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What happened to "MMORPGs"? Did (((they))) stop making them?
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Date: January 5th, 2025 2:34 PM Author: Horus Lupercal If you look at the top MMOs today it's basically the same list from 2005 - WoW, Guild Wars, Runescape, EVE Online plus some grindy chinkshit
From 2005-2015 or so companies constantly tried to achieve the same level of success
did they all just give up? How is a game that's literally over two decades old still dominating everyone? WoW could literally sell its asshole pics on the internet for $$$ and buy cigarettes legally |
Date: January 5th, 2025 2:42 PM Author: Mailer Daemon making a post about modern MMOs and not mentioning ff14 suggests that you might not know what you're talking about but basically what happened is the consumer base for MMOs got pulled into skinner box gacha games which make way more money because unlike subscription based MMOs there is no limit on how much revenue you can get from a single user |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 2:50 PM Author: Horus Lupercal I mentioned "grindy chinkshit".
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Date: January 5th, 2025 2:45 PM Author: smug lib law dorks Nigh impossible to take the spotlight away from the classics---WoW, EVE, GW 2, et al. Smaller MMOs with similar mechanics always get mulched no matter how good this or that in them might be (MxO, Warhammer Online, etc) FF whatever (12? 13? 14?) it was had some success amongst anime.pfp twitter powerusers and hentai gooners and Elder Scrolls Online did alright for itself all things considered (worth noting it doesn't have a monthly sub iirc? only cost is xpacs/story DLC and microtransactions). Oh and lets not forget China's MSS spyware suite Genshin Impact which is also crushing it with hentai gooners & waifu collectors Z-ers and younger also seem to prefer the plug and play instant action of large lobby battle royale type games like Fortnite/Pubg/COD:WZ over the slower paced dungeon crawling or open world exploration that mid-game MMOs make into a ritual. Not to mention that few games truly do "subscription based" and still maek it these days (and battle pass sales are definitely not comparable to subs imo) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 2:52 PM Author: smug lib law dorks WoW in particular just has so much diverse content in it at this point that it really does feel like an entire world unto itself. Not to mention the massive social scene with millions of different guilds and loads of player generated content a la EVE-lite throughout (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48520870) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 2:46 PM Author: races of everyone involved? It really is a microcosm of the decline. There's just no room in this world for a good old white man's legacy MMO. The only reason worlo has 'survived' (people love to opine on how WoW is this unkillable albatross carrying the genre on it's back) is because 'WoW' has been hollowed out & skinsuited, much like the United States of America in its role on the global stage.
In the non cursed timeline, Blizzard never went public, never had to chase jew earnings reports with yearly expansions raping the IP. Cata had the class design of mop, and wow 2 / pantheon replaced WoW before it lived too long. Instead, we have a glorified gacha dress up game for women, minorities and paypigs, with a small echelon of high end players. A dead game draped in the skin of a classic IP made with passion by a soulful dev team. Just a trojan horse in a dead genre & passionless industry, on an inexorable trend towards dumb terminal microtransacted DRM / GaaS / cloud-streamed globohomo.
Playing worlo = playing in some jews portfolio (an apt moniker for the U.S) perfectly encapsulating the decline of America, which is now a featureless deracinated wasteland glorified free trade zone filled with mutts and no sovl. A pachinko RMT gacha cash shop mogs mounts cheevos lobby for NPC golem, women, minorities, thirdies & low IQs with bots to boost the earnings report numbers just like fake employment stats The age of passion project, made for desktop PC, high/medieval fantasy MMORPG, developed by sane, level headed cultured white men is never coming back. Too many jews, too many low IQ consumers, lowest common denominator gacha addicted lefty gynocentric tranny mutts. |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 2:46 PM Author: races of everyone involved? Discord is just a communication tool What killed the genre was web 2.0 and the evolution of the player from an organic experience to minmaxxed meta gaming in concert with products changing to suit market trending into anomie & a lower common denominator consumer |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 2:47 PM Author: races of everyone involved? You can't because, it's the same reason WoW survived the death of the MMORPG genre It found a way to drape a p2w RMT mobile game skinner box business model over a white mans legacy MMO based on player driven player focused experience the future is pachinko gacha made for mobile GaaS (Games as a Service). Dreamhaven is a boomer cope. It is categorially OVER. |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:15 PM Author: Incel Highly CR. 180
Please address the following:
Are you planning to play kingdom come deliverance 2? Do you think it will be 180?
Have you tried PoE2? Thoughts?
Stalker2? Thoughts? |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:18 PM Author: races of everyone involved? I don't play video games, I post Map Games are a Triumph & are unassailable POE2 is a Triumph Stalker is apparently buggy (good omen) but on the right path |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:34 PM Author: seeking arrangement grooming gang member Wow 180
I just subscribed to your Substack |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:41 PM Author: races of everyone involved? but wow is 120 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48521032) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 2:47 PM Author: Oh, you travel? ( ) I don't know what the point of an MMO without PvP is supposed to be. Problem is, as soon as you implement PvP, Losers complain because they suck and die every three seconds. So every MMO eventually becomes a Loserfest "co-op" thing or the PvP is instanced off to some arena battle where Nothing Matters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48520849) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 2:56 PM Author: Horus Lupercal WoW was and remains a heavily PVE game imo. Large-scale complex raids where dozens of players need to practice as a team and learn all the mechanics and play their little bit roles is what made the game special
PVP in WoW's authentic original form was just a way for you to show off your Giant Sword of Assraping or w/e that you got from slaying Faglord Maximus for the 8th week in a row |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 2:58 PM Author: cowgod (cowgod180@hotmail.com) Wow pve raids seem consequential. I mean there is nothing funnier than killing Losers bc of how it ruins their life irl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48520877) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:01 PM Author: Oh, you travel? ( ) but you are just teaming up against scripted bots that are programmed to be less intelligent and capable than you. that seems gay imo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48520886) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:05 PM Author: cowgod (cowgod180@hotmail.com) Ok that’s what video games are like in totality except multiplayer. Single player games are what win gens. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48520892) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:23 PM Author: Incel .01% of the WoW population killed Mu’ru back in Burning Crusade and it was premium content that they were missing not just some HARDMODE bullshit of the same boss like they do now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48520944) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:27 PM Author: races of everyone involved? NOONE actually likes TBC in practice
The raw numbers over 14+ years never seem to backup all the people trying to wisftully shill TBC as some halcyon of WoW where everything was better. I'm not saying they are being disingenous, but they're conflating their childhood/youth with a good or enjoyable expac
Every TBC private server was very very small. TBC has been available for free for 14+ years on many many servers, and the scene was ALWAYS small.
TBC has been available in varying levels of quality for decades, easily accessible, and noone fucking played it. It almost mirrors the AFPS scene, where all the 'ex quake' players poopoo every single new release, while every title in their genre they claim is 'better' or 'good' is utterly deserted, TBC is just a little status symbol people throw around for MMO street cred
The level of knowledge/theorycrafting compared to vanilla is laughable, despite it only being 3 years younger,
TBC was played for 14+ years by anyone, Even if privates got some armor/hp/damage values different, you cannot deny noone even cared about BC on the same level as vanilla. And yet, with 2021 levels of 'gamer' TC & 'skill' people dropped TBC and find no reason to stay engaged, many 'top' guilds disbanding, despite the roster requirements being 25 players comapred to 40, if anything, it should have been EASIER to raid hardcore in TBCC or engage in high skilled PVP, why aren't they playing it? Why are they quitting?
People will cope
'TBC is dead because of staggered content release' 'not enough content' 'bots killed it' *only valid point wrt economy & consume / time cost 'metagamers killed it'
Truth is the game is quite boring & loses it's luster very quickly, it was over in 2008, and everyone who says 'TBC was good' can finally shut their traps and look at the corpse of TBCC to finally put this to bed. |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:29 PM Author: Incel TBC classic was 180 imo and I’d redirect most points in your screed towards (((wotlk))) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48520975) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:30 PM Author: races of everyone involved? The most damning indictment of WOTLK being the (((peak)) it is where that subs plateau HARD, just enough new players coming in to cover the HAEMORRAGING (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48520983) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:34 PM Author: Incel It was truly dogshit. I loved the itemization in BC—I had a trinket from a heroic dungeon that I didn’t replace until Illidan. That was completely lost in wrath. The argent tournament raid was the last straw for me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48521006) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:39 PM Author: races of everyone involved? Lol, That being your last straw is hilarious, You should've dropped it when they shoveled that Naxx down your throat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48521028) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:52 PM Author: Incel Never played vanilla naxx I was like 9yo when it came out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48521064) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:36 PM Author: Horus Lupercal WoTLK was incredible but started the game hard on the path its been on since then
TBC felt very vanilla-esque with only the most egregious of issues fixed, WoTLK was WoW's New Deal with the designers radically changing everything they took issue with
"This is inconvenient, what if we added a dungeon finder" etc. |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:42 PM Author: smug lib law dorks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48521035) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:34 PM Author: Horus Lupercal It took a long time for qualty TBC servers to come out and when they did they were massive events. Gummy's TBC server Felmyst was massively hyped and then he rugpulled everyone an hour after launch
TBC was good, not as good as vanilla but good.
WoTLK was also amazing but started the casualization process
after that it was hit or miss, mostly misses with some high points |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:35 PM Author: smug lib law dorks I loved TBC dude It was the peak of the series imo. Right around when Sunwell went live was 🧑🍳💋 WoW perfection imo re: private server gear, I've never played a single private server that had the values for anything right, they all seem to use these different arcane stat systems that are always on the verge of breaking game balance |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:37 PM Author: races of everyone involved? It takes years of truth seeking to soberly, bitterly arrive at these conclusions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48521015) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:37 PM Author: Horus Lupercal TBC warlock felt amazing to play (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48521016) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:37 PM Author: races of everyone involved? It was a 2 button class MoP warlock mogs it, youre old nigger |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 4:02 PM Author: Horus Lupercal beautiful simplicity
super chill leveling experience (I liked passive battery imp) spam DOTing several mobs and drain tanking
elite PVP class dotting and drain life / drain mana-ing
elite PVE class... ok yeah you just spam shadowbolt |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:38 PM Author: smug lib law dorks Loved my blood elf paladin personally. Pally was an absolute chad class to play during BC, great options available for dungeons, pvp (arena and bg), and raiding and was a solid counter to the Huntard scourge that ruled the dps meta for late vanilla, up through most of BC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48521022) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 4:03 PM Author: Horus Lupercal did you play WoTLK?
WoTLK at launch playing either DK or Paladin was hilarious, comically overpowered |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 4:07 PM Author: smug lib law dorks yeah i did. Wrath was pretty solid but also the high watermark for a while DK was so gd broken at release, it was hilarious in PVP. The forums were full of player protests |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 4:24 PM Author: Horus Lupercal i remember they had that goofy "revive as a ghoul" meme ability and the ghoul was also pretty strong.
among the most fun I had was playing warlock when ICC came out. I would get a couple buddies and (importantly) a druid from the other faction and we would stand on top of a mountain near ICC, and spam people "LF1M - ICC". We'd invite them, i'd summon them to the mountain, then the druid would typhoon them to their death, then we'd kick them from the group |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 4:25 PM Author: smug lib law dorks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48521148) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:53 PM Author: Incel Cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48521068) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 4:38 PM Author: seeking arrangement grooming gang member Cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48521202) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 2:51 PM Author: cowgod (cowgod180@hotmail.com) Im not exactly sure, you’d think there’d be awesome MMOs but they are just their own niche just like anything else. It always seemed a MMO of any open world game would be better but in practice most western devs can’t deliver. WOW succeeds bc blizzard was/is competent. Elder Scrolls online is forgotten afaik. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48520864) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 2:51 PM Author: races of everyone involved? https://arch-img.b4k.co/vg/1606438032133.jpg
cope, seethe and dilate chud
Exactly why do gamers deserve better? Why are you entitled to non-DRM, non-GaaS, made for mobile, cloud-streamed/dumb terminal gacha?
In the same way rentier class has ovetaken the home ownership class, owning your games, owning your hardware, having agency etc aren't for serfs like you. The ROI on gacha and gaas models are unbelievable. Mobile is 52% of the market. Face it. The age of passion project 'blockbuster' games is over. It's going to be P2W Gacha, lowest common denominator, zero delayed gratification trash rented by subhumans.
In the same way that the internet changed into a more gynocentric 'normie' place with the inception of the iPhone in 2008. You are a dinosaur, and jews, mobiles, women, normies & paypig whales are the meteorite. sit down, shut up and LISTEN white boy. it's time to LISTEN. white silence.
sources provided in screenshot and yes this is INFLATION ACCOUNTED. |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:00 PM Author: giga weed (🧐) are you the NSAM of Gaming? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48520881) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 4:39 PM Author: seeking arrangement grooming gang member (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48521206) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:00 PM Author: races of everyone involved? Unironically Chinks, Jews and literal retarded brown people skinsuiting and cargo culting something created by White Men to be Enjoyed Organically akin to a LOTR style adventure into a number grind meta game soullessly raped by braindead ethnic minorities and various glabrous losers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48520884) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:34 PM Author: seeking arrangement grooming gang member 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48521003) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:01 PM Author: races of everyone involved? Unironically Jews, Brown people, women, chinks, Joos (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48520885) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:21 PM Author: ....,,....,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.......,.,.,.,.,..,. They’ve exhausted all potential IP in their failed attempts. Star Wars, LOTR, Elder Scrolls, etc. FF14 is the only semi-successful one. Building something from scratch doesn’t seem feasible, so what’s left? Harry Potter? GOT? Mass Effect? Star Trek? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48520939) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:44 PM Author: smug lib law dorks tbh a Harry Potter mmo might be one of the only IPs with the right sort of fanbase to keep it afloat during that critical first year. I could see it. And whatever it was called, the multiplatform HP release---Hogwarts Legacies? or something apparently did very good sales numbers and was quite fun as a game (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48521037) |
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Date: January 6th, 2025 9:52 PM Author: Clive Sheepdog Lewis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48525821) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:25 PM Author: races of everyone involved? https://arch-img.b4k.co/vg/1705085739344.jpg (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48520953) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 3:34 PM Author: seeking arrangement grooming gang member Powerful thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48521004) |
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Date: January 5th, 2025 4:04 PM Author: Clive Sheepdog Lewis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48521102) |
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Date: January 6th, 2025 11:39 AM Author: giga weed (🧐) just a bunch of chill random monikers with a lot of casual opinions about the State of Gaming (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48523543) |
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Date: January 6th, 2025 3:25 PM Author: Clive Sheepdog Lewis T-mfing-P. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48524377) |
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Date: January 6th, 2025 10:00 PM Author: seeking arrangement grooming gang member (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48525848) |
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Date: January 6th, 2025 10:01 PM Author: Clive Sheepdog Lewis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5659469&forum_id=2Elisa#48525851) |