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Hypo: birthright citizenship abolished. How would you prove US citizenship?
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:01 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934518) |
Date: July 29th, 2022 3:02 PM Author: maroon jew philosopher-king Only service guarantees citizenship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934523) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:05 PM Author: Cerebral crusty kitty I'm doing my part. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934540) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:15 PM Author: aromatic tanning salon round eye the only good bug is a dead bug! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934597) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 8:39 PM Author: Learning Disabled Carmine Death Wish Locale (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44936173) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:04 PM Author: Impertinent cruise ship Speaking and writing English competently. 90% of Southerners and most PoC are immediately disenfranchised, ensuring coastal liberal hegemony. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934537) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 9:53 PM Author: titillating antidepressant drug not so fast on the “writing” there, bud. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44936430) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:08 PM Author: Buff Wonderful University Pisswyrm gross (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934557) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:09 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy appetizing stage sweet tailpipe Most countries do not have birthright citizenship based on location of birth. Usually, it’s based on ancestry. You have to prove that one or both parents were citizens. Makes a lot more sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934560) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:11 PM Author: Pearly Travel Guidebook School I'm not sure what you're asking. Are you asking how I would go about proving my citizenship, or what the inclusion criteria for citizenship should be? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934574) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:14 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon Suppose the govt knocks on your door 1 millisecond after the ruling is issued and says "error: passport etc. erroneously issued on the basis of flawed and frankly incoherent constitutional analysis, please submit alternative verification of citizenship."
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:17 PM Author: Blue Floppy Roast Beef Gas Station I would show the land patents my ancestor received for land that I now own (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934610) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:18 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon Received. Thank you! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934614) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 5:49 PM Author: Misunderstood masturbator No white person can claim “ancestors” in the Americas. Its too string a word for third generation Italian immigrant or whatever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44935386) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 6:59 PM Author: Blue Floppy Roast Beef Gas Station My ancestors got here before this “country” existed. HTH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44935685) |
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Date: July 30th, 2022 9:27 AM Author: Milky aphrodisiac dog poop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44937998) |
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Date: July 30th, 2022 12:58 PM Author: Hairraiser Awkward Depressive Garrison Same (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44938711) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 8:41 PM Author: Learning Disabled Carmine Death Wish Locale what a bitter little Asian you are (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44936178) |
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Date: July 31st, 2022 8:47 AM Author: chocolate marketing idea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44941981) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 10:07 PM Author: Adventurous Mentally Impaired Church Building Headpube (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44936480) |
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Date: July 31st, 2022 10:28 AM Author: Odious den tank go away rudolph (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44942166) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:19 PM Author: Pearly Travel Guidebook School I'd need to know what the ruling was. It would be up to Congress to articulate a standard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934623) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:21 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon Thanks. We're gonna mark you "refused to respond to our request." Bye. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934632) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:21 PM Author: Pearly Travel Guidebook School OK but that's not accurate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934637) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:23 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon How is it inaccurate? Are you going to tell me it was an improperly formed request? That he's being denied due process because of it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934646) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:35 PM Author: Pearly Travel Guidebook School I mean yeah, it's pretty unusual to knock on doors when there is no articulated law to apply. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934693) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:38 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon Well yeah but it's also pretty unusual for the govt to fuck up this bad. But we're still here and you still haven't shown us anything except your legal opinion. At what point can we say you refused to comply with our request? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934702) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:52 PM Author: Pearly Travel Guidebook School When I've refused to comply, I'd think. I can't comply with an impossible request, though, so that's not a refusal
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:56 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon Gotcha. Well look here's the thing. I could have marked you "failed" to comply, but you were argumentative and you remained that way for some time. So I'll just mark you down as "combative." Thank you and good day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934790) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 5:06 PM Author: avocado reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44935175) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 6:25 PM Author: Pearly Travel Guidebook School I cheerfully object. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44935504) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:28 PM Author: gay meetinghouse In this hypothetical we would almost certainly be using citizenship by descent or naturalization. Lots of other big countries do this and don't grant citizenship just by being born within their territory (unless they would have no other citizenship). I can easily show the chain of my greatgrandparents being naturalized, then that I'm descended from them. What's more, one parent would be sufficient and I can do it for both. Most people could and this is fairly well archived. Was this supposed to be hard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934664) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:30 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon U still gotta convince us you didn't just steal somebody's family album (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934677) |
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Date: July 30th, 2022 12:36 AM Author: Snowy Mind-boggling Plaza Seriously? It's too bad they don't list parents on birth certificates. It's also too bad that the Social Security administration doesn't keep track of the Social Security number of your parents. How dumb is this hypo? It's trivial to prove who your parents are unless you are some kind of prole without any documents. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44937201) |
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Date: July 30th, 2022 3:47 AM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon How would your both certificate reveal anything about your great grandparents? For that matter how did their actions reflect your worthiness of US citizenship? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44937597) |
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Date: July 31st, 2022 4:56 PM Author: Snowy Mind-boggling Plaza JFC. My parents had birth certificates, too, you know? As did my grandparents and so on. In my case, if we are assuming citizenship by descent, I know I had at least one great grandparent that naturalized. My parents and grandparents were all born in the same small town, so I could get all the birth certificates in one trip to that town. All I need to track down is proof of naturalization for at least one great grandparent and then I can use the birth certificates to document that I am descended from a naturalized citizen. It would be kind of a pain in the ass, but it wouldn't be that hard to do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44943627) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 5:10 PM Author: Passionate gold dilemma So what's the new law that I'm trying to meet? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44935190) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 5:49 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44935388) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:19 PM Author: Razzle up-to-no-good fat ankles temple regular mad max thunderdome cagefights to the death w/ select weapons (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934620) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:29 PM Author: aromatic tanning salon round eye Master : These our witness, Aunty. Us suffer bad. Want justice. We want Thunderdome!
Aunty Entity : You know the law: Two men enter, one man leaves.
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Aunty Entity : Then it's your choice. Thunderdome. |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:58 PM Author: Razzle up-to-no-good fat ankles temple 180
Qween Kamala will play as Aunty Entity |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:33 PM Author: soul-stirring wine useless brakes location If you’ve paid more than a million in lifetime federal taxes you are a citizen who gets to vote. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934687) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:33 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon Received, thanl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934688) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:36 PM Author: bright rambunctious church im a jones act citizen and my family has been since 1917. longer than most unwashed ww2 immigrant faggots on this bort. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934696) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:39 PM Author: sable shrine puppy We do need to have a bort discussion on whether the azn/dot injun poasters should have their citizenship recognized. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934705) |
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Date: July 30th, 2022 5:38 AM Author: smoky bawdyhouse Shut up fool. Jews, Indians, and Asians now own the country. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44937669) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:40 PM Author: demanding corner "but i paith taxeth!" (shoots traitor in eyeball) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934709) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:43 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon Thank you. You should receive your new credentials in 4-6 months once we verify some things. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934717) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:52 PM Author: bright rambunctious church tyvm. in order to expedite my claim would proof of relatives being 65th infantry regiment veterans (borinqueneers) in both ww2 and korea help the application at all? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934770) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 4:01 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon It never hurts to provide us with information that can assist us in expediting the process for yourself or any other applicants you know of. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934827) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:39 PM Author: Exciting thirsty gaming laptop prole This is what 180 India did to Musbro shit infilitrators in the Northeast, just passed a law and then a ton were put on lists and they had to come in and prove their entitlement to citizenship. Of course many did not have proof so they got sent to concentration camps. These were all Musbro Bangladeshi shit refugees who infilitrated Mother Bharat, and India told them to furk off. Birdshits are not as alpha as Pradeep, they dont have the T levels or gorgeous cock power. So this will never happen in shithole USA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934706) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:44 PM Author: flesh market laser beams White English speaking persons of good character (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934721) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:52 PM Author: naked thriller codepig Height (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934771) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 3:56 PM Author: sick hell I would show them my dog and my AR. They see those two things, they'll know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934786) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 5:08 PM Author: avocado reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44935184) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 5:22 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon "Heh, how about we save some time here? We'll show you our guns and you tell us which ones you recognize." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44935252) |
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Date: July 15th, 2025 1:53 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon I'd still like a response from some tough-as-nails AR-15 owners with dogs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#49103396) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 4:18 PM Author: Swashbuckling flirting crotch "I'm ready to die for Israel." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934928) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 5:40 PM Author: naked thriller codepig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44935353) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 4:20 PM Author: Cobalt comical address i will share deeds that show i own land and people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934935) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 4:24 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon And how do you pronounce your name Mr...Zhang? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934949) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 4:26 PM Author: Cobalt comical address quiet slave. get back in your cage or you'll get the whip (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44934953) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 5:08 PM Author: avocado reading party I have dog tags of my great grandfather (same last name), the flag my grandmother was given when he died, and photographic evidence of him serving in WW2 for America. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44935182) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 9:52 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon Thanl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44936421) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 5:09 PM Author: Passionate gold dilemma I don't know what you're asking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44935188) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 5:45 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon "It's a pretty open ended question, but we decided to leave it that way for a reason. We've never had to do this before and we're learning as we go, so we wanted to be fair and give you the opportunity to tell us what YOU think constitutes evidence of your US citizenship." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44935368) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 6:25 PM Author: metal crystalline idiot patrolman Ancestor fought (for the US or the Confederacy) in one of the Revolution, 1812, Civil War, WWI, or WWII. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44935502) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 7:14 PM Author: Alcoholic Elastic Band I'd show them my high school football game tape (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44935747) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 7:30 PM Author: Chartreuse Sanctuary Pozpig White landowning male (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44935803) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 10:03 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon Define "land." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44936465) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 7:34 PM Author: spruce jet-lagged scourge upon the earth center i would be unable to establish citizenship. i had erroneously believed myself to be a citizen based on being born in the country, and i have not otherwise been naturalized. my parents and grandparents likewise erroneously believed that they were citizens based on being born in the country, but were not otherwise naturalized. perhaps somewhere in my family tree someone was actually naturalized as a citizen, but i cannot demonstrate it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44935833) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 10:05 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon Thank you. I can't make any promises but I'll recommend that your sincerity and candor be weighed in your favor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44936473) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 7:45 PM Author: trip stage ITT: what the third world looks, sounds, and feels like (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44935891) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 7:47 PM Author: primrose provocative dingle berry Grandfather obtained citizenship though military service. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44935900) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 10:06 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon Are you willing to do the same? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44936475) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 9:10 PM Author: Hairraiser Awkward Depressive Garrison I can trace ancestry back to a Revolutionary War officer; I assume that should be good enough/early enough. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44936275) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 10:07 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon It's actually kinda problematic that that's the most recent war you can invoke in your favor here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44936479) |
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Date: July 30th, 2022 12:53 PM Author: Hairraiser Awkward Depressive Garrison Oh, both of my grandfathers and one grandmother were in WWII also, of course, and I have all their records, medals, photos in service, etc.
I thought longevity in-country was the goal here as basically the opposite of simply happening to have been born here, and “ancestors present at the founding” seems reasonable. |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 10:06 PM Author: Adventurous Mentally Impaired Church Building Headpube (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44936476) |
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Date: July 29th, 2022 10:07 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon (polish guy) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44936481) |
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Date: July 30th, 2022 12:39 AM Author: Snowy Mind-boggling Plaza I would show them my Consular Report of Birth Abroad. That shows that the U.S. government recognized me as a citizen at birth even though I clearly did not obtain citizenship by being born on U.S. soil. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44937205) |
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Date: July 30th, 2022 3:43 AM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon Pwnage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44937594) |
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Date: July 30th, 2022 6:08 AM Author: Milky aphrodisiac dog poop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44937693) |
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Date: July 30th, 2022 3:50 AM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon Preliminary results are back. Responses suggest people claiming their ancestors fought wars to gain citizenship should do the same. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44937600) |
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Date: July 30th, 2022 12:56 PM Author: Hairraiser Awkward Depressive Garrison Dunno about this, founders secured rights for “us and our posterity” (i.e. *their* specific descendants—not the descendants of illegal Mexicans or whatever). Pretty sure many would not have fought if they didn’t think they were building something for their kids. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44938697) |
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Date: July 30th, 2022 10:33 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon Birthright citizenship created a free rider problem though. Our task is to recover what's left of the society the framers left us with. We also have to take into consideration the unique contributions of Irish as Italian immigrants, who are working hard within the judiciary to assist us in this endeavor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44940997) |
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Date: July 30th, 2022 10:36 PM Author: Magical Black Woman get the fuck out of here, giuseppe o'shea (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44941010) |
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Date: July 30th, 2022 10:38 PM Author: Hairraiser Awkward Depressive Garrison I agree, “birthright citizenship” creates a free-rider problem, but what you appear to be against is not in fact “birthright” citizenship, it’s citizenship “jus sanguinis”, which is absolutely what the Founders intended and is the classical, most fundamental form of citizenship. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44941020) |
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Date: July 30th, 2022 10:41 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon The framers made it clear that Congress has the authority to regulate naturalization. That's what we're really talking about here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44941035) |
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Date: July 30th, 2022 10:52 PM Author: Hairraiser Awkward Depressive Garrison Correct, *naturalization*. But there is no situation in which someone born on American soil to parents who are citizens is not a citizen, then, or now. There’s no naturalization happening there, because naturalization is the process by which a non-citizen gains citizenship.
I suppose you could say that Congress could in theory decide that some class of previously-naturalized immigrants were in fact illicitly naturalized and it doesn’t count, hence their descendants were never citizens in the first place. Maybe! But if you can demonstrate descent from citizens who were clearly in the country and citizens at the time of the Revolution (maybe even as late as the adoption of the Constitution) that is essentially untouchable evidence of citizenship “jus sanguinis”—no naturalization in that process at all. |
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Date: July 30th, 2022 10:57 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon If birthright citizenship is abolished and you want to claim ancestral ties you need to prove them somehow. Otherwise, if all you have is a birth certificate, we really are talking about naturalization. Congress could grandfather in all current citizens instead of making people apply, but why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44941092) |
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Date: July 31st, 2022 8:39 AM Author: Hairraiser Awkward Depressive Garrison Sure, you’d have to prove descent from either 1) family members who were unquestionably citizens by non-birthright criteria in the past (good); or 2) family members who were citizens at the time of the Founding (even better).
But this is literally THE key feature of citizenship at the time of the founding. It passed to your kids and their kids (NOT necessarily to the kids of other randos happening to be physically present in the country at some later date, of course. But YOURS? Yes. That’s why you founded the country.) |
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Date: July 31st, 2022 10:16 AM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon Sir this is not the time to invoke penumbras. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44942143) |
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Date: July 31st, 2022 4:31 PM Author: Hairraiser Awkward Depressive Garrison What about “secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity” is a penumbra to you? This is perhaps the fundamental feature of the United States.
All that other stuff—the details of naturalizing aliens, awarding citizenship via service programs for immigrants, birthright anchor babies for illegal Mexicans, whatever—is optional add-ons. You can mess with that stuff all you like.
Citizenship jus sanguinis, on the other hand, is the founding raison d'être of the nation. It is fundamental and without it the country does not exist. |
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Date: July 31st, 2022 5:02 PM Author: Snowy Mind-boggling Plaza (guy who has never heard of the 14th Amendment)
Birthright citizenship is in the Constitution. Amendments are just as much part of the Constitution as the original text. |
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Date: July 31st, 2022 8:31 PM Author: Hairraiser Awkward Depressive Garrison He’s clearly contemplating the repeal of the 14th Amendment here, which is fine I guess (and there’s always been some question of exactly who the birthright provision applies to, i.e. does it really cover illegals?), but the question is whether he is so fundamentally seeking to overturn the premise of the American nation as to contradict (or imagine away) the **rest** of the Constitution, including the bits the Framers themselves laid out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44944483) |
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Date: July 15th, 2025 1:55 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon I'm imagining how the conversations will go before we throw cons in mass graves. Sometimes it's fun to interrogate people before you kill them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#49103403) |
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Date: July 30th, 2022 6:07 AM Author: Milky aphrodisiac dog poop My first American ancestor arrived here in the 1650s; the last immigrant in my family line was in 1670.
Numerous documents and pictures of my ancestors in various wars, between the Revolutionary War and WW2.
I am current mil.
One or all of those should about cover it. |
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Date: July 30th, 2022 6:09 AM Author: Magical Black Woman If you don't have DAR/SAR papers you have to go back (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44937695) |
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Date: July 30th, 2022 9:47 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle police squad mental disorder official passport (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44938078) |
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Date: July 30th, 2022 10:35 PM Author: Hyperventilating High-end Casino show them my lgbtqia and blm tattoos (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44941004) |
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Date: July 31st, 2022 8:56 AM Author: Swollen lavender rigpig if you have to ask, you have to go back (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#44941993) |
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Date: July 15th, 2025 1:52 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon OP here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#49103395) |
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Date: July 15th, 2025 1:55 PM Author: fear-inspiring at-the-ready international law enforcement agency obviously it would be if the parents are citizens you retarded schizo fag (i.e. - kids of illegals, chink H1Bs, anchor babies, and other bullshit would be dingfaged). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#49103404) |
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Date: July 15th, 2025 1:57 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon How would you prove your parents were citizens? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#49103407) |
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Date: July 15th, 2025 1:59 PM Author: fear-inspiring at-the-ready international law enforcement agency their SSN? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#49103414) |
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Date: July 15th, 2025 1:56 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy appetizing stage sweet tailpipe Skin color (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#49103406) |
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Date: July 15th, 2025 1:57 PM Author: Splenetic chapel dragon If you're white, we'll presume you're from South Africa on a refugee visa until you prove otherwise. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#49103409) |
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Date: July 15th, 2025 1:57 PM Author: vigorous trust fund I would be totally fucked. I would show up in an Adidas tracksuit and with a thick Russian accent. They would say "name this baseball player" and I'd shrug and they would go "that's fucking Mickey Mantle. Ok, let's try an easier one." I would shrug again and he would say "you really don't know what Babe Ruth looks like? Alright, you're going to Alligator Alcatraz" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#49103408) |
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Date: July 15th, 2025 1:59 PM Author: glassy exhilarant house If birthright citizenship is retroactively abolished, then I would not be able to prove citizenship. I was never naturalized, believing myself to be a natural born citizen. All of my ancestors that I ever met were in the same category. As for my ancestors who were not born in this country, I have no way of finding out whether they were naturalized. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5163557&forum_id=2Elisa#49103412) |