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Den of Thieves really is the best heist movie since Heat
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:16 AM Author: Exhilarant station Seen it five times and would watch it again right now. Even 50 Cent has a good performance. And there's new layers I catch each time.
Screenwriters obviously studied Heat and reconstructed the elements (out of control cop, hero bad guy, interesting crews, big set up to the score, clever heist, big action to close out movie). But it really works. Surprised there are no threads on XO about it. |
Date: June 12th, 2020 7:19 AM Author: Dashing Hateful Sweet Tailpipe Brethren I'm stunned that the writers of a heist movie ripped off Heat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4558707&forum_id=2Elisa#40402523) |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:31 AM Author: Exhilarant station It's a fairly loving homage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4558707&forum_id=2Elisa#40402544) |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:21 AM Author: Bearded emerald menage mexican 1) the fat guy who was the rat spent way too much time in public meeting with russel crowe and his crew. seriously he's with marsoc marines or army rangers in their hometown (pablo's character played football at a high school in the police district) and then dips out to meet with cops in a tailor's store for 20 min?
2) those guys were hanging around the treasury building too much to contradict the parking lot scene where he said don't get near the building or we'll be identified.
3) the shootout at the end....they already did one bank robbery like 20 min prior to the escape. how would LA only have one detective team for a reeanctement of the west hollywood shootout? there would've been military vehicles clearing the highway a half hour after all that shooting and explosives between the decoy bank and the treasury building and then the highway traffic finale.
overall it was okay but not memorable and not close to the gravitas or action sequences of heat. |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:36 AM Author: Exhilarant station 1) Merriman told him to
2) they stayed in the parking garage other than ice cube going in as cover; I run and workout near my fed reserve bank so I think they hyped the security; they also planned to get made
3) yeah, L.A. was a little sparse on cops, but worth it for the action
What's a better Heist movie since Heat? |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:41 AM Author: Bearded emerald menage mexican Snatch
The Way of the Gun |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:44 AM Author: Exhilarant station Good entries, The Way of the Gun is one of my all time favorites.
Still way more metaphorical than Heat with "Parker" and "Longbough" |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:48 AM Author: Bearded emerald menage mexican i loved way of the gun but i can't rewatch it. too many slow scenes with juliette lewis. the introduction with sara silverman and the last 15 min are the greatest parts of the movie and make it a true classic of early 2000's. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4558707&forum_id=2Elisa#40402576) |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:55 AM Author: Dashing Hateful Sweet Tailpipe Brethren It's also a great movie for reigniting James Caan's career as an older tough guy. I'm also 100% it paved the way for his tv show about running security for Wynn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4558707&forum_id=2Elisa#40402594) |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:57 AM Author: Bearded emerald menage mexican yeah his roll as the bagman was perfect. in reality he would've killed him after the bar meeting. those meetings always have double crosses in real life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4558707&forum_id=2Elisa#40402598) |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 8:03 AM Author: Exhilarant station Longbaugh : I've... never killed a man.
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:26 AM Author: Dashing Hateful Sweet Tailpipe Brethren Here are some other "best heist movie" since Heat: -Inception -The Italian Job -Triple 9 -Out of Sight -3 Kings -Ocean's Eleven -Contraband -Brooklyn's Finest |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:29 AM Author: Bearded emerald menage mexican inception was a "dream/metaphysical travel" movie that happened to have a heist theme. i don't like its inclusion here.
triple 9 was very underrated. ocean's 11 was more of a cat burglary type movie than a heist per se. them dressing like cops to take the money was the closest they got to a shootout. |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:34 AM Author: Dashing Hateful Sweet Tailpipe Brethren Most Hollywood screenwriters agree there are only 9-10 different types of movie plots. Inception inarguably goes in the "heist movie" bucket. Inside Man is another good one I left off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4558707&forum_id=2Elisa#40402547) |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:37 AM Author: Bearded emerald menage mexican is "impossible love story" an archetype? eternal sunshine for example. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4558707&forum_id=2Elisa#40402553) |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:43 AM Author: Dashing Hateful Sweet Tailpipe Brethren Eternal Sunshine is considered in the "out of the bottle" archetype:
The 3 elements of Out Of The Bottle are: 1) A wish asked for by the hero or another, and the clearly seen need to be delivered from the ordinary. 2) A spell, which we must make logical by upholding “The Rules.” 3) A lesson: Be careful what you wish for! It’s the running theme in all OOTB’s. Life is good as it is.
You are thinking of the "Buddy Love" genre which Eternal Sunshine has elements of and is (perhaps intentionally) disguised as:
The 3 elements of a Buddy Love are: 1) An incomplete hero who is missing something physical, ethical, or spiritual; (s)he needs another to be whole. 2) A counterpart who makes that completion come about or has qualities the hero needs. 3) A complication, be it a misunderstanding, personal or ethical viewpoint, epic historical event, or the prudish disapproval of society.
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:50 AM Author: Bearded emerald menage mexican wow who came up with these bullshit categories? i should have majored in film in college. who the fuck majors in math? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4558707&forum_id=2Elisa#40402581) |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:56 AM Author: Dashing Hateful Sweet Tailpipe Brethren This is basically the Hollywood Bible. Everyone follows this to a tee except for Tarantino
https://www.flyingwrestler.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/SAVE-THE-CAT-genre-breakdown-with-Erik-Bork-additions-1-20-18.pdf |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:39 AM Author: Exhilarant station Inside Man is a good one, it's better than Den of Thieves
But mostly for the puzzle and dialogue. |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:37 AM Author: Dashing Hateful Sweet Tailpipe Brethren A lot of capeshit movies are also dressed up heist movies, like the revamped X-men movies with all the British actors. That magician movie with Mark Ruffalo and Morgan Freeman is also a heist movie. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4558707&forum_id=2Elisa#40402552) |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:38 AM Author: Bearded emerald menage mexican i agree Now You See Me is heist movie. it was literally 3 separate heists within an overarching revenge heist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4558707&forum_id=2Elisa#40402557) |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:37 AM Author: Exhilarant station Three Kings is a great movie, wouldn't really call it a heist movie, lol at most of the rest (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4558707&forum_id=2Elisa#40402555) |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:39 AM Author: Bearded emerald menage mexican it's a "mideast military" movie that happens to involve thievery. otherwise full metal jacket is a heist movie where they stole some of the chinks' property during a village siege. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4558707&forum_id=2Elisa#40402558) |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:39 AM Author: Dashing Hateful Sweet Tailpipe Brethren Rogue One is a heist movie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4558707&forum_id=2Elisa#40402559) |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:41 AM Author: Exhilarant station that's a mcguffin, not a heist it's also a piece of shit movie |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:44 AM Author: Dashing Hateful Sweet Tailpipe Brethren The original Star Wars (ep 4) is considered one of the great Heist movies of all time. Indeed, Heat was undoubtedly influence by A New Hope (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4558707&forum_id=2Elisa#40402572) |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:54 AM Author: Silver Fear-inspiring Space It’s literally Heat but produced on a Monster Ultra White (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4558707&forum_id=2Elisa#40402592) |
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Date: June 12th, 2020 7:57 AM Author: Exhilarant station Yeah, but not seeing that as a bug. Have you tried watching Heat with a young person? It's soooooo boring! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4558707&forum_id=2Elisa#40402601) |
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Date: December 27th, 2024 7:20 PM Author: Epistemic Humility re: Existence of Santa Claus New observation. The complete shit show that is the first heist at the donut shop raises the stakes enormously. These guys are completely capable of fucking up and there's no expectation that any of the rest of the movie will go smoothly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4558707&forum_id=2Elisa#48493734) |
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Date: December 27th, 2024 7:26 PM Author: Epistemic Humility re: Existence of Santa Claus Nick is an underrated character (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4558707&forum_id=2Elisa#48493749) |