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Have you ever actually read Claude Shannon's 1948 paper which built the internet
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Date: April 8th, 2025 9:03 PM Author: sooty church building here you go:
https://people.math.harvard.edu/~ctm/home/text/others/shannon/entropy/entropy.pdf
let's all read this and have a confab kind of thing next week. we never really talk about information theory on here; time to change that. |
Date: April 8th, 2025 10:05 PM Author: aphrodisiac crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2Elisa#48829468) |
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Date: April 18th, 2025 11:35 PM Author: sooty church building gotta be honest; i'm not done reading this yet. in fact, i have barely started. i am unilaterally postponing our colloquium to may 2nd. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2Elisa#48862023) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2025 8:53 AM Author: Pale metal theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2Elisa#48870130) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2025 8:53 AM Author: Wonderful Milk ty i'm just starting let's do the book club talk next week (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2Elisa#48870131) |
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Date: October 27th, 2025 4:16 AM Author: sooty church building i'm still committed to doing this btw. i got massively sidetracked by a whole lot of tracks. preliminarily, let's do this in january or so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2Elisa#49377980) |
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Date: October 27th, 2025 4:20 AM Author: Fighting pit goyim would love to read and discuss this with you friend but they nuked my soul and now i'm retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2Elisa#49377982) |
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Date: October 27th, 2025 4:39 AM Author: sooty church building i don't think we're going to focus on specific equations as much as more general ideas. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2Elisa#49377984) |
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Date: October 27th, 2025 5:09 AM Author: cerise mother or how does marconi work? The telephone? How was the first machine-production factory built without preexisting machines? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2Elisa#49378005) |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 5:13 PM Author: Electric Violent Haunted Graveyard Macaca (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2Elisa#49421417) |
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Date: December 29th, 2025 8:55 AM Author: sooty church building my body is getting ready for this. i literally haven't read the paper yet, but i feel like it's almost time to swallow it down in one gulp like fish TP's christmas carp. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2Elisa#49546731) |
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Date: December 29th, 2025 8:56 AM Author: bearded black woman senate Of course. Multiple times, in fact. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2Elisa#49546732) |
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Date: December 29th, 2025 9:16 AM Author: sooty church building okay now wait until i actually read this stuff and then we can have some kind of discourse. estimated time maybe 15 days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2Elisa#49546750) |
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Date: December 29th, 2025 7:11 PM Author: bearded black woman senate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2Elisa#49548152) |
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Date: December 29th, 2025 6:18 PM Author: Wonderful Milk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707716&forum_id=2Elisa#49548045) |
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Date: January 17th, 2026 8:13 AM Author: ,.,..,.,..,.,.,.,..,.,.,,..,..,.,,..,.,,. this is an extremely good paper so far. i'm not ready to discuss the whole thing yet, but i'm into it a bit, and i should lay down some very preliminary ideas to begin to ground this whole thing for non-experts.
shannon's job here is to formalize the problem of communication. not some sort of habermas generality about psycho-emotive human communication, but the actual components of a 'message' in theory. what does it even mean to 'communicate' anything at all?
shannon's approach is to decompose 'message' into its barest constituent units, which he cites other theorists before himself as describing in terms of 'bits.' for example, when he talks about television transmissions, he describes them in terms of XY grid coordinates (the individual dots appearing on a screen) at any given moment, and then each coordinate has a motion in terms of time.
there is a unit of time in which each XY coordinate shifts value. in his era, it would have been the standard refresh rate in terms of hertz, which was the rate at which a cathode ray tube could scan a particular field. or around 30 frames per second.
in this type of 'message,' we now have a specific set of data (dots per image and image per unit of time) which must now be transmitted between a sender and a receiver. this data can be described in terms of bits to express the overall size of the transmission. easy enough, no?
NO!
because we have INTERFERENCE. interference is any sort of additional data contributed to the set of data which defines our original message. interference can come from any source (weather, hackers, animals chewing through wires, etc.). in terms of our analog TV example, interference visually represents as STATIC. static is the shit we don't want.
shannon's task from this point forward is to establish methods by which to deal with interference, and to reconstruct - as best he can - the original and purest form of the 'message' prior to its transmission.
to be continued, probably. |