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Ecclesiastes seems to inhabit phenomenologically the crucifixion of opposites
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:39 PM Author: Consuela (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2Elisa#49977433) |
Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:40 PM Author: dat rigor isnt it just about a depressed jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2Elisa#49977438) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:42 PM Author: Consuela He’s depressed because everything is Vanity, ephemeral, nothing lasts
He spends the time in the text testing various containers - money, power, sex, etc - finding everything wanting |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:43 PM Author: dat rigor isn't that lack "fulfilled" later on with the dead, hanging jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2Elisa#49977444) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:45 PM Author: Consuela Bartholomew in his academic exegesis of Ecclesiastes argues that, yes, but I see it as an offloading of the agony of the crucifixion of opposites (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2Elisa#49977446) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:46 PM Author: dat rigor i think every christian in history thinks jesus was the Christ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2Elisa#49977447) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:47 PM Author: Consuela Sure, my point is that it’s hard to read Ecclesiastes for what it is when one thinks the problems it wrestles with in a very painful way have been superseded
But the problems it deals with are a constant part of being alive |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:48 PM Author: dat rigor that begs the question of whether you need to read it that way at all, or whether it's an inaccurate and misguided misanthropy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2Elisa#49977450) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:48 PM Author: Consuela No one else seems to have read it that way, so I think it’s a novel approach
I’ll be writing about it soon |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:51 PM Author: John Robert's wigger drug addict son There is nothing new under the sun (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2Elisa#49977455) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:54 PM Author: Consuela (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2Elisa#49977461) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:56 PM Author: John Robert's wigger drug addict son You should get a ThM (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2Elisa#49977465) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:56 PM Author: dat rigor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2Elisa#49977467) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 4:57 PM Author: Consuela For what purpose? I don’t care to be a professor or academic, I don’t need the rubber stamp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2Elisa#49977468) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 5:01 PM Author: John Robert's wigger drug addict son Because you have no idea what you’re talking about (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2Elisa#49977476) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 5:16 PM Author: Consuela you're welcome to offer your interpretation, champ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2Elisa#49977491) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 5:24 PM Author: dat rigor im not following here. what is your interpretation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2Elisa#49977497) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 5:29 PM Author: Consuela thesis of the post will be roughly as follows, although i have some more sources to read first
the oscillation in Ecclesiastes that has puzzled commentators from the rabbinic debates at Jamnia to Bartholomew’s modern analysis is the phenomenological record of someone performing the crucifixion of opposites under a god-image that contains evil but lacks the vocabulary to name what it contains. Each time Qohelet finds a provisional foothold (wisdom is better than folly, enjoyment is a gift, companionship has value) he immediately tests it against the structural reality he has observed and finds it insufficient. The foothold is real but it cannot hold the weight of a condition that admits no permanent resolution. Every available interpretive framework (orthodox Jewish, Christian, secular academic) requires the oscillation to resolve in a direction it never takes: the religious Jewish reader needs it to end in “fear God and keep the commandments", the Christian reader needs it to end in Christ, the secular pessimist reader needs it to be a cry of despair, the academic structuralist catalogs its polar opposites without asking what generates them, but none of these readings can sit still in the oscillation itself. The Abraxian framework can, because it has a name for the structural condition Qohelet is navigating without being able to name. |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 6:34 PM Author: dat rigor this seems like the whole "the only thing that doesn't change is change itself" bit. I'm not sure im following what "abraxis" is. Is that like transgenderism? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2Elisa#49977606) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 6:37 PM Author: Consuela abraxas is the term for a god image containing both good and evil, horrifying totality. jung articulated the concept in his seven sermons to the dead and the liber novus, although he ultimately backed away from it in favor of god evolving his consciousness over time through man
if of interest, see here:
https://neofeudalreview.substack.com/p/the-collapse-of-the-all-good-god
and here:
https://livingopposites.substack.com/p/the-formal-logic-of-the-crucifixion
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 6:38 PM Author: dat rigor isn't "god image" just whatever a person values most highly? On that reading, you're saying you value evil, which is morally repugnant position.
or are you making a different claim that "god" is an objective thing out there which just so happens to be good and evil. |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 6:41 PM Author: Consuela as limited, finite beings, we cannot perceive what "god" is. we have an image of what he is which changes over time (and over aeons). during the piscean era the god image generally has been a god of all good, the "privatio boni", where evil was considered a deprivation of god
but the god image doesn't have to be a god figure, its the highest order belief that humans have - it could be capitalism, or communism, or other things. our highest order beliefs are a hinge proposition (wittgenstein term) which presupposes what our thoughts and perceptions even are
there is more about this here: https://livingopposites.substack.com/p/the-god-image-as-regulatory-architecture
for me, my core problem was that my god image - a god as all loving - did not match up with my perception of reality. with an updated god image containing totality, my perception of reality and my god image do no longer clash, which for me makes reality easier to inhabit (although it is still difficult)
this doesn't mean being evil or being a predator, there are structural reasons to avoid that which don't involve fear of punishment in the afterlife |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 6:47 PM Author: dat rigor sounds like some kind of psychologized dispensationalism.
but im not following. are you saying "god is evil" or that "my god image is evil."
i think you're saying "the world makes more sense to me if i believe god is evil." which is a weak claim. sense-making isn't a standard of truth afaict
if i had to put a read on this, i'd say you're making a social critique, wherein you don't think what other people call "evil" is really evil. So you construct this elaborate metaphysics to avoid having to hold the position that what you are and what you believe is heterodox.
it seems like the whole jung thing is a detour to justify this to yourself, and there is something more substantive ("evil" to others, but true to you) waiting to happen |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 6:51 PM Author: Consuela no. my argument is that this reality is structured as pairs of opposites, where nothing makes sense except in terms of its opposites - light vs darkness, good vs evil, matter vs spirituality, hot vs cold, up vs down, in vs out, materialism vs ascetic withdrawal, strength vs weakness, etc. there are an infinite number of such pairs. from my perspective, God must contain all pairs of opposites. what christianity does is deny the "evil" pole, which is then suppressed into the unconscious where it leaks out uncontrollably, including onto enemies
if or when one sees reality this way, then the "evil" of the world is not some monstrous denial or rejection of god, it is *contained within a god image of totality itself* - which in many ways is more horrifying than atheism or evil existing as simply free will |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 6:55 PM Author: dat rigor yeah but again, this is gay metaphysics, social critique, and a moral endorsement of evil. is the whole point you're trying to communicate, "wow im horrified here's why?" are you a performance artist? I don't get it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2Elisa#49977648) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 7:00 PM Author: Consuela it is not a moral endorsement of evil, for structural reasons though. i'm not going to get into it here, this is already a substhread wasteland, but its addressed directly in part 2 of the collapse of the all good god post linked above
the point of an updated god image is it dramatically increases energy flow and efficiency for those whose god image and perception of reality are not synched. furthermore, as the world continues its descent into neoliberal feudalism hell - which will get much worse - more and more people will cross the threshold where their existing god image will be somatically pressured into duress. this is who the work is directed at |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 7:01 PM Author: dat rigor ok so you're trying to make a religion. i guess that makes sense. how do you support yourself? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2Elisa#49977668) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 7:02 PM Author: Consuela i am not trying to make a religion, because living under totality prevents the egregore formation that religion requires
you've thrown out a lot of wrong suppositions about my perspective ITT instead of keeping an open mind and reading things
i support myself with money |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 7:04 PM Author: dat rigor yeah i mean call it whatever you want but i would call it founding a religion, or a philosophy cult or whatever. doesn't matter. im just wondering if you're making money from the religion or if the religion is a side project (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2Elisa#49977680) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 5:39 PM Author: Ricky the very beginning of Kohelet in hebrew is quite literally a confirmation of the Demiurge or Firstborn Angel creating this realm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2Elisa#49977529) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 5:41 PM Author: dat rigor sounds like a fucking yugioh episode (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2Elisa#49977530) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 5:43 PM Author: forum doesn?t work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2Elisa#49977536) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 5:47 PM Author: Consuela he refers to god only as "elohim" throughout, never as "yahweh", because he is referring imo to ein sof, not a tribal lesser god
ecclesiastes is really quite subversive re: authority which is why they had to affix some lame trite conclusion on at the end, its a wonder that rabbinical authorities included it in the official corpus |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 5:58 PM Author: Ricky ein sof is not elohim, elohim is the demiurge aka metatron and samael (and host of other angels (fallen?) rephaim), havayah is the name of god closer to the ein sof
yahweh is somethign else entirely
he uses differnet names throughut it, i wrote this in taht other poast, the haval hevalim thing being teh 6 days of creation under the demiurge/elohim
he's lamenting how sps the elohim creation is |
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Date: July 3rd, 2026 5:50 PM Author: sup killa (πΎπ£) If you have a shit life just stay in your lane my brothers, eat your fill, get loaded, sing and dance, YOLO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5879461&forum_id=2Elisa#49977556) |