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is Greg 'The Professor' Maddux the most underrated pitcher of all time?

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Coral resort indirect expression
  04/05/26
Underrated by whom? He’s revered
Vibrant bearded step-uncle's house
  04/05/26
how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?
Coral resort indirect expression
  04/05/26
He's undoubtedly top 3
Razzle stag film
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan? Randy Johnson?
Coral resort indirect expression
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind to...
Vibrant bearded step-uncle's house
  04/05/26
honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name ...
Coral resort indirect expression
  04/05/26
Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order: Maddux Joh...
Razzle stag film
  04/05/26
cr but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or ...
Coral resort indirect expression
  04/05/26
Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO
Razzle stag film
  04/05/26
all 3 above above ryan?
Coral resort indirect expression
  04/05/26
pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete...
racy chocolate mad-dog skullcap public bath
  04/05/26
Clemens had the best career of anyone in that era if we igno...
Judas Jones
  06/04/26
Hard to say but he’s up there for sure
Vibrant bearded step-uncle's house
  04/05/26
he's def most high iq though, no?
Coral resort indirect expression
  04/05/26
Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal ...
Vibrant bearded step-uncle's house
  04/05/26
the latter obv i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the ...
Coral resort indirect expression
  04/05/26
Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. N...
Vibrant bearded step-uncle's house
  04/05/26
cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bob...
Coral resort indirect expression
  04/05/26
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Racist Redneck from Alabama
  06/04/26
he's appropriately rated
Chrome Aggressive Brunch Personal Credit Line
  04/05/26
lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher ...
passionate idiot
  04/05/26
Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?
Coral resort indirect expression
  04/05/26
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exhilarant pungent pit milk
  04/06/26
Pedro was better (than anyone).
Titillating spot
  04/05/26
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Chrome Aggressive Brunch Personal Credit Line
  04/05/26
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Slippery sepia stage boiling water
  04/07/26
He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys...
Lilac halford home
  04/05/26
Don't drop those BW3s Flamin' Dorito(TM) Hot wings on your c...
the walter white of this generation (walt jr.)
  06/04/26
Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generat...
deep duck-like multi-billionaire native
  04/05/26
he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smart...
heady therapy hall
  04/06/26
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Coral resort indirect expression
  04/06/26
He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorr...
exhilarant pungent pit milk
  04/06/26
yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1...
heady therapy hall
  04/06/26
Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently h...
exhilarant pungent pit milk
  04/07/26
Oh yeah that is the relevant metric when discussing GOAT vs....
the walter white of this generation (walt jr.)
  06/04/26
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The depth of human depravity is boundless.
  06/04/26
do not google. there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or gr...
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  06/04/26
Randy Johnson Clemmons Pedro Ryan Glavine Bab...
The depth of human depravity is boundless.
  06/04/26
this career WAR. you got these right. 1. Cy Young+ (22)...
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  06/04/26
No Goog
tokens in abundance
  06/04/26
Rivera would have had to pitch for ~40 years to get 100 WAR....
Judas Jones
  06/04/26
cr. he's in 80th place for career WAR.
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Walter Johnson Christy Mathewson Steve Carlton
&c
  06/04/26
Rank Player (yrs, age) WAR for Pitchers IP Throws 1. Cy You...
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  06/04/26
Tom Seaver and Phil Niekro have more war than Carlton? Would...
&c
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: Coral resort indirect expression



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:38 PM
Author: Vibrant bearded step-uncle's house

Underrated by whom? He’s revered

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49796396)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: Coral resort indirect expression

how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: Razzle stag film

He's undoubtedly top 3

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: Coral resort indirect expression

Nolan Ryan?

Randy Johnson?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49796405)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: Vibrant bearded step-uncle's house

Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind too but idk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49796411)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: Coral resort indirect expression

honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name a top 3-5

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49796419)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:50 PM
Author: Razzle stag film

Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order:

Maddux

Johnson

Martinez

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49796426)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:53 PM
Author: Coral resort indirect expression

cr

but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or are they well outside top 3

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49796432)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: Razzle stag film

Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49796436)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: Coral resort indirect expression

all 3 above above ryan?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49796437)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:59 PM
Author: racy chocolate mad-dog skullcap public bath

pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete career. however you rank they are both tier 1.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49796451)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:28 AM
Author: Judas Jones

Clemens had the best career of anyone in that era if we ignore PEDs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49914410)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:41 PM
Author: Vibrant bearded step-uncle's house

Hard to say but he’s up there for sure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49796401)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: Coral resort indirect expression

he's def most high iq though, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49796407)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: Vibrant bearded step-uncle's house

Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal lives, or do you mean high IQ with respect to how he played?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49796409)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:45 PM
Author: Coral resort indirect expression

the latter obv

i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the mouth level dumb irl in his off time as long as hes throwing fucking gems over the mound

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49796413)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: Vibrant bearded step-uncle's house

Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. No man is an island

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49796417)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:47 PM
Author: Coral resort indirect expression

cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bobby and mazzone to get fucked a bunch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49796421)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 1:01 AM
Author: Racist Redneck from Alabama



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:57 PM
Author: Chrome Aggressive Brunch Personal Credit Line

he's appropriately rated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49796444)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: passionate idiot

lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher of all time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49796446)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: Coral resort indirect expression

Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49796448)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:04 PM
Author: exhilarant pungent pit milk



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:27 PM
Author: Titillating spot

Pedro was better (than anyone).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49796514)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:47 PM
Author: Chrome Aggressive Brunch Personal Credit Line



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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:54 AM
Author: Slippery sepia stage boiling water



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:51 PM
Author: Lilac halford home

He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys like Trout and Ohtani

If you swapped some random cy young candidate like Bryan Woo for Maddux, he would crush it in the 90s also

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49796569)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 6:42 AM
Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.)

Don't drop those BW3s Flamin' Dorito(TM) Hot wings on your crisp new steph curry jersey, cuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49914343)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:55 PM
Author: deep duck-like multi-billionaire native

Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49796577)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:49 AM
Author: heady therapy hall

he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smarter than other players. perennial gold glove fielder. platonic ideal of "the professor" type who doesn't throw super hard but just outthinks the batter. also insanely low walk rate - nobody - absolutely nobody - had better control

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49797104)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:07 PM
Author: Coral resort indirect expression



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Date: April 6th, 2026 2:11 PM
Author: exhilarant pungent pit milk

He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorrectly for not having any velocity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49797984)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: heady therapy hall

yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1960 in the hall of fame that threw softer is tom glavine. only reliever is trevor hoffman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49798932)



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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:52 AM
Author: exhilarant pungent pit milk

Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently hit a 92 mph fastball with a year of dedicated training.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49799605)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 6:44 AM
Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.)

Oh yeah that is the relevant metric when discussing GOAT vs. mere HOF mlb pitching, thanks chung li.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49914344)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:17 AM
Author: The depth of human depravity is boundless.



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:31 AM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


do not google.

there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or greater. name them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49914284)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:36 AM
Author: The depth of human depravity is boundless.

Randy Johnson

Clemmons

Pedro

Ryan

Glavine

Babe Ruth

Scherzer

Seaver

cy Young

Maddux



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49914286)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:43 AM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


this career WAR. you got these right.

1. Cy Young+ (22) 165.9 7356.0 R

3. Roger Clemens (24) 138.7 4916.2 R

7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.0 4783.0 R

8. Greg Maddux+ (23) 104.8 5008.1 R

9. Randy Johnson+ (22) 103.5 4135.1 L



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49914287)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:57 AM
Author: tokens in abundance
Subject: No Goog

Clayton Kershaw

Curt Schilling

Mariano Rivera

Bob Gibson

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49914292)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:33 AM
Author: Judas Jones

Rivera would have had to pitch for ~40 years to get 100 WAR. Relievers just don't get enough innings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49914413)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:34 AM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


cr. he's in 80th place for career WAR.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49914415)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:10 AM
Author: &c

Walter Johnson

Christy Mathewson

Steve Carlton

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49914393)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:33 AM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


Rank Player (yrs, age) WAR for Pitchers IP Throws

1. Cy Young+ (22) 165.9 7356.0 R

2. Walter Johnson+ (21) 155.4 5914.1 R

3. Roger Clemens (24) 138.7 4916.2 R

4. Kid Nichols+ (15) 119.0 5067.1 R

5. Grover Alexander+ (20) 116.9 5190.0 R

6. Lefty Grove+ (17) 113.2 3940.2 L

7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.0 4783.0 R

8. Greg Maddux+ (23) 104.8 5008.1 R

9. Randy Johnson+ (22) 103.5 4135.1 L

10. Christy Mathewson+ (17) 100.6 4788.2 R

11. Phil Niekro+ (24) 97.0 5404.0 R

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49914414)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 3:12 PM
Author: &c

Tom Seaver and Phil Niekro have more war than Carlton? Would not have guessed that

Never heard of kid nichols

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2.#49915360)