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Female pilot of Blackhawk that crashed into plane ignore instructor
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Date: April 27th, 2025 2:34 PM Author: Excitant school https://x.com/sav_says_/status/1916534134022844684?s=46
Remember the DC helicopter crash in January that killed 64 people, including 12 children?
Turns out the female pilot who was flying was given multiple warnings and was directly told by her male instructor/copilot to turn the opposite direction of the passenger jet to avoid a collision.
She ignored him and flew straight into it. |
Date: April 27th, 2025 2:37 PM Author: vigorous mint locale candlestick maker of all the available choices, why would you choose to fly straight into the fucking plane's path? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48885398) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 4:55 PM Author: Gay institution you will never be a woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48885692) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 4:58 PM Author: disrespectful church building fat ankles why would an anyone choose to fly a plane into a helicopter? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48885696) |
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Date: April 28th, 2025 12:58 PM Author: Cheese-eating Pink Windowlicker she was probably punishing her instructor for not fucking her (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48887281) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 2:38 PM Author: disrespectful church building fat ankles Let's see OP try to fly a Blackhawk, see how it goes lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48885399) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 3:03 PM Author: Excitant school I can listen to my instructor telling me to turn left. Are you a woman? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48885451) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 3:05 PM Author: disrespectful church building fat ankles I don't think you can, actually. Why do you think these birds have co-pilots in the first place? I bet you don't know the answer and can't even guess. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48885458) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 2:50 PM Author: appetizing mahogany coldplay fan nyuug will bump this thinking it somehow vindicates the Korean crash, when in fact all it does it provide further proof that only white men should be pilots. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48885424) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 2:52 PM Author: disrespectful church building fat ankles Because it's SO HARD to find examples of men crashing Blackhawks, am I right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48885427) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 3:04 PM Author: appetizing mahogany coldplay fan lol u sound azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48885455) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 3:07 PM Author: disrespectful church building fat ankles Yeah, I sound successful and high IQ. You're right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48885468) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 6:07 PM Author: very tactful kitty cat Is he wrong though? Are there examples of men crashing BlackHawks? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48885803) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 3:01 PM Author: Poppy stimulating lodge twinkling uncleanness and yet she persisted (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48885446) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 3:03 PM Author: sick bonkers stage roast beef ... for a very brief period (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48885449) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 3:06 PM Author: disrespectful church building fat ankles Get back to your xbox (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48885463) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 3:03 PM Author: disrespectful church building fat ankles Jesus OP is lying. The article in the tweet doesn't even say that. Cons are struggling really hard to make this a male/female thing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48885452) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 5:00 PM Author: disrespectful church building fat ankles ATC "did not issue clear, urgent instructions to the Black Hawk to avert the crash, aviation experts say."
Why are cons saying the female pilot ignored instructions? |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 3:06 PM Author: sick bonkers stage roast beef "She did not turn left"
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/27/business/dc-plane-crash-reagan-airport.html
Up to now attention has focused on the Black Hawk’s altitude, which was too high and placed the helicopter directly in the jet’s landing path at National Airport. But The Times found new details that show that the failures were far more complex than previously known.
The helicopter crew appeared to have made more than one mistake. Not only was the Black Hawk flying too high, but in the final seconds before the crash, its pilot failed to heed a directive from her co-pilot, an Army flight instructor, to change course.
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But even as it reached that juncture, Warrant Officer Eaves evidently felt obligated to repeat his instruction: The Black Hawk was at 300 feet, he said, and needed to descend.
Captain Lobach said she would. But two and a half minutes later, the Black Hawk still was above 200 feet — a dangerously high level.
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The Black Hawk was 15 seconds away from crossing paths with the jet. Warrant Officer Eaves then turned his attention to Captain Lobach.
He told her he believed that air traffic control wanted them to turn left, toward the east river bank.
Turning left would have opened up more space between the helicopter and Flight 5342, which was heading for Runway 33 at an altitude of roughly 300 feet.
She did not turn left.
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Date: April 27th, 2025 5:01 PM Author: disrespectful church building fat ankles "Yet he did not issue clear, urgent instructions to the Black Hawk to avert the crash, aviation experts say."
https://archive.is/23Uv1 |
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Date: April 28th, 2025 7:45 PM Author: boyish boistinker “former military pilots said that by issuing a proactive command to pass behind the jet, the controller was going above and beyond his obligations, especially under see-and-avoid conditions, and that an experienced Black Hawk crew should have known what to do without help.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48888601) |
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Date: April 28th, 2025 7:48 PM Author: disrespectful church building fat ankles "see and avoid conditions" that ATC authorized before ATC told the passenger jet to bank hard left. Why do you think there have been fist fights breaking out at that same ATC tower if everyone thinks it was the female pilot's fault?
Also, what happened to the claim that the pilot "disobeyed orders?" Did we bail on that theory already? |
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Date: April 28th, 2025 11:04 PM Author: boyish boistinker You’re the only one who is using those terms. You literally just made it up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48889270) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 3:03 PM Author: Poppy stimulating lodge twinkling uncleanness how many days before the tragic crash do you think the pilot met a guy from tinder and got pumped and dumped? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48885453) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 3:04 PM Author: disrespectful church building fat ankles She didn't disobey the co-pilot. RTFA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48885456) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 3:06 PM Author: Poppy stimulating lodge twinkling uncleanness i think i see your point. he didn't give her a directive. although, just to play devils advocate here, he did say "i think you should do X" and if she had done X, they, as well as 65 people on the airplane (including children) would still be alive.
cons btfo here. |
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Date: April 28th, 2025 7:52 PM Author: disrespectful church building fat ankles Co-pilots get trained hard to make their opinions known when it matters. Being a co-pilot means you know when to tell the pilot what the fuck to do, and make your instructions clear. You don't half-ass it and call it an "order." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48888617) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 3:07 PM Author: sick bonkers stage roast beef "She did not turn left"
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/27/business/dc-plane-crash-reagan-airport.html
Up to now attention has focused on the Black Hawk’s altitude, which was too high and placed the helicopter directly in the jet’s landing path at National Airport. But The Times found new details that show that the failures were far more complex than previously known.
The helicopter crew appeared to have made more than one mistake. Not only was the Black Hawk flying too high, but in the final seconds before the crash, its pilot failed to heed a directive from her co-pilot, an Army flight instructor, to change course.
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But even as it reached that juncture, Warrant Officer Eaves evidently felt obligated to repeat his instruction: The Black Hawk was at 300 feet, he said, and needed to descend.
Captain Lobach said she would. But two and a half minutes later, the Black Hawk still was above 200 feet — a dangerously high level.
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The Black Hawk was 15 seconds away from crossing paths with the jet. Warrant Officer Eaves then turned his attention to Captain Lobach.
He told her he believed that air traffic control wanted them to turn left, toward the east river bank.
Turning left would have opened up more space between the helicopter and Flight 5342, which was heading for Runway 33 at an altitude of roughly 300 feet.
She did not turn left.
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Date: April 27th, 2025 3:08 PM Author: disrespectful church building fat ankles You left out the part where she disobeyed the co-pilot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48885471) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 3:09 PM Author: sick bonkers stage roast beef is your argument that "failed to heed" an instruction =/= "disobeyed"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48885474) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 3:08 PM Author: sick bonkers stage roast beef "Not only was the Black Hawk flying too high, but in the final seconds before the crash, its pilot failed to heed a directive from her co-pilot, an Army flight instructor, to change course."
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Date: April 27th, 2025 3:09 PM Author: disrespectful church building fat ankles "I believe" is not a directive. Get back to your Xbox, whitey. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48885473) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 5:02 PM Author: disrespectful church building fat ankles "Yet he did not issue clear, urgent instructions to the Black Hawk to avert the crash, aviation experts say."
https://archive.is/23Uv1 |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 3:16 PM Author: disrespectful church building fat ankles Why didn't ATC give clearer instructions? Seems like they waffled. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48885492) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 3:21 PM Author: Laughsome copper mother school cafeteria Grrrrl don’t need the patriarchy mansplaining to her about altitude and avoiding traffic, slay kwan! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48885503) |
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Date: April 28th, 2025 1:02 PM Author: Cheese-eating Pink Windowlicker "slay" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48887297) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 4:54 PM Author: disrespectful church building fat ankles From the actual NYT article cons are unable to read:
"The controller also could have done more. Though he had delegated the prime responsibility for evading other air traffic to the Black Hawk crew under visual separation, he continued to monitor the helicopter, as his job required. Yet he did not issue clear, urgent instructions to the Black Hawk to avert the crash, aviation experts say." |
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Date: April 28th, 2025 7:19 PM Author: Hairless Church Bbw why was ATC cut off by the co-pilot? maybe co-pilot had something important to say? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48888524) |
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Date: April 28th, 2025 7:22 PM Author: Gay institution "Okay, okay, don't talk to me. You're 5'9." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48888529) |
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Date: April 28th, 2025 7:50 PM Author: boyish boistinker Let’s put that in context:
“Some former military pilots said that by issuing a proactive command to pass behind the jet, the controller was going above and beyond his obligations, especially under see-and-avoid conditions, and that an experienced Black Hawk crew should have known what to do without help. “Still, some regulators and controllers said that the controller in this case could have done more. “He could have told the Black Hawk crew where Flight 5342 was positioned and which way it was bound. (The F.A.A. manual instructions direct controllers to use the hours of a clock in describing locations.) He could have provided the jet’s distance from the helicopter in nautical miles or feet.” |
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Date: April 28th, 2025 7:59 PM Author: disrespectful church building fat ankles I'm gonna make this real easy to understand:
1. You can't get TOO MUCH assistance from air traffic control. If they're not talking to you, it's because they have to yell at some korean pilot who can't understand English. They don't have the staff on hand to talk to you all the time. They figure you're an Army helicopter pilot, you can handle things on your own, and they leave you in the lurch.
2. Just because you're used to being treated that way by ATC doesn't make the accident your fault. |
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Date: April 28th, 2025 8:03 PM Author: disrespectful church building fat ankles 3. If ATC wasn't talking to the helicopter, they'd better have a good excuse. "We had to yell at a Korean pilot" would be acceptable. If they just went out to get starbucks, that's what caused the collision. The end. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48888642) |
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Date: April 28th, 2025 9:03 PM Author: passionate pearly cruise ship i guess i poasted the wrong video yesterday (didnt have helicopter audio)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r90Xw3tQC0I
helicopter confirms plane in sight for landing on rw 33 at 35 seconds (they may have been looking at another plane)
ATC then asks them to confirm again they have plane in sight and to pass behind them at 1:11. Collision is like 15 seconds later.
i'm no aviation expert but i'm not sure what else atc is supposed to do here, especially since they apparently didn't have real time altitude data from the helicopter (which was way above 200 feet) |
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Date: April 27th, 2025 5:20 PM Author: drab pit roommate How is the instructor so casual and non-chalant when they're a few seconds from crashing?
Makes me think they routinely come this close to crashing daily |
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Date: April 28th, 2025 1:04 PM Author: multi-colored avocado public bath i am doing something about it: enjoying your unhinged mental illness. i'm just perplexed on why this is so triggering for you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48887301) |
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Date: April 28th, 2025 1:17 PM Author: arousing area antidepressant drug Why is NSAM having a schizophrenic episode itt? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48887335) |
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Date: April 28th, 2025 7:47 PM Author: disrespectful church building fat ankles NSAM is friends with an actual blackhawk pilot instructor. Everything I say is solid gold and you know it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48888604) |
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Date: April 28th, 2025 7:54 PM Author: multi-colored avocado public bath FACT CHECK: NSAM has no friends and is referring to one of his separate personalities (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48888622) |
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Date: April 28th, 2025 8:07 PM Author: disrespectful church building fat ankles You're in denial. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48888651) |
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Date: April 28th, 2025 8:09 PM Author: multi-colored avocado public bath no, i'm pretty certain you're a mentally ill shut in gook. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48888658) |
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Date: April 28th, 2025 8:18 PM Author: disrespectful church building fat ankles You're denying the truth of what I'm saying. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48888678) |
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Date: April 28th, 2025 8:33 PM Author: multi-colored avocado public bath no i'm not. i have no idea what led to the accident because i'm not an expert in aviation. and neither are you, which is why it's crazy you pretend to be an expert on this, and everything else. however, based on your schizobabble on topics i am an expert in, i expect that's what you're doing here too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5717188&forum_id=2Elisa#48888717) |
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