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$20k to blow on a watch. Make suggestions. No Rolexes or Omegas.
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Date: September 13th, 2025 2:58 AM Author: concupiscible senate weed whacker Go. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49262512) |
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Date: September 13th, 2025 2:59 AM Author: bearded orchid really tough guy buy wifey a cartier watch https://luxurylaunches.com/celebrities/phoebe-gates-wears-a-cartier-watch-09082025.php (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49262513) |
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Date: September 13th, 2025 3:03 AM Author: concupiscible senate weed whacker My wife has the small version of the stainless steel Ballon Bleu, a Tank with the red dial and gold case and a solid gold Pasha. I also have a $1k Cartier fountain pen and a two tone Santos for me. I think Im done giving them money.
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Date: September 13th, 2025 9:05 AM Author: lavender sexy fat ankles Are you Asian? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49262766) |
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Date: November 6th, 2025 4:35 PM Author: Domesticated church building it's ARE Reptile. IIRC he is a jew from Staten Island or Brooklyn who works in compliance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49408030) |
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Date: November 8th, 2025 7:14 PM Author: coral sticky ladyboy faggot firefighter (Jew from NJ) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49413223) |
Date: September 13th, 2025 4:06 AM Author: Thriller bright wagecucks Vacheron Overseas Chrono. I like the blue. There’s one in the US on chrono24 for 19,999 right now. 2017. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49262568) |
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Date: November 6th, 2025 6:43 PM Author: carnelian talented field This but non-chrono and I would prefer not blue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49408426) |
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Date: November 6th, 2025 6:51 PM Author: Domesticated church building I have a gen2 and a gen3 Overseas, the blue dial gen3 is the best dial choice for the current gen by a lot IMO. The VC Overseas blue is up there with the FPJ Chronometre Bleu, some Moser and (IMO) Arnold & Son dials as the prettiest blue in the game. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49408455) |
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Date: November 8th, 2025 3:50 AM Author: carnelian talented field Not a blue watch guy is all. I have green eyes so I like black dial (or green dial).
Buy an overseas is on my short list (assuming my AD does not come through with the full diamond Daytona). |
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Date: November 8th, 2025 11:28 AM Author: Domesticated church building As someone suggested downthread, I think the Glashutte Panomatic Lunar with green dial is one of the nicest greens out there. For me the Overseas green just falls a little flat. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49412328) |
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Date: November 8th, 2025 7:11 PM Author: carnelian talented field I want a John Mayer Daytona. The original one, not the new one with the sub dials. My partner has one but he won’t sell it to me.
Overseas is black dial best for me. Actually all VC I like black or white dial.
Edit: I’d also do a MK1 Kermit even though I hate cyclops date Rolex. |
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Date: September 13th, 2025 4:35 AM Author: Coiffed mood parlour https://konstantinchaykin.com/collections/watches/Classic-watches/karpe-diem/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49262590) |
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Date: September 13th, 2025 4:50 AM Author: aphrodisiac den why would you spend that on a watch? To tell the time? no. Because you are so insecure you want others to think you are rich? LOL loser. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49262608) |
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Date: September 13th, 2025 8:15 AM Author: Spectacular plaza This isn’t necessarily why someone would buy an expensive watch (although I wouldn’t do so because I don’t even wear a watch), but you’re responding to Are Reptile who constantly tries to flex on here like he’s rich. (He is not rich, he’s an in house lawyer in manhattan) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49262687) |
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Date: November 5th, 2025 2:47 PM Author: federal sepia lettuce nursing home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49404504) |
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Date: September 13th, 2025 8:10 AM Author: Brindle sadistic hospital travel guidebook I wouldn't spend that much on your first watch.
But if you are, I guess you have to get a luxury steel sports watch of some sort because its the most popular and versatile style right now.
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Date: September 13th, 2025 9:26 AM Author: Vigorous topaz menage Pretty sure op is are reptile who has a bunch of nice watches already (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49262796) |
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Date: September 13th, 2025 8:25 AM Author: Mind-boggling principal's office gunner Lange
https://www.the1916company.com/pre-owned/a-lange-and-sohne/saxonia/saxonia-381.032/ |
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Date: September 13th, 2025 9:28 AM Author: provocative school cafeteria jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49262809) |
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Date: November 5th, 2025 2:40 PM Author: Domesticated church building I have the Saxonia thin white gold with copper blue dial it’s 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49404478) |
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Date: September 13th, 2025 8:34 AM Author: Bull headed white hall prole Rolex or Omega or VTI (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49262704) |
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Date: September 13th, 2025 8:53 AM Author: titillating preventive strike What's wrong with Rolex? But you can get one of these on the lower end...https://www.overstock.com/Jewelry-Watches/Breguet-Classique-WG-Mens-Watch-BLACK-CROC-SILVER-Dial/43193004/product.html (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49262741) |
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Date: September 13th, 2025 8:56 AM Author: Histrionic Theater IMO you’re jewish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49262750) |
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Date: November 5th, 2025 1:07 PM Author: beady-eyed glassy rehab scourge upon the earth Octo Finissimo titanium + ti bracelet Santos-Dumont with rose gold / peacock dial IWC Double Chrono Top Gun Ceratanium Zenith Defy Skyline Chrono 160th AE Patek Calatrava 5296G (preowned) |
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Date: November 5th, 2025 2:41 PM Author: Domesticated church building Has Bulgari changed the specs on the ti? I copped the polished steel because it’s 10bar/screwdown crown so can swim. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49404488) |
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Date: November 5th, 2025 4:00 PM Author: beady-eyed glassy rehab scourge upon the earth Nah but Cartier just dropped a ti + ti Santos (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49404715) |
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Date: November 5th, 2025 4:02 PM Author: beady-eyed glassy rehab scourge upon the earth The new titanium UFA from GS supposedly has a much improved bracelet/clasp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49404719) |
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Date: November 5th, 2025 5:12 PM Author: Domesticated church building I have SBGA443 on titanium and honestly always found the bracelet/clasp to be comfortable but I know many hate them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49404880) |
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Date: November 6th, 2025 6:26 PM Author: beady-eyed glassy rehab scourge upon the earth That one is classic and probably sought after equally or more than the new ones.
Dial exclusivity matters way more for GS than anything imho.
I'm debating SBGA413 vs speedmaster as a gift for someone |
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Date: November 6th, 2025 6:36 PM Author: Domesticated church building I feel like a Speedy is a must in any collection and should be more of a base piece before expanding out to something like GS unless they're Japan obsessed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49408396) |
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Date: November 6th, 2025 6:39 PM Author: beady-eyed glassy rehab scourge upon the earth Agreed normally, but what if his only watch now is a Seiko diver? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49408405) |
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Date: November 6th, 2025 6:51 PM Author: Domesticated church building Same answer, he can wear the Seiko swimming and now he'll also have a chrono. Not enough variety to just have a Seiko and a GS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49408461) |
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Date: November 5th, 2025 1:20 PM Author: provocative school cafeteria jap lange (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49404207) |
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Date: November 5th, 2025 1:21 PM Author: insecure house 200 Swatches of different sizes and colors (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49404209) |
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Date: November 5th, 2025 1:24 PM Author: Passionate water buffalo 1920 German Mickey Mouse with original leather band, worn by a member of the SS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49404220) |
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Date: November 5th, 2025 1:28 PM Author: beady-eyed glassy rehab scourge upon the earth https://www.theguardian.com/film/2011/may/18/lars-von-trier-cannes-2011-nazi-comments (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49404228) |
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Date: November 5th, 2025 1:31 PM Author: territorial messiness something from glashutte original, maybe a panomaticlunar is the only non-rolex worth buying new in this price range
hth
https://www.moyerfinejewelers.com/collections/glashutte-original-panomaticlunar?gad_campaignid=18197202419 |
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Date: November 5th, 2025 2:41 PM Author: Domesticated church building Those are 6-8k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49404491) |
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Date: November 5th, 2025 3:38 PM Author: territorial messiness i'm responding with list price choices, you're quoting a dealer discounted price on the lower end / $12k models.
this one is not 6-8k
https://www.moyerfinejewelers.com/collections/glashutte-original-panomaticlunar/products/glashutte-original-panomaticlunar-anniversary-edition-limited-edition-1-92-14-01-03-61 |
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Date: November 6th, 2025 4:36 PM Author: Domesticated church building aventurine is 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49408035) |
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Date: November 5th, 2025 1:32 PM Author: Coiffed mood parlour Swatch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49404240) |
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Date: November 5th, 2025 2:35 PM Author: Passionate water buffalo vintage, worn by SS officer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49404460) |
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Date: November 5th, 2025 3:03 PM Author: Lascivious sooty queen of the night theatre https://us.chronoswiss.com/en/pulse-one-blue-ch-6823t-blsi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49404538) |
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Date: November 5th, 2025 3:33 PM Author: Lascivious sooty queen of the night theatre https://www.chrono24.com/corum/corum-golden-bridge-43-titanium-dlc-art-deco-ref-11395595f371-ca59g--id24160634.htm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49404626) |
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Date: November 5th, 2025 4:48 PM Author: beady-eyed glassy rehab scourge upon the earth https://www.bulgari.com/en-us/watches/mens/octo-finissimo-watch-titanium-blue-104005 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49404813) |
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Date: November 6th, 2025 7:14 PM Author: Lascivious sooty queen of the night theatre I like the back. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49408550) |
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Date: November 7th, 2025 1:01 PM Author: Domesticated church building Octo has a beautiful movement (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49410009) |
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Date: November 9th, 2025 8:39 PM Author: Lascivious sooty queen of the night theatre (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49415238) |
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Date: November 5th, 2025 4:48 PM Author: Maize dog poop background story Casio Calculator Watch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49404815) |
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Date: November 5th, 2025 7:50 PM Author: territorial messiness bill gates wears a casio duro, can be had for like $60 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49405378) |
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Date: November 5th, 2025 4:48 PM Author: Offensive Jewess Codepig https://www.zenith-watches.com/en_us/product/chronomaster-sport-03-3100-3600-69-m3100 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49404817) |
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Date: November 6th, 2025 1:05 PM Author: beady-eyed glassy rehab scourge upon the earth I almost got that but the bracket/clasp is supposedly shitty vs Omega, Rolex etc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49407393) |
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Date: November 6th, 2025 4:38 PM Author: Domesticated church building I think a lot of that is overblown internet whining. I haven't tried that model on, but I have a Zenith Defy 21 El Primero Ultraviolet and people cry about the clasp on that being so uncomfortable they can't wear it. Has never struck me as the slightest bit uncomfortable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49408040) |
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Date: November 6th, 2025 4:54 PM Author: rusted ticket booth community account i've noticed a thing common to all forms of collecting where a known reviewer will exaggerate a very minor perceived flaw or preference. It will be totally inconsequentia for example a knife handle not being adequately contoured and the reviewer labeling it a "hotspot" that painfully digs into your hand if you try to use it.
People then latch onto these mantras to sound like they know what they are talking about or to dismiss a product that competes with their preferred brand or model. |
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Date: November 6th, 2025 6:36 PM Author: Domesticated church building sad! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49408399) |
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Date: November 6th, 2025 4:48 PM Author: rusted ticket booth community account i'm not crazy about the chronomaster sport with the big thick bezel. In that price range I'd much rather get the chronomaster original moonphase. I think it looks better without the bezel and the added calendar and moonphase give it an element of elegance.
https://www.zenith-watches.com/en_us/product/chronomaster-original-triple-calendar-03-3400-3610-39-c910 |
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Date: November 6th, 2025 6:37 PM Author: beady-eyed glassy rehab scourge upon the earth I'll take a bezel any day over a bunch of tiny fixed numbers arranged in circles (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49408401) |
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Date: November 6th, 2025 8:29 PM Author: rusted ticket booth community account pro tip, you aren't going to use either so get the one that looks nicer (i.e. the one i linked to). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49408749) |
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Date: November 7th, 2025 1:58 AM Author: beady-eyed glassy rehab scourge upon the earth The titanium sport with bezel looks the best
This older 42mm el primero (or the aluminum black panda) is a better version of the dial you like imo
https://www.jomashop.com/zenith-watch-51-2080-400-69-c494.html |
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Date: November 8th, 2025 8:28 PM Author: rusted ticket booth community account Disagree. I prefer the current 38mm version. I think the bold lines on the subdials ruin the predecessor oafish 42mm version. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49413347) |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 10:17 PM Author: beady-eyed glassy rehab scourge upon the earth 42mm is lighter and thinner (aluminum or ceramic vs steel)
I think the date spread out in 3 different locations on yours (and bottom not vertically aligned or at 6 o'clock) ruins the entire thing. The moonphase is cool but unnecessary for an El Primero and Omega does those way better |
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Date: November 6th, 2025 4:48 PM Author: fuchsia laughsome sandwich giraffe fancy watches are nigger (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49408074) |
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Date: November 6th, 2025 6:37 PM Author: contagious box office $NICE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49408402) |
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Date: November 6th, 2025 8:32 PM Author: slippery dilemma i can't imagine ever being wealthy enough to buy any watch at all (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49408756) |
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Date: November 6th, 2025 8:32 PM Author: Domesticated church building I mean an F-91 is like $12. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49408758) |
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Date: November 6th, 2025 8:35 PM Author: slippery dilemma not knowing the time is free (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49408765) |
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Date: November 6th, 2025 8:36 PM Author: Domesticated church building can you even call yourself an autist if you're not into watches even a little bit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49408767) |
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Date: November 7th, 2025 1:22 PM Author: charcoal gaped site indirect expression (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49410060) |
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Date: November 6th, 2025 8:44 PM Author: Yapping iridescent boltzmann macaca (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49408785) |
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Date: November 7th, 2025 8:59 AM Author: vivacious costumed foreskin national How about nice Russian watch? https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Yf4AAOSwntJn6uuC/s-l1600.png $13,500 buy it now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49409380) |
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Date: November 7th, 2025 1:08 PM Author: useless multi-colored mediation $20k is a no-mans land budget for a nice (new) watch: anything nice by vc/ap/patek is $25k+ and below that you might as well just get a rolex or omega if you want a sports watch.
i guess i'd get a Blancpain Fifty Fathoms |
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Date: November 7th, 2025 1:10 PM Author: Domesticated church building You can get those new unworn fullset for 11-12k though. That will be my next dive watch. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49410025) |
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Date: November 7th, 2025 1:13 PM Author: useless multi-colored mediation i was talking new at retail. with tariffs they're $20k now (which is insane btw) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49410033) |
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Date: November 7th, 2025 1:14 PM Author: Domesticated church building The last time I was in a Blancpain boutique, which was admittedly a few years ago the guy there said he would discount from MSRP to the same 11-12k level (was in TTTSEF Dubai). Maybe things have changed. 20k for that is LJL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49410036) |
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Date: November 7th, 2025 1:22 PM Author: Vigorous topaz menage I make you special deal, my friend. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49410058) |
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Date: November 7th, 2025 1:27 PM Author: Domesticated church building I make very nice watch for you, special price (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49410066) |
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Date: November 8th, 2025 4:35 AM Author: Big Internet-worthy Location Genital Piercing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49411859) |
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Date: November 7th, 2025 2:03 PM Author: beady-eyed glassy rehab scourge upon the earth They made their swatch collabs look way too good
I lost interest in getting a real FF after installing aftermarket integrated rubber straps
https://imgur.com/a/zGKGo3M |
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Date: November 8th, 2025 11:29 AM Author: Domesticated church building I just assume the plastic collabs will disintegrate in like 2 years max. Also even though obv i’m relying on the dive computer I wear a diver on my other wrist as a double backup just in case. Not sure how WR is on the collabs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49412329) |
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Date: November 9th, 2025 9:30 PM Author: territorial messiness it's like 50m or some shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49415412) |
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Date: November 9th, 2025 8:08 AM Author: carnelian talented field I never wear mine. Too big and gaudy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49413846) |
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Date: November 9th, 2025 10:30 AM Author: Domesticated church building You’re saying a fifty fathoms, a black bezel, black dial dive watch on a sailcloth strap is too gaudy for you to wear, in the same thread you say you want a diamond encrusted Rolex? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49414010) |
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Date: November 10th, 2025 12:10 AM Author: carnelian talented field Yes, yes I am. The FF is 45mm and thick. The Daytona is 40mm and thinner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49416032) |
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Date: November 8th, 2025 11:32 AM Author: Twinkling resort titanium apple watch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49412332) |
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Date: November 8th, 2025 11:46 AM Author: Domesticated church building Personally i’d rather wear a $5 digital quartz than something that has to be plugged in rvery day and blasts screenmsgs to your wrist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49412361) |
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Date: November 8th, 2025 12:17 PM Author: Twinkling resort charging gets routine especially with a 3x wireless charging stand--I just drop my watch on it before I shower and it's fully charged by the time I'm dressed.
there are 180 apps for golf or skiing in your case that give actual useful HUD info. I can change spotify songs without pulling out my phone, or respond to texts. I would never use a normal watch again tbh |
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Date: November 9th, 2025 8:10 AM Author: carnelian talented field Why are there not any high end watches with tritium tubes? I bought a Luminox on extreme discount (it was $120 for the carbonox aka plastic field watch) and I have to say being able to read it at night is very nice so I don’t open my phone to know what time it is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49413848) |
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Date: November 9th, 2025 8:11 AM Author: French base halford Because nobody is buying a 20k watch for practicality of actually telling time? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5773682&forum_id=2.#49413849) |
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Date: November 9th, 2025 9:26 PM Author: concupiscible senate weed whacker My collection currently consists of
1. Lange 1815 chronograph in the 402 series ($45000 used) 2. Two tone Rolex submariner ($15k bought in Venice on honeymoon) 3, Jaeger Master Ultra Thin Perpetual black dial ($20k) 4. Blancpain Bathyscaphe ceramic 5000-0130 ($6k off eBay from a gazillionaire who got to as a Christmas gift, hated it and sold it next day. Always check eBay the day after Christmas). 5. Blancpain 5000-0240 — same watch but in blue - $9500 off Chrono24. 6. Grand Seiko Snowflake $6500 off eBay again 7. Grand Seiko SBGA429 $4800 off eBay 8. Jaeger Memovox 40mm - $9500 from the 1916Company. 9. Omega Silver Snoopy moon watch $14500 off eBay 10. Cartier Santos quartz two tone from 1999. High school graduation gift. 11. Patek Ellipse blue dial produced in 1984. $19500 from 1916Company. 12. Casio G—Shock 5600 Coca Cola watch $388 off eBay. 13. Weiss 38mm field watch with blue dial $3k. 14. Various Swatch watches (over two dozen including most of the Simpsons watches) 15. Various other G-Shocks (5 or 6).
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