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What was the best 2000s and 2010s indie band?

Out of Arcade Fire, The Strokes, The National, White Stripes...
hyperactive rambunctious theater stage coffee pot
  03/19/24
modest mouse by far of that group but their best album came ...
adulterous sick stage
  03/19/24
My junkie mom and her husband are close friends with the lea...
Abnormal internal respiration
  03/19/24
I always thought it was weird as fuck when Johnny Marr joine...
gay swollen station
  03/19/24
Same here. Guy is a guitar virtuoso and songwriting genius a...
vigorous kitchen hominid
  03/19/24
that was surprising at the very least. MM was past their pea...
adulterous sick stage
  03/19/24
marr's career is confounding. the guy is a truly amazing gui...
vigorous kitchen hominid
  03/21/24
cr. the worst of it was "johnny marr and the healers&qu...
adulterous sick stage
  03/21/24
cr. he's a scumbag from a trailer park. makes for more inter...
adulterous sick stage
  03/19/24
My fav albums of this genre are Funeral - Arcade Fire Pi...
cerise lay codepig
  03/19/24
Never could get into that Klaxons album all that much I k...
Concupiscible rebellious locale kitty
  03/19/24
which hit? I think the non-singles from the album are actual...
cerise lay codepig
  03/20/24
In terms of lasting impact: 1. The Killers 2. White ...
Titillating french fanboi sandwich
  03/19/24
The Walkmen
Underhanded cream people who are hurt
  03/19/24
The skints are prob my fav actually. 3 killer albums between...
cerise lay codepig
  03/19/24
some albums from the 00's 'indie' scene which hold up well: ...
house-broken lake really tough guy
  03/19/24
Ghosts of the great highway was under sun kil moon aktually,...
Tripping Motley Church
  03/19/24
Bright Eyes
gay swollen station
  03/19/24
lol fag
frum pearl address party of the first part
  03/20/24
Muse
supple chartreuse hairy legs
  03/19/24
Black Keys, Franz Ferdinand
Federal gold parlor antidepressant drug
  03/19/24
Black Keys I can still get into. Not sure that Franz Ferdina...
Marvelous disgusting travel guidebook
  03/21/24
Interpol gets my vote
Shaky police squad legend
  03/19/24
first album was 180. paul and carlos were actually cool ...
adulterous sick stage
  03/19/24
same. I never miss their show when they come to town. I'm se...
Floppy Ultramarine Mediation Feces
  03/19/24
...
Violent Menage
  03/21/24
Animal Collective
red stimulating pistol
  03/19/24
brother sport is ungnnngnngngh
Tripping Motley Church
  03/19/24
Arcade Fire put on the best three album run The Strokes h...
Concupiscible rebellious locale kitty
  03/19/24
there was such an avalanche of so much indie music of high t...
chocolate fragrant milk
  03/19/24
Lana del Rey Two door cinema club Young the giant Cage th...
Aphrodisiac Green Macaca
  03/20/24
👍
Ivory unholy mental disorder digit ratio
  03/20/24
The Killers. Done.
exciting resort dingle berry
  03/20/24
not really indie
gay swollen station
  03/20/24
the Indie Big 3: Wilco, The National, Bon Iver alternates...
Bat-shit-crazy nowag
  03/20/24
The Strokes and The Killers are the two best bands.
Vibrant Mewling Shrine
  03/20/24
Aerosmith
Sable Nursing Home Idea He Suggested
  03/20/24
Out of the group OP listed, the White Stripes and it isn't c...
indecent pale stock car jap
  03/20/24
“Indie” is too broad of a label. At this point i...
fighting ladyboy
  03/20/24
Don't mention bloc party pls
exciting resort dingle berry
  03/20/24
indie is a shitty term because it originates from a business...
apoplectic goyim
  03/20/24
So what? Talking about how indie used to mean “indepen...
fighting ladyboy
  03/21/24
Hudson Bell
Bipolar Honey-headed Rehab
  03/20/24
Spoon is by far the best from that era simply because each a...
frum pearl address party of the first part
  03/20/24
and they still do. last couple of records went a more synth/...
apoplectic goyim
  03/20/24
not seeing much lcd in here. anyway it's probably the stroke...
apoplectic goyim
  03/20/24
Strokes = the last rock band before everything became &ldquo...
Aphrodisiac Green Macaca
  03/20/24
i don't know, the killers and black keys have been huge for ...
apoplectic goyim
  03/20/24
The Lumineers /EOT
swashbuckling obsidian rigor skinny woman
  03/20/24
Cart me off to Williamsburg 2008
slate quadroon psychic
  03/20/24
second Chairlift record
Thriller jewess chapel
  03/20/24
Postal Service
Comical fantasy-prone school headpube
  03/20/24
This thread is unearthing long lost memories and playlists a...
Tripping Motley Church
  03/20/24
I still use last.fm
Concupiscible rebellious locale kitty
  03/20/24
Are you old enough to have listened to college radio? That&r...
Marvelous disgusting travel guidebook
  03/21/24
Xo has such horrible taste in music unless most of you guys ...
indecent pale stock car jap
  03/21/24
stfu ZZZ
frum pearl address party of the first part
  03/21/24
im gay
Mentally impaired multi-colored crotch whorehouse
  03/21/24
I agree with a lot of the suggestions ITT. I'd add The Mount...
cerebral doctorate
  03/21/24
Lot of good stuff itt although there’s some of the ine...
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  03/21/24
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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:46 PM
Author: hyperactive rambunctious theater stage coffee pot

Out of Arcade Fire, The Strokes, The National, White Stripes, Interpol, Vampire Weekend, The Killers, The Shins, Modest Mouse, MGMT, Death Cab…

Who am I forgetting?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47508963)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:48 PM
Author: adulterous sick stage

modest mouse by far of that group but their best album came out in the 90s

brand new also had some very good stuff if you consider them indie

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47508967)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:19 PM
Author: Abnormal internal respiration

My junkie mom and her husband are close friends with the lead singer of modest mouse. He has a big loft in downtown Portland. I guess he has a pool table that has stacks of hundred dollar bills on it. He'll grab one on his way out the door. He buys people booze but only does heroin himself. I met him once. He seemed incredibly dumb. Laughed at really immature fart type jokes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509058)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:24 PM
Author: gay swollen station

I always thought it was weird as fuck when Johnny Marr joined Modest Mouse. Like, why??

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509071)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:42 PM
Author: vigorous kitchen hominid

Same here. Guy is a guitar virtuoso and songwriting genius and he joined MM to play rhythm guitar at a time when they quit doing anything interesting with their music.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509110)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:44 PM
Author: adulterous sick stage

that was surprising at the very least. MM was past their peak and johnny was pretty old already. i heard recently that marr didnt know them at all and just got a random phone call one day.

they made a good(not great) album together though. better than almost everything else marr's done post smiths imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509112)



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Date: March 21st, 2024 10:37 AM
Author: vigorous kitchen hominid

marr's career is confounding. the guy is a truly amazing guitarist and songwriter, at least judging by the smiths' output. and beyond his "side gig" with bernard sumner in electronic, he hasn't done anything worth a shit, certainly not anything even in the same neighborhood as the smiths.

i guess him and that fag morrissey were just a magical duo (not taking anything away from the rhythm section, which was also phenomenal).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47512791)



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Date: March 21st, 2024 11:41 AM
Author: adulterous sick stage

cr. the worst of it was "johnny marr and the healers" which sounded like bad oasis 5 years after oasis knockoffs went out of style

smiths were 180 rip andy rourke

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47512969)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:38 PM
Author: adulterous sick stage

cr. he's a scumbag from a trailer park. makes for more interesting songs than the "indie" made by theater kids and art fag types imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509102)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:49 PM
Author: cerise lay codepig

My fav albums of this genre are

Funeral - Arcade Fire

Pieces of the People we Love - the Rapture

Myths of the Near Future - Klaxons



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47508968)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:28 PM
Author: Concupiscible rebellious locale kitty

Never could get into that Klaxons album all that much

I kinda view them as a one hit wonder

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509079)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:02 AM
Author: cerise lay codepig

which hit? I think the non-singles from the album are actually the best songs.

Totem on the Timeline: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwXLjv27PWw

Two Receivers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZtLAQFdVvg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509610)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:49 PM
Author: Titillating french fanboi sandwich

In terms of lasting impact:

1. The Killers

2. White Stripes

3. Death Cab

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47508970)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:49 PM
Author: Underhanded cream people who are hurt

The Walkmen

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47508975)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 10:57 PM
Author: cerise lay codepig

The skints are prob my fav actually. 3 killer albums between 2012-2019. Swimming Lessons in particular is an incredible genre blending album.

https://youtu.be/b5NVWmOKGGw?si=XuwZNMRQgiVQTk7D

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509000)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:11 PM
Author: house-broken lake really tough guy

some albums from the 00's 'indie' scene which hold up well:

jason molina's 'magnolia electric co.'

calexico's 'feast of wire'

the faint's 'danse macabre'

dismemberment plan's 'change'

justice's cross album

grandaddy's 'sophtware slump'

sweet trip's 'velocity'

mark kozelek's 'ghosts of the great highway'

spoon's 'girls can tell'

richmond fontaine's 'winnemucca'



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509031)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:38 PM
Author: Tripping Motley Church

Ghosts of the great highway was under sun kil moon aktually, not a mark kozelek solo

And yeah it holds up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509103)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:12 PM
Author: gay swollen station

Bright Eyes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509033)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:54 AM
Author: frum pearl address party of the first part

lol fag

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509736)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:13 PM
Author: supple chartreuse hairy legs

Muse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509037)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:13 PM
Author: Federal gold parlor antidepressant drug

Black Keys, Franz Ferdinand

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509039)



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Date: March 21st, 2024 4:38 AM
Author: Marvelous disgusting travel guidebook

Black Keys I can still get into. Not sure that Franz Ferdinand really holds up. I’ve tried to listen to their albums recently and make it through half a song and get bored.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47512376)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:16 PM
Author: Shaky police squad legend

Interpol gets my vote

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509044)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:49 PM
Author: adulterous sick stage

first album was 180.

paul and carlos were actually cool rock star types too. other indie bands almost never had dudes like that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509118)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:53 PM
Author: Floppy Ultramarine Mediation Feces

same. I never miss their show when they come to town. I'm seeing them in a few months

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509129)



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Date: March 21st, 2024 1:32 AM
Author: Violent Menage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47512292)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:22 PM
Author: red stimulating pistol

Animal Collective

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509066)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:40 PM
Author: Tripping Motley Church

brother sport is ungnnngnngngh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509105)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:40 PM
Author: Concupiscible rebellious locale kitty

Arcade Fire put on the best three album run

The Strokes have a high number of excellent albums & fewest clunkers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509106)



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Date: March 19th, 2024 11:56 PM
Author: chocolate fragrant milk

there was such an avalanche of so much indie music of high technical/production/songwriting quality coming out back then that it became 'worthless' in a sense.

sort of like how 2020s NBA seems kind of lame because teams 'cracked the code' and even mediocre players are basically stronger/more athletic than peak Michael Jordan. it devalues the product somehow.

i remember listening to my hipster GF's indie ipod and it was like 10000 songs that were all sort of 'better' than anything that came out of 80s/90s indie, but also sort of interchangeable and boring as a result.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509135)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 8:45 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac Green Macaca

Lana del Rey

Two door cinema club

Young the giant

Cage the elephant

Metric

Florence and the machine

Alvvays

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509577)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 1:02 PM
Author: Ivory unholy mental disorder digit ratio

👍

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47510401)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 8:46 AM
Author: exciting resort dingle berry

The Killers. Done.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509579)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:24 AM
Author: gay swollen station

not really indie

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509674)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:24 AM
Author: Bat-shit-crazy nowag

the Indie Big 3: Wilco, The National, Bon Iver

alternates: Broken Social Scene, Grizzly Bear, Belle & Sebastian, Phoenix, Vampire Weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509672)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:29 AM
Author: Vibrant Mewling Shrine

The Strokes and The Killers are the two best bands.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509683)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:31 AM
Author: Sable Nursing Home Idea He Suggested

Aerosmith

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509686)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:33 AM
Author: indecent pale stock car jap

Out of the group OP listed, the White Stripes and it isn't close.

Arcade Fire solid second.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509691)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:36 AM
Author: fighting ladyboy

“Indie” is too broad of a label. At this point it’s basically meaning any non-classical/country/screamo music by white people with real instruments between 2000 and 2020.

But in no specific order I would say:

death cab/postal service, modest mouse, bloc party, foals, arcade fire, interpol, silversun pickups, band of horses, war on drugs, beach house, the XX, Bombay bicycle club, the national, two door cinema club, Franz Ferdinand, grizzly bear, local natives, lcd soundsystem, future islands, phoenix, yeah yeah yeahs, fleet foxes, empire of the Sun, m83, Arctic monkeys, the strokes, cage the elephant, tame impala, metric, vampire weekend. There are a few more.

Picking a best is impossible - how do you compare silversun pickups to beach house?

Im leaving the killers, white stripes, keane and muse off this list. They are rock bands but very far away from what someone would consider “indie” if you listened to the rest of the list.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509696)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 12:38 PM
Author: exciting resort dingle berry

Don't mention bloc party pls

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47510308)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 1:17 PM
Author: apoplectic goyim

indie is a shitty term because it originates from a business model but has been transformed into an aesthetic. under the former, white stripes are as indie as it gets. but to most people now indie means you have a beard, a short brim hat, tattoos, and folk instruments.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47510440)



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Date: March 21st, 2024 1:22 AM
Author: fighting ladyboy

So what? Talking about how indie used to mean “independent” is like saying Netflix isn’t “tv” if you watch it on a laptop or something. Terms change. I don’t even think the “independent” phrase really had much value at the start anyways. Who cares if a band has signed with a label? Meaningless for listeners.

I don’t think many people’s mind jumps to Mumford and sons or the lumineers when they hear “indie” either - folk music and brim hats are just that - folk music. I think my list is pretty fair. It basically means electic rock music with emo undertones. More of a vibe than anything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47512282)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:53 AM
Author: Bipolar Honey-headed Rehab

Hudson Bell

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509734)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 9:58 AM
Author: frum pearl address party of the first part

Spoon is by far the best from that era simply because each album they produced is good music. Girls Can Tell, Kill the Moonlight, Gimme Fiction, Ga Ga Ga, etc. They just consistently put out good music.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509748)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 10:03 AM
Author: apoplectic goyim

and they still do. last couple of records went a more synth/electronic direction and are still very good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509757)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 10:00 AM
Author: apoplectic goyim

not seeing much lcd in here. anyway it's probably the strokes. they were there from the start and they're still there. white stripes burned hotter but burned out. could argue for arcade fire, too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509750)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 10:20 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac Green Macaca

Strokes = the last rock band before everything became “indie”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47509821)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 1:13 PM
Author: apoplectic goyim

i don't know, the killers and black keys have been huge for 20+ years now. rock definitely isn't the main attraction anymore, but there were plenty of successful acts amidst all the clap stomp hey indie shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47510429)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 1:04 PM
Author: swashbuckling obsidian rigor skinny woman

The Lumineers /EOT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47510404)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 3:44 PM
Author: slate quadroon psychic

Cart me off to Williamsburg 2008

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47510923)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 10:07 PM
Author: Thriller jewess chapel

second Chairlift record

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47511956)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 10:11 PM
Author: Comical fantasy-prone school headpube

Postal Service

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47511969)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 11:49 PM
Author: Tripping Motley Church

This thread is unearthing long lost memories and playlists and albums long forgotten from college

Take me back, take me back to seeing death cab and broken social scene in small venues and following random blogspot blogs to catch new music and seeing what your friends were listening to on last.fm and stealing music from people’s iTunes on the library WiFi

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47512164)



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Date: March 20th, 2024 11:51 PM
Author: Concupiscible rebellious locale kitty

I still use last.fm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47512167)



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Date: March 21st, 2024 4:41 AM
Author: Marvelous disgusting travel guidebook

Are you old enough to have listened to college radio? That’s how I learned about new music back then.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47512377)



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Date: March 21st, 2024 12:06 AM
Author: indecent pale stock car jap

Xo has such horrible taste in music unless most of you guys are flaming or gay.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47512185)



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Date: March 21st, 2024 10:57 AM
Author: frum pearl address party of the first part

stfu ZZZ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47512853)



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Date: March 21st, 2024 1:36 AM
Author: Mentally impaired multi-colored crotch whorehouse
Subject: im gay

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4825046&mc=39&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47512295)



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Date: March 21st, 2024 3:05 AM
Author: cerebral doctorate

I agree with a lot of the suggestions ITT. I'd add The Mountain Goats to the list of contenders, too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5506448&forum_id=2.#47512358)



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Date: March 21st, 2024 4:47 AM
Author: Marvelous disgusting travel guidebook

Lot of good stuff itt although there’s some of the inevitable attempts to out-indie other people. I like Beach House, too, but to put them in the same importance conversation as Arcade Fire or the White Stripes, etc. is laughable.

For endurance, I think it’s The National and Arcade Fire. Still both touring and have listenable music, and it’s not gimmicky or wildly different than what they were playing 15-20 years ago.

This thread confirms that many of us are 38-44.

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Date: April 5th, 2026 10:13 PM
Author: cowgod



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