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Date: January 17th, 2019 9:32 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann Just do deify some irl guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37611715) |
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Date: January 17th, 2019 9:37 PM Author: Diverse Jet-lagged Knife Antidepressant Drug The Christian religion, throughout Chalcedon, Nicea, and other ecumenical councils and various synods of argumentative bishops, kept insisting on the dual nature of Jesus Christ. It would be theologically simpler if God were god and Jesus were man, just like another prophet, the way Islam views him, or the way Judaism views Abraham. But no, he had to be both man and god; the duality is so central it kept coming back though all manner of refinement: whether the duality allowed sharing the same substance (Orthodoxy), the same will (Monothelites), the same nature (Monophysites). The trinity is what caused other monotheists to see traces of polytheism in Christianity, and caused many Christians who fell into the hands of the Islamic State to be beheaded.
So it appears that the church founders really wanted Christ to have skin in the game; he did actually suffer on the cross, sacrifice himself, and experience death. He was a risk taker. More crucially to our story, he sacrificed himself for the sake of others. A god stripped of humanity cannot have skin in the game in such a manner, cannot really suffer (or, if he does, such a redefinition of a god injected with a human nature would back up our argument). A god who didn’t really suffer on the cross would be like a magician who performed an illusion, not someone who actually bled.
The Orthodox Church goes further, making the human side flow upward rather than downward. The fourth-century bishop Athanasius of Alexandria wrote: “Jesus Christ was incarnate so we could be made God”. It is the very human character of Jesus that can allow us mortals to access God and merge with him, become part of him, in order to partake of the divine. That fusion is called theosis. The human nature of Christ makes the divine possible for all of us. |
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Date: January 17th, 2019 9:39 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann Ty brother. I don’t believe that quote about theosis is as precise as that. Most ortho fathers temper the possibility of human deification with more humility (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37611755) |
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Date: January 17th, 2019 9:40 PM Author: contagious nibblets theatre (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37611756) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 1:34 AM Author: Elite Rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37613071) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 1:39 AM Author: multi-colored philosopher-king set All prophets are both god in relation to man and humble servants in relation to god. Our task is to worship the former by emulating the latter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37613088) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 12:02 PM Author: chocolate arrogant preventive strike (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37614643) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 3:03 PM Author: excitant chartreuse brunch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37615863) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 11:34 PM Author: Grizzly jewess this is really thoughtful.
when creating the Christian theology, they just came up with a justification for how God and humanity are intertwined in a beautiful way.
if it was real, it would be so amazing. |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 11:34 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann it's obviously real (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618644) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 1:42 PM Author: Grizzly jewess i doubt it. one reason is why did it take like 100,000 years for this really important doctrine to be revealed. with no foreshadowing or prophecy on point (about the Trinity specifically).
instead we have Jesus affirming the law of Moses (and implicitly the story of the Exodus, which literally never happened). |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 11:17 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann You think Christ affirmed the law of Moses? What about his “you’ve heard it said” rant?
Also more generally arguments about “why didn’t god just do x right away” are very odd and fail to consider the often neglected theology of TIME and the meaning of theodicy |
Date: January 17th, 2019 9:32 PM Author: Spectacular fiercely-loyal coffee pot library *some jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37611721) |
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Date: January 17th, 2019 10:20 PM Author: Lime Mad-dog Skullcap Community Account That would actually be quite creepy, if you think about it. Literally no one thinks about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37612010) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 2:02 AM Author: Trip Location "some irl guy"
Let me stop you right there, hoss |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 12:00 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann Ur dumb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37614633) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 2:24 PM Author: Trip Location (guy who literally thinks a wizard was running around in ancient palestine) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37615615) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 2:30 PM Author: dashing halford lol, how come everytime i see you post you're maf about the jesus myth theory?
every historian believes jesus existed. that doesn't mean he actually performed miracles or w/e. there were plenty of doomsday messiah joos running around then. |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 2:32 PM Author: Trip Location I'm referring to the fact that he thinks there was literally a guy with actual magic powers running around doing magic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37615673) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 2:33 PM Author: transparent provocative private investor base (celsus) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37615678) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 2:37 PM Author: dashing halford he said "christianity would be 180 IF real". which implies that he doesn't believe jesus performed miracles. the "irl" thing is just recognizing that he existed.
we know for a fact muhammad existed, doesn't mean he split the moon. |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 2:40 PM Author: Trip Location new poster, first day? he absolutely believes jesus did magic.
we don't know for a fact jesus existed. many scholars believe that he didn't, that we can't know either way, or that he did but that doubting it is a completely position. |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 2:45 PM Author: dashing halford lol @ your reading comp.
go back to /r/atheism. only dumb, militant atheists believe in the christ myth theory. jesus existing is about as historically certain as any any figure from that period. |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 2:50 PM Author: Trip Location He's made clear on many occasions that he is a Christian, this thread notwithstanding.
Then why did biblical scholars Bart Ehrman and and Maurice Casey bother writing entire books trying to refute the christ myth theory? Why did Ehrman and Craig A. Evans debate mythicists on the subject?
"Ehrman falsely claims in his book that there are no hyper-specialized historians of ancient Christianity who doubt the historicity of Jesus. So I named one: Arthur Droge, a sitting professor of early Christianity (previously at UCSD; now at the University of Toronto).
And of those who do not meet Ehrman’s irrationally specific criteria but who are certainly qualified, we can now add Kurt Noll, a sitting professor of religion at Brandon University (as I already noted in my review of Is This Not the Carpenter) and Thomas Brodie, a retired professor of biblical studies (as I noted elsewhere). Combined with myself (Richard Carrier) and Robert Price, as fully qualified independent scholars, and Thomas Thompson, a retired professor of some renown, that is more than a handful of well-qualified scholars, all with doctorates in a relevant field, who are on record doubting the historicity of Jesus.
Most recently, Hector Avalos, a sitting professor of religion at Iowa State University, has also declared his agnosticism about historicity as well. And now Raphael Lataster joins the ranks of historicity-doubting experts, with a Ph.D. in religious studies from the University of Sydney.
That makes eight fully qualified experts on the record, three of them sitting professors, plus two retired professors, and three independent scholars with full credentials. And there are no doubt many others who simply haven’t gone on the record.
We also have sympathizers among mainstream experts who nevertheless endorse historicity but acknowledge we have a respectable point, like Philip Davies (Professor Emeritus of Biblical Studies at Sheffield University) and Zeba Crook (Professor of Religious Studies at Carleton University). Francesca Stavrakopoulou (Professor of Hebrew Bible and Ancient Religion at the University of Exeter) says the historicity of Jesus is only “possible” and not certain. Which means she either agrees mythicism is plausible or is even an outright historicity agnostic. Further afield, historian Tom Dykstra, with a Ph.D. in Renaissance Christianity who has nevertheless published peer reviewed works in New Testament studies, similarly grants the plausibility of the mythicist position.
Which makes a dozen relevantly qualified experts now who concur mythicism is at least plausible."
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/1794#22 |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 2:52 PM Author: transparent provocative private investor base "religion" departments are full of treacherous atheists and should be abolished immediately they're even sinking their claws into honest to god theology departments too, of course, but religion profs are just frothing shitlibs half the time |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 2:53 PM Author: Trip Location and yet, according to you, most of those atheists still believe jesus existed, so why should them being full of atheists mean that those scholars I listed can't be taken seriously? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37615806) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 2:56 PM Author: transparent provocative private investor base the truth is single and unitary, while the forces of satan are divided and many, attacking from every vile direction they can go back to reddit |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 3:02 PM Author: Trip Location (guy who literally thinks a wizard was running around in ancient palestine) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37615855) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 6:45 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann Link to many scholars? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37617041) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 11:29 PM Author: Trip Location https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/1794#22 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618599) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 11:30 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann ROFFLE!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618607) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 11:34 PM Author: Trip Location Are you aware that "many scholars" believed Abraham to be historical 50 years ago and now few do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618642) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 11:35 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann lol pls be done at some point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618651) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 11:36 PM Author: Trip Location please start defending your magical belief system at some point
would truly love to see what you would come up with |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 11:41 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann i dont know that i understand the structure of the dialectic you're proposing. to whom are you suggesting I have an obligation to defend my belief in an omnipotent creator? to whom do I justify a belief in his omniscience? to whom do I provide a theodicy, except myself? I'm no apologist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618697) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 11:49 PM Author: Trip Location Weird questions. To whom? I don't know, "to whom" must I "defend my belief" that Jesus may not have existed? To other people on this chatblog, I suppose, though obviously there's no "obligation" to defend anything. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618753) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 11:50 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann Right, that's why I'm suggesting an engagement regarding religion on terms of "justify x belief" fails to understand the nature of the propositions in question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618757) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 7:04 PM Author: supple coiffed rigor jew About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Messiah. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared.
- Josephus, a Jew who never converted to Christianity |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 11:33 PM Author: Trip Location There is a ton of evidence that this is fake: https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/7437 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618635) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 11:33 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann SO MUCH OF IT!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618636) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 11:35 PM Author: Trip Location Lots more evidence than there is that Jesus rose from the dead lmao
the EMPTY TOMB!!! THE SIGHTINGS!! |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 11:41 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann this is like :D dropping a nutritionfacts.org link (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618699) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 11:46 PM Author: Trip Location your religion's most famous apologist, craig, routinely presents the "empty tomb" as a serious piece of evidence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618735) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 11:48 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann go a little deeper than William Lane Craig, brother... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618746) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 11:50 PM Author: Trip Location this would be a great time for you to start posting the "deep" evidence which I've requested from you on many occasions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618755) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 11:52 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann I am 100% percent happy to talk about Christianity with someone who has doubts about/thinks Christianity is stupid. I just don't know that i would be able to satisfy your need for "evidence" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618764) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 11:55 PM Author: Trip Location Why is evidence in scare quotes? Why shouldn't I need evidence? Obviously it's not going to be laboratory specimens, but surely there's some reason why Christianity is preferable to atheism, Islam, or whatever the fuck else. Some kind of reasoning is all I think most atheists are after with their demands for "evidence" and "justification." You don't seem to like those two words so I'm not sure how else to phrase this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618775) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 12:01 AM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann Evidence is in quotes because it connotes some physical thing to which I can point and say "THAT is why i believe that X is Y" - what philosophers would call a truth-maker.
There are of course reasons why one might find christianty preferable to other belief systems (or purported lack of belief systems), but those reasons are largely based on apparently non-physical observations, which many unbelievers deny as epistemically relevant, or in extreme cases, ontologically coherent. |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 12:03 AM Author: Trip Location "non-physical observations"
Such as? |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 12:03 AM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann It appears to me to be the case that in the absence of physical stimulus I am able to perceive, through some means, pictures, images and abstractions that have no apparent physical correlate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618803) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 12:07 AM Author: Trip Location Am I supposed to have any idea what you mean by this? You see or "perceive" images of things floating in front of you, or...? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618819) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 12:08 AM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann For example, memories seem to be mental images that are not tied to any immediate physical stimulus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618822) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 12:09 AM Author: Trip Location Why can't the brain be the physical stimulus of memories? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618825) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 12:13 AM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann Ok, I am happy to concede that the brain, in the case of memories, could be in an electrochemical state substantially similar to the state it was in when it directly perceived the event that is now the basis of the memory.
I suppose I am attempting to suggest that there exists, when the brain is in such a physical state, not just that physical state, but also a nonphysical state; the images of the memory are not located in three dimensional space, but some nondimensional, abstract space.
Do you agree that thoughts exist in more than physical space? |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 12:15 AM Author: Trip Location No, I don't agree that they are, because what is "nondimensional, abstract space"? I don't know what this is supposed to mean or refer to. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618853) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 12:16 AM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann When you close your eyes, are you able to ostensibly travel through a landscape, say by walking across a room, not physically, but in your mind? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618861) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 12:18 AM Author: Trip Location So... the imagination? Couldn't this be explained as "an electrochemical state substantially similar to the state it was in when it directly perceived the event that is now the basis of the memory"? Even if you aren't "remembering" the landscape, maybe the brain can just piece it together by generating images of other things you've seen in your life? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618879) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 12:19 AM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann So you agree that the brain generates images? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618886) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 12:21 AM Author: Trip Location Is the point of all this meandering just to lead up to an argument that the mind is nonphysical? Suppose it is. How do you get from there to Christianity? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618895) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 12:28 AM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann Yes, I apologize for my laziness in this regard, as it is a point of contention with many as to whether the mind could consist even in part in something "nonphysical"
From there I would simply suggest that if its true that we have this faculty for nonphysical thought, how can we know where it comes from? Is there any amount of correlative observation that would allow us to conclude that the brain produces consciousness? Or is there a simpler explanation for its origin, namely that the world is comprised of two types of things (physical and nonphysical) working together, or perhaps one neutral thing with two aspects or properties?
That is, if we are not happy to be reductive physicalists, and we think we know that there exists some amount of matter and energy in the universe, do we know what exists that is the source of the nonphysical thing?
Taking a bigger step, what do we think the properties of the source of our nonphysical abilities are? |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 12:37 AM Author: Trip Location So God is the guess for the source of these mysterious "nonphysical things." And to proceed from this mere deism toward Christ, in which direction shall we step next? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618977) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 12:46 AM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann I don't see it as a guess, because I do not see a possible future state in which correlative science is able to prove the production of nonphysical consciousness from physical matter alone. Barring, in principle, such a demonstration, a nonphysical source of consciousness follows directly from serious abductive inferential methods.
If you are content to at least follow along from that conclusion, then we can deduce properties of this source of consciousness. Most importantly, I would think, and believe I can show, that this source of consciousness must be personal in nature - if we have personhood, it must too. Skipping ahead, I believe this source of consciousness must also have power over matter. Further, I believe this source of consciousness must be able to understand, comprehend, and know matter. With these abilities, I believe that this source of consciousness must have therefore created matter. As the creator of matter, of which we are made, I believe this source of consciousness must have also made us, and done so in its image. To again cut to the chase, I believe the image of the creator was perfectly embodied in Christ, who had been waiting for incarnation as the Logos at the beginning of time. Etc, etc. |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 1:01 AM Author: Trip Location "the image of the creator was perfectly embodied in Christ, who had been waiting for incarnation as the Logos at the beginning of time. Etc, etc."
Okay, but this kind of thing just seems like a bunch of poetic conjecture that theologians just sort came up with and declared was the case about their religion. What I mean is, I don't see how any of it connects with the start of Christianity and the supposed miracles that we're supposed to believe occurred. Suppose it had been Islamic theologians who had dreamed up all that about the Logos and how their version of God was "waiting at the beginning of time" or whatever it is you're trying to say. Would you then believe in the moon miracle instead of the resurrection miracle? |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 1:09 AM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann The historical context of the birth of christianity is critical. Jesus christ's life was a world historical event that inaugurated, in my view, man's connection to god's true logos. christ was, therefore, the logos. it is not a post hoc theological imputation of divinity. christ's life ushered in an objective shift in man's relationship to god and the world. if you see this shift as the inception of man's wholesale union with god, then that is a miracle, and christ was a miracle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37619107) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 1:19 AM Author: Trip Location "The historical context of the birth of christianity is critical. Jesus christ's life was a world historical event"
Obviously, I don't believe this. Presumably you mean that the magical aspects of his life, like that he allegedly came back from the dead, were "world historical." Aren't we now back to arguing over whether there is sufficient historical EVIDENCE for such a claim? I could just as well start pontificating about how Muhammad receiving the Koran from an angel was a historical event that miraculously shifted man's relationship to "god and the world." This is where I would repeat my earlier requests that you explain why you think there is sufficient evidence to believe that the central miracle claims of Christianity actually occurred. |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 1:26 AM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann >>> Presumably you mean that the magical aspects of his life, like that he allegedly came back from the dead
I don't at all mean this. Even if I were to grant that its impossible to show that jesus existed as a human being, even if we assume that christ was 15 people or whatever they think Shakespeare was, it would be enough to point to the writings of Paul and the reverberations therefrom to sufficiently substantiate the historical context. whatever the confluence of events around the birth of christianity, it was a world historic event (series of events) that properly oriented man towards his creator. Whatever happened, it is enough to justify the claim that "christ is Lord". It's enough to say that Jesus performed miracles.
To translate this into terms too concrete for my taste, "christ's life" being a single man's IRL is not critical to the subscription to all the tenants of the religion. I don't mean that, but I feel compelled to say it to an unbeliever. |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 9:17 PM Author: Trip Location I stopped replying because your post was almost unintelligible. If Jesus was "15 people" or whatever (i.e. if he didn't actually exist in any sense that Christians think he did), then what "historical context" are you talking about? Which "reverberations" from Paul's writings are you referring to?
As far as I can understand, you seem to be trying to say that pretty much anything might have historically happened around the birth of Christianity, but whatever happened was enough for you to be satisfied that some sort of important divine shift occurred. This supposed divine shift is only of any interest to someone who's already accepted that Christianity isn't just made-up nonsense, so I'm not sure why you think there would be any point in saying that to an "unbeliever."
Are you really saying that anything at all could have happened and it would still be good enough for you? Paul could have invented the whole thing while hallucinating and yet there are such impressive "reverberations" from his writings that Christianity still seems to be correct? Please elaborate on what these reverberations are and why they are so convincing to you. |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 9:56 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann >>> but whatever happened was enough for you to be satisfied that some sort of important divine shift occurred
Yes. Christianity is 180. Christian theology is good and true. |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 11:58 AM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann You're christian now right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37620517) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 2:42 PM Author: thriller kitty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37615741) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 2:47 PM Author: dashing halford what i mean is that admitting a person existed doesn't mean everything attributed to them is true. we know jesus existed. that doesn't necessarily mean he rose from the grave. just like being certain muhammad existed doesn't prove he performed miracles. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37615771) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 2:26 PM Author: transparent provocative private investor base jesus suffered and died so you could be smug about him on the internet, mig. but he still loves even you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37615625) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 10:18 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618263) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 2:27 PM Author: Frum wild field what would be more 180 if real: Christianity or Islam? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37615628) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 2:27 PM Author: titillating mauve meetinghouse you can just live it anyway even if you have doubts. it's still pretty 168 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37615638) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 3:04 PM Author: Demanding ungodly institution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37615867) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 3:11 PM Author: honey-headed forum crotch am i like the only Christianity-sympathizing doubter out there willing to admit that my willingness to self-sacrifice for the greater good depends pretty heavily on whether there is actually a God and an afterlife? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37615903) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 3:15 PM Author: titillating mauve meetinghouse most of it is not self-sacrifice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37615927) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 4:09 PM Author: Elite Rigpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37616200) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 2:43 PM Author: lilac national Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37615748) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 3:21 PM Author: Lavender Stage Space Jesus shoots his lasers of vengeance on you heathen! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37615962) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 4:31 PM Author: bateful menage embarrassing post (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37616336) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 4:32 PM Author: transparent provocative private investor base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37616341) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 6:50 PM Author: bright useless brakes So you went from some hardcore Catholic who claimed Protestants are atheists, to a Protestant, and now you basically claim that all of Christianity is fake?
You really bounce around all over the place. Just come home to Joel Osteen. |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 6:57 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann I never have been, and never will be Catholic. This is another glaring example of you "misremembering" for the sake of your post hoc argumentative style. Very sad post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37617117) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 7:06 PM Author: bright useless brakes You were hardcore something, back when you claimed Protestants were atheists and couldn’t be trusted.
Before you converted into a Protestant, of course.
So if it wasn’t a hardcore Catholic, what was it? |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 7:12 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann fuck off liarman8 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37617219) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 6:59 PM Author: transparent provocative private investor base I keep trying to bring mig back to the holy mother church and her civilized Latin liturgy, but it never does any good. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37617138) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 7:11 PM Author: bright useless brakes He’s like one of those inflatable things with the long arms that are in front of car dealerships. Just blows around all over the place.
I’m sure the wind will blow him into the holy mother church one of these days. |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 7:20 PM Author: transparent provocative private investor base he used to be a greek orthadox bro, which i think was a superior schtick to which he should return it is lulzy he's your fellow banner-bearer for evangelicalism, although of what sort i'm not clear |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 9:40 PM Author: bright useless brakes He flops all over like I said.
This has been the progression so far:
Greek Orthodox, and Protestants are athiests >>>>>>> Committed Protestant >>>>>>>> Christianity is a lie |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 10:09 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann Weird autist talks about other people like objects why (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618230) |
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Date: January 18th, 2019 10:15 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann ill reiterate that my position on volition is closely aligned with jonathan edwards, though you are right that beyond that i don't subscribe to any doctrinal line, which is itself a big church/non-denominational but sort of evangelical thing to do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37618246) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 9:57 PM Author: 180 claret mexican Unless Calvin was right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37623441) |
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Date: January 19th, 2019 11:15 PM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann What are you suggesting here? Are you even orthodox? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37623717) |
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Date: January 20th, 2019 10:56 AM Author: fighting soul-stirring haunted graveyard boltzmann (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#37625738) |
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Date: June 20th, 2026 6:20 PM Author: icanseemyneurons (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4180135&forum_id=2Elisa#49952105) |