posters there. He had a really good reason not to out PW even though it was unusual. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693589) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:17 PM Author: lascivious temple LJB never outed anyone or revealed her name. Someone posts her real name. GTO lets the thread stick around because "she was mean to him at a meetup." Fair? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693608) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:18 PM Author: Bonkers Mad Cow Disease Associate Didn't out anyone? She posted the pics of ten xo posters against their will! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693626) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:23 PM Author: maize pit jewess This was not an outting.
First of all, that happened *before* the anti-outting policy was in place.
Two, people post pics of xoxo posters all the time. Supposedly only names count as an outting.
Three, if you considered her posting pics of xoxo posters that she met up with IRL three years ago an "outting", shouldn't she have been IP banned years ago? |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:28 PM Author: Bonkers Mad Cow Disease Associate "First of all, that happened *before* the anti-outting policy was in place."
Irrelevant.
"Two, people post pics of xoxo posters all the time. Supposedly only names count as an outting."
Wrong. Probably the most commonly deleted post this week were links to pics of sugarywitch.
"Three, if you considered her posting pics of xoxo posters that she met up with IRL three years ago an "outting", shouldn't she have been IP banned years ago?"
Why would we IP ban her for that? We almost never IP ban people, and I don't think we've IP banned anyone for only outing someone (though a few have been IP banned for outing and spamming, like Madame Cunt and LoreleiLee). |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:25 PM Author: carnelian round eye Reason not to out paulie walnuts? Also, this is unusual coming from you considering all the shit that he gave you. Something stinks about the whole t14/pauliewalnuts situation. It sure seems like GTO is hiding something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693665) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:01 PM Author: opaque knife idea he suggested Date: March 1st, 2007 5:58 PM Author: MindTheGap76
Basically, what I plan to do is ask GTO. For example, last night, when the Pauliewalnuts stuff occured, I IMed him and said "If this guy's name gets posted, do you want me to delete or let it go?" He said he would discuss it with Rachmiel and get back to me.
-------------------------------------------- WAITWAITWAIT...youve been a MOD for a while now secretly? WTF? |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:04 PM Author: wonderful wagecucks menage hahaha, this thread just got x100 better (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693523) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:03 PM Author: wonderful wagecucks menage "Otherwise, I'll probably err on the side of caution. If I see a name posted that I've never seen before, I'll probably delete and then IM GTO immediately to let him know that I deleted it, and let him decide on whether to restore it or not."
this is exactly the kind of discretion mods should not have. you've been a fair voice on the board (on non-Chicago matters), but people embroiled in board drama should not have the temptation of abusing their discretion, however slight their powers are |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:08 PM Author: Topaz Halford The point being that GTO will still be the absolute final word on everything. In cases where a mod deletes something GTO would have already deleted, it just occurs faster. In cases where a mod deletes something that GTO wouldn't have deleted, he can undo it with the push of a single button.
I've already argued with GTO a lot about his outting policy, and I think I have a general sense of what it entails. I don't think I'll be the perfect GTO-replica, but I don't think there is much risk of abuse of discretion. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 5:57 PM Author: carnelian round eye NYCFan, sugary and chancemeeting are too controversial to me moderators.
The concentration of Chicago posters sucks.
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:09 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Turdskin Theatre What, pray tell, is controversial about me? Surely it's not just my one silly spat with J. If that's all it is, rest assured that won't be a problem at all.
I like you dood, but I honestly think you're quibbling just because you've found something you think you can quibble over. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:11 PM Author: carnelian round eye Your overly dramatic. I agree with the second part of you last statement. I really don't give a shit either way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693572) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 10:30 PM Author: glittery twisted abode you fags are going to out people you don't like. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7695265) |
Date: March 1st, 2007 5:48 PM Author: Topaz Halford Subject: Mod Screenshots Some of you have been requesting screenshots of what it looks like to be a mod. Here is one of the main XO screen:
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/978/xomodyz5.jpg
Basically, the only differences are that a) on-topic threads are bold/off-topic threads are not and b) every thread has a d (for delete) and m (for move) next to it.
And here is one of a typical thread:
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/6434/xomodthreadhd1.jpg
The only difference here is that there is a delete button that can be used to kill posts. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 5:52 PM Author: Indecent Step-uncle's House my concern is i will no longer to be able to make threads about sugarywitch's ass eating skills. Please address this concern. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693433) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:09 PM Author: Topaz Halford As long as you don't flood the board with them or use her name, my understanding is that I shouldn't touch them. So fire away, you creepy ass-eater, you! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693559) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:14 PM Author: Indecent Step-uncle's House Date: March 1st, 2007 6:09 PM Author: MindTheGap76
As long as you don't flood the board with them or use her name, my understanding is that I shouldn't touch them. So fire away, you creepy ass-eater, you!
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Date: March 1st, 2007 10:52 PM Author: brilliant concupiscible garrison What was the point of this? He can delete this post anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7695418) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:16 PM Author: Rusted antidepressant drug I don't have any. Hovever, those threads wouldn't be delted unless you used my name. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693598) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:16 PM Author: Rusted antidepressant drug I don't have any. Hovever, those threads wouldn't be delted unless you used my name. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693603) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 5:52 PM Author: nudist school cafeteria telephone Post removed by moderator for violating The Law of The Land. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693437) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:18 PM Author: opaque knife idea he suggested HEY MODS! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693618) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 5:53 PM Author: wonderful wagecucks menage it's all in the other thread, go read it there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693446) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:00 PM Author: Topaz Halford I started to address it over there, then saw the thread was already completely bogged down. As a result, I started this new thread exclusively to deal with it. If you want something discussed over here, bring it over here. I want to try and carry on the conversation in one place. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693491) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:02 PM Author: wonderful wagecucks menage no, YOU go read it over THERE!
damn lazy mods, already abusing their powers |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:06 PM Author: Indecent Step-uncle's House please answer my concern above. Thank you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693532) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:05 PM Author: big house Can we get a Columbia mod? We are underrepresented. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693531) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:07 PM Author: Bonkers Mad Cow Disease Associate Hazelrah was offered but turned it down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693539) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:22 PM Author: opaque knife idea he suggested Im not sure its out he's a columbia student dood. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693645) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:29 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Turdskin Theatre It's thoroughly 'out,' dood. Don't you remember the "Cravath3L" threads, where he said he was ashamed of the people in his class like ColumbiaJD? He's made no secret of it, neither here nor on his "xoxoreader" blog. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693691) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:13 PM Author: Splenetic razzle-dazzle rigpig sweet tailpipe why isn't whokebe a mod? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693584) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:17 PM Author: Bonkers Mad Cow Disease Associate He is. He's three mods, actually. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693612) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:21 PM Author: Splenetic razzle-dazzle rigpig sweet tailpipe explain dood
how many of the posters on this thread are whokebe? |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:25 PM Author: Bonkers Mad Cow Disease Associate 14 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693668) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:16 PM Author: wonderful wagecucks menage the main 2 points from the other thread
3. limit the available discretion for people doing this. lay out clearly what they can do, and what the criteria for them doing it is. for example, what is spam? is it just when they feel things are getting crazy, or is it x posts in y minutes? what is outting? is it when they feel like someone's being outed, or is it a real first name, last name, or initials being posted? what about pictures? etc. it should be clear to everyone when and why a post/thread is being moved/deleted/whatever. transparency is your friend, not your enemy
4. most importantly in picking the Deckscrubbers, you need to find people that are a) not involved in board drama and thus wouldnt be tempted to abuse their powers, however slight, and b) give posters a voice in choosing/vetoing them. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:18 PM Author: Rusted antidepressant drug As far as I know all I can do is delete something I'm sure GTO would delete. If i could do more do you think the 8 trillion SW threads would still be there? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693619) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:20 PM Author: wonderful wagecucks menage i'm not picking on you (or any mod) individually, i'm explaining why people are upset with the implementation and how he could fix it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693633) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:20 PM Author: Bonkers Mad Cow Disease Associate Anyone want to volunteer to help write up some standardized criteria? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693636) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:23 PM Author: Indecent Step-uncle's House are you calling for an XOXO legislature? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693654) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:25 PM Author: wonderful wagecucks menage i'd also suggest, purely as an psychological matter, to call them something besides mods - eg. a whimsical name like GTO's deckscrubbers, makes the idea less threatening and gets the idea of what you're implementing across (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693666) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:35 PM Author: Bonkers Mad Cow Disease Associate Deckscrubbers sounds like a great name, I think I'll see if that will stick. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693731) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 10:52 PM Author: Spectacular Half-breed Legend decks aren't "scrubbed", they're "swabbed", dood. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7695423) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:26 PM Author: Topaz Halford Response to 3: I don't see perfectly defining spam as necessary. I'll delete stuff when it seems an excessive amount of space on the front page is being taken over by garbage. Last night, King of Ruckus made about 12 "Yeah niggah yeah!" threads in about 3 minutes. I deleted those. I'm not engaged in some sort of editorial censorship, just preventing board flooding. This isn't a change in policy, just a way for other people besides GTO to handle everything. I don't think you're going to find too much to complain about re: spam management.
As to the outting situation, I'll talk with GTO a bit more about it. I know his general stance on who gets protection and who doesn't, but I'm not sure if he considers, e.g., initials to be outting. Real names and pictures count.
Response to 4: I agree with this. I hope people consider me an okay choice for mod, since I don't think I've ever been meaningfully involved in board drama. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:29 PM Author: maize pit jewess Do you know which posters are protected from outting? For instance, if ljb asked that her name be removed, would you do it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693694) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:33 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Turdskin Theatre I for one would. I don't care if they've been outted in the past, if their names are already supposed "common" knowledge, I'd still delete it.
Okay, maybe you make an exception for pensive, but that's it. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:34 PM Author: maize pit jewess So you'd delete my name if it's posted again? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693723) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:46 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Turdskin Theatre Assuming it's up to me, I would.
EDIT: I've been made aware that you outted yourself over on the college board. Why you would have done such a silly thing is beyond me, but you're unprotected in that case. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:57 PM Author: maize pit jewess GTO says I posted my first name on the college board about three years ago. In any case, he's never shown where I post my last name. Some of the "outted" people gave out information about themselves, yet they are considered to have been outted.
The fact that GTO would contact you just to tell you this is evidence of how petty and spiteful he is. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:34 PM Author: Topaz Halford If I see a name I've never seen before, and it is clear that it is meant to be associated with an XO poster, I'll delete it and then let GTO know that I deleted it so he can make a final call. If he thinks it was incorrectly deleted, he can click restore.
(Assuming this isn't in a leadup to some huge XO catfight where the outted poster just moments before posted a bunch of other people's names).
EDIT: The place where GTO and I most disagree is for third parties that get dragged in and then blacklisted on google. For example, I would have deleted the Chicago 1L's name who had his journal posted (not the link to the journal, just the name). GTO wouldn't have. I'll apply GTO's policy. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:17 PM Author: Grizzly nighttime juggernaut can you all STFU about moderators? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693607) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:37 PM Author: Bonkers Mad Cow Disease Associate We're not talking about mods. This is a thread about deckscrubbers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693748) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:38 PM Author: Splenetic razzle-dazzle rigpig sweet tailpipe can you answer me below? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693756) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:35 PM Author: Splenetic razzle-dazzle rigpig sweet tailpipe if i make 3 nigger threads, and they are all properly posted under off topic, will they stay or be removed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693736) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:38 PM Author: Bonkers Mad Cow Disease Associate 3 would be fine as long as they're not followed by 3 more, and then another 3, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693757) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:39 PM Author: Splenetic razzle-dazzle rigpig sweet tailpipe it would only be ~1 a day. i just don't want this place to become a PC faghouse, otherwise there'd be no reason in posting here |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:40 PM Author: Topaz Halford No. We delete flooding, not offensiveness. As long as you aren't bombing the front page with them, we'll let them sink away unnoticed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693773) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:42 PM Author: Splenetic razzle-dazzle rigpig sweet tailpipe ok, cool. i wouldn't do 20 nigger threads but i'd like to get at least one in a day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693786) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 11:12 PM Author: lemon office psychic This made me laugh for some reason (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7695610) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 11:46 PM Author: bateful market new version me too. he lives and loves in god's peculiar light. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7695837) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:36 PM Author: Splenetic razzle-dazzle rigpig sweet tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693738) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 6:36 PM Author: Splenetic razzle-dazzle rigpig sweet tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7693739) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 10:15 PM Author: Topaz Halford bump (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7695167) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 10:24 PM Author: Black seedy stead messiness why are pictures of sugary deleted, especially new ones taken from her myspace?
edit: note i never post her name |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 10:28 PM Author: Topaz Halford Ask GTO. I assume it is considered outting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7695247) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 10:31 PM Author: glittery twisted abode please state your understanding of the board's outting policy and where you got that understanding from. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7695271) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 10:33 PM Author: Topaz Halford The only protected individuals are XO posters. Non-XO posters who have their names posted here cannot have their names deleted.
If an XO poster's name is posted, it will be deleted with two exceptions: 1) if that poster has outted him or herself; 2) if that poster has previously outted other posters.
Discussions over AIM with GTO. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 10:36 PM Author: glittery twisted abode how do you know whether they are non-xo posters?
what, specifically constitutes "outting him or herself"? |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 10:44 PM Author: stirring volcanic crater hell I think by "no protection for non-xo posters," it means nobody is going to stop a poster from saying e.g. the Asian Penn 1L chick with the huge rack is Jiamie Chen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7695368) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 10:39 PM Author: Black seedy stead messiness does continued posting of a well-outed xoxo-poster's pic constitute "previously outt[ing] other posters?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7695333) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 10:45 PM Author: Topaz Halford These are issues for GTO to deal with. If I see "John Smith AKA kibitzer is a douchebag" I'm deleting unless I've previously seen kibitzer posting peoples names. If I see "John Smith, 1L at GULC, is a douchebag" I'm leaving it alone.
GTO gets to deal with the tough cases. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 10:42 PM Author: lake goal in life The gray area that accompanies both exceptions is what gets people so annoyed. Honestly, this outing policy sounds like it was concocted by two utter morons...oh right. Carry on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7695354) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 10:45 PM Author: Topaz Halford I agree that the outting policy is dumb. I'm not making the outting policy, I'm just helping GTO enforce it. For 99% of the time, that means deleting sugarywitch's name when it is posted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7695375) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 10:49 PM Author: maize pit jewess Why is sugarywitch entitled to such protection? I don't have anything against her, but it seems like GTO is on some crusade to protect one of his favorites, the rest of the board be damned. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7695399) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 10:51 PM Author: Topaz Halford Because she never gave outting details of herself and never outted anyone else?
I don't know. As I've repeatedly said, I'm not hear to defend the policy. I'm here to add another eye to the site, which is mostly a lot of mundane reclassifying. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 10:54 PM Author: maize pit jewess It just seems odd that GTO would put all of this into motion to protect one poster. He seems to have no regard for other posters who have been in the same position in the past. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7695448) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 11:17 PM Author: Rusted antidepressant drug "It just seems odd that GTO would put all of this into motion to protect one poster."
Yeah it does. SO maybe your assumption that he's doing that is wrong. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 11:25 PM Author: maize pit jewess "For 99% of the time, that means deleting sugarywitch's name when it is posted."
I'm just going by what MTG, one of the mods, said. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2007 3:01 AM Author: Topaz Halford Not that it matters, since it appears that I don't have mod powers any more, but that was quite clearly not to be taken literally. The point being that of the protected folks, hers is the name most frequently posted and therefore one of the few recurring justifications for thread deletion.
I would of course delete other people's outted names, but that doesn't tend to happen very often.
You don't need to be intentionally dense. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2007 9:53 AM Author: maize pit jewess I wasn't being "intentionally dense."
It wasn't obvious that you were joking. GTO is obviously very committed to protecting sugary. I can't think of any other poster that he has devoted so much time to. I don't think it was ridiculous to think that you were being serious when you said that most of the time, you'd be deleting her name.
God... this is why people think you're a pompous ass. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 10:47 PM Author: citrine state Can you explain why the name posting of NYCFan's daughter was censored? Some poster was posting it earlier and it was being deleted left and right.
I don' think she's an xoxo poster. I see hypocrisy and a double standard. |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 10:48 PM Author: Topaz Halford I'm not going to defend GTO/Rachmiel's outting policy. I think it is wrong on a number of counts, and I've told GTO that multiple times. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7695392) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 10:53 PM Author: glittery twisted abode here's the article: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/sioncampus/02/16/ghostriding/index.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7695442) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 10:59 PM Author: citrine state thanks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7695498) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 10:50 PM Author: brilliant concupiscible garrison Wait, MindtheGap and Sugary are the biggest fucking losers on this board. If they are running shit I'm not going to post anymore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7695407) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 11:18 PM Author: Rusted antidepressant drug We aren't running anything, could you guys over react more? IF we do anything GTO doesn't like it goes back to what he would have done. If we do it too much we are out. Not a huge deal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7695654) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 11:29 PM Author: brilliant concupiscible garrison How about you go fuck yourself? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7695739) |
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Date: March 1st, 2007 11:58 PM Author: soul-stirring therapy piazza Finally a reasonable post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7695913) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2007 3:03 AM Author: canary arousing legal warrant I like you, but I'm sorry, you are not worthy of MOD status. Period. Only NYCFan is smart enough, prestigious enough and honorable enough to deserve mod status. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7696823) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2007 3:17 AM Author: Topaz Halford You're probably right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7696842) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2007 3:18 AM Author: canary arousing legal warrant The fan is the greatest poster to have ever posted on any board in the history of the internet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#7696844) |
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Date: March 7th, 2008 9:50 AM Author: heady station puppy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=588474&forum_id=2#9443024) |