If you think about it for just a minute or two and get over the fact that most here would lose the right to vote, along with a bunch of other "good" people, the resulting leadership and state of the country would be much better off if only they voted. Wayy better off.

the "debate" hasn't even happened yet but its obvious to me and anyone who has a stake in this country that it would be so much better.

every election would be between a hardliner and someone else right of center. there would never be a 'risk' that kalama harris or some freak like that wins. there wouldn't be any illegals here ever. social programs would all still exist because military uses them too.

only vets voting is CR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5875227&forum_id=2Elisa#49945828)

But even if true it still would be worth it given the other benefits to this country. And its not even close.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5875227&forum_id=2Elisa#49945832)

The point isn't that specific example you fucking politishit retard, it's that vets would run wild creating a system that benefits their own above all else. Ljl if you think they would be some benevolent based benefactors and not just a dictatorship of 105 IQ tatted proles voting to give themselves money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5875227&forum_id=2Elisa#49945838)

Your posting in here is a great example of why you should lose the right to vote. the franchise was never meant to extend to people like yourself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5875227&forum_id=2Elisa#49945844)

every election would be between a hardliner and someone else right of center. there would never be a 'risk' that kalama harris or some freak like that wins. there wouldn't be any illegals here ever. social programs would all still exist because military uses them too.

No fucking shit this entire thread is speculation. I'm saying yours is grounded in some childlike fantasy of how based it could be and mine is grounded in thinking about what would actually happen when a not particularly smart and very self congratulating group of people gain exclusive power over the country.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5875227&forum_id=2Elisa#49945848)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5875227&forum_id=2Elisa#49945850)

One or two years volunteerish/NGO/peace corps type service where you're "Held at the convenience of the United States government" for a small amount of pay with military style room and board . Would've loved to do that after high school as an alternative

Works for other countries. It's either that or reform civics education

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5875227&forum_id=2Elisa#49945907)

Maybe keep universal franchise but add a weighted vote system. One vote weighs for two or three votes for civic service holders

The spread of this would also not be as right leaning as keeping it strictly for veterans. I'd wager that it'd be somewhere reasonably close to right down the middle

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5875227&forum_id=2Elisa#49945917)

Besides that, there are going to be more and more Long and Trump type populist candidates simply because it wins votes even if its not politically sustainable if there isn't some kind of reform. Libs will hang themselves again and again by not realizing exactly how new and radical some of these recent ideas about this republic that calls itself a democracy actually are. The progressive neoliberal position that defined the Obama years till today is not a natural calling for the lower classes, that much should be obvious by now, it's a predilection of a decadent urban bourgeoisie, and that entire paradigm was kept afloat by a permanent mind-warping propaganda blitz that used taxpayer funds for one way partisan ends

It's not going to keep working like it used to without some change. The internet shows people for themselves without much filter what's been tried here and elsewhere and what the results are and people are going to keep asking questions like OPs and if the substance of the matter isn't addressed then you're going to get very dumb people with very bad ideas pushing things that are truly radical and against even the basic principles of the two party system (like the idea that political action should be 1. equitable and 2. in the non-partisan interests of the national base that the parties nominally serve)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5875227&forum_id=2Elisa#49945927)

Would improve the military and citizenry though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5875227&forum_id=2Elisa#49947002)

I am definitely in favor of a much more limited voting structure. If anything, making people feel like they need to "be informed" and care about this shit all the time is basically a form of mental torture. And it clearly just leads to a number of bad outcomes (unless you are a rentier profiting from an engorged state.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5875227&forum_id=2Elisa#49947099)

half of the people don't even understand the question, which is: "which is preferable, the status quo, or changing from the status quo to only people who have had military service voting?" there are all kinds of responses that are people just making up favorable strawmen in their heads and then pretending (not realizing?) like that is the position that is being advocated for vs. military-only suffrage, instead of the status quo

i would be very shocked to see anyone here actually give a sincerely-believed, full-throated defense of the status quo of the US as preferable to the hypothetical state of the US if we were to switch to military-only suffrage. like the OP points out, it's not even close - military-only suffrage would be vastly preferable and would be a vastly more desirable society compared to the status quo

really strange topic discussion so far although it's at least relatively interesting vs other common topics here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5875227&forum_id=2Elisa#49947096)