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adventurous fighting dilemma
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just walk outside bro
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Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as ba...
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it was a nanny state.
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: adventurous fighting dilemma

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#23393887)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea

just walk outside bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48969812)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea

(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48969813)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: July 3rd, 2025 8:14 PM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:32 PM
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Date: July 8th, 2025 10:20 PM
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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:52 PM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: July 14th, 2025 5:12 PM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: July 16th, 2025 3:43 AM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:00 PM
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Date: July 24th, 2025 5:37 PM
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Date: July 29th, 2025 11:50 PM
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Date: July 30th, 2025 6:59 PM
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Date: August 4th, 2025 6:52 PM
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Date: August 10th, 2025 8:35 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:33 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:48 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:57 PM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: November 11th, 2025 11:28 PM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: November 12th, 2025 7:15 PM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: November 12th, 2025 9:29 PM
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Date: November 13th, 2025 1:21 AM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: November 13th, 2025 4:52 PM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: November 16th, 2025 8:27 PM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: November 16th, 2025 9:03 PM
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Date: November 17th, 2025 6:11 PM
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Date: November 18th, 2025 7:01 PM
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Date: November 23rd, 2025 8:51 PM
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Date: November 24th, 2025 12:36 AM
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Date: November 24th, 2025 6:55 PM
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Date: November 24th, 2025 9:29 PM
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Date: November 26th, 2025 12:15 AM
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Date: November 26th, 2025 4:27 PM
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Date: November 26th, 2025 10:41 PM
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Date: November 27th, 2025 5:48 PM
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Date: November 28th, 2025 12:55 AM
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 6:52 PM
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Date: December 4th, 2025 5:54 PM
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Date: December 4th, 2025 9:25 PM
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Date: December 7th, 2025 7:20 PM
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Date: December 8th, 2025 12:55 AM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:23 PM
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Date: December 9th, 2025 3:57 PM
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Date: December 10th, 2025 9:55 PM
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Date: December 16th, 2025 9:07 PM
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:04 AM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: December 21st, 2025 8:59 PM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 8:47 PM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: December 24th, 2025 12:00 AM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: December 28th, 2025 6:54 PM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: December 28th, 2025 7:05 PM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: December 29th, 2025 9:19 PM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: January 4th, 2026 8:56 PM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: January 6th, 2026 7:39 PM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: January 12th, 2026 6:44 PM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: January 14th, 2026 6:47 PM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: January 20th, 2026 7:47 PM
Author: Chartreuse scourge upon the earth marketing idea



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:08 PM
Author: nyuug



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:38 PM
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: vibrant cocky people who are hurt pozpig

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: Appetizing Public Bath

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: vibrant cocky people who are hurt pozpig

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48969863)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: Appetizing Public Bath

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: vibrant cocky people who are hurt pozpig

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: fragrant point turdskin

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: talking ladyboy becky



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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
Author: aphrodisiac greedy idea he suggested



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: up-to-no-good abode

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48970037)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: tan startled pit

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48970041)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: scarlet mewling degenerate

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: fragrant point turdskin

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49065206)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:10 AM
Author: Lake shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49518664)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: Sepia Odious Juggernaut

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: buff piazza dopamine

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: orange background story

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: pale hell

It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49421865)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: 180 citrine field therapy

it was a nanny state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49458174)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:26 PM
Author: pale hell

Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a settled species during the most recent 5% of our time on earth. There's absolutely nothing normal (or even good) about anything we do today, unless your goal is simply to put more people on the earth's surface

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49495273)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:07 AM
Author: orange background story

actual feudalism was probably fine and shitty in parts

foursquare feudalism otoh is a lot of fun and harmless if it's not infested with faggots

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49518563)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM
Author: Nazca Redlines

13th century English peasant: 1620 chill working hours per year with your bros, downtime all winter, zero "thank" emails

you: hiting 1620 billables in July while on your "working vacation" at the beach with your kids

https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49838409)



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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM
Author: Nazca Redlines

"Before capitalism, most people did not work very long hours at all. The tempo of life was slow, even leisurely; the pace of work relaxed. Our ancestors may not have been rich, but they had an abundance of leisure. When capitalism raised their incomes, it also took away their time."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2.#49838410)