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Rate the job prospects of a graduate with a 3.3 GPA JD from Univ of Akron
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Date: December 9th, 2025 2:50 PM Author: slate institution therapy know someone in this position (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49496975) |
Date: December 9th, 2025 2:55 PM Author: Sooty Sanctuary Turdskin Sky's the limit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49497001) |
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Date: December 12th, 2025 10:34 PM Author: Hairraiser Zippy Abode Sky is the limit and you know that you keep on Just keep on pressin' on (gotta keep pressin' on) Sky is the limit and you know that you can (Gotta keep movin', gotta keep pressin' on) Have what you want, be what you want |
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Date: December 15th, 2025 9:03 AM Author: Bonkers awkward internal respiration hunting ground maybe not sky, but he will get in everywhere (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49510706) |
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Date: December 9th, 2025 2:59 PM Author: Titillating bespoke dopamine ticket booth Attorney-General of the United States (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49497013) |
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Date: December 10th, 2025 10:37 PM Author: arousing hospital foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49501079) |
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Date: December 11th, 2025 10:22 AM Author: Odious filthy den mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49501589) |
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Date: December 9th, 2025 3:00 PM Author: slate institution therapy serious answers or actually good jokes please (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49497022) |
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Date: December 10th, 2025 10:16 PM Author: slate institution therapy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49501034) |
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Date: December 10th, 2025 10:21 PM Author: Demanding hominid can get a job at a small firm in Akron, Cleveland, Toledo or Columbus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49501040) |
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Date: December 10th, 2025 10:28 PM Author: orange liquid oxygen Paying $55k, but yes. He won’t starve, but his life will likely be measurably worse than had he skipped law school and been 3 years ahead in his prior career. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49501058) |
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Date: December 10th, 2025 10:30 PM Author: irradiated greedy senate macaca yeah after applying for two years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49501061) |
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Date: December 10th, 2025 10:33 PM Author: Cyan big regret One huge issue is that most shitlaw bosses are woefully ill equipped to hire, manage or pay an associate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49501074) |
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Date: December 10th, 2025 10:38 PM Author: irradiated greedy senate macaca theyre are like 15 shitlaw associate jobs in a place like toledo or akron. and 200kmillion jds minted every year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49501084) |
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Date: December 11th, 2025 10:10 AM Author: aquamarine metal corner mood that’s what makes it so prestigious. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49501571) |
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Date: December 12th, 2025 10:39 PM Author: Hairraiser Zippy Abode Crushing it in Cleveland or Columbus BIGLAW is pretty 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49506103) |
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Date: December 13th, 2025 8:21 AM Author: Cyan big regret How much do those people make? Not XO Biglaw but regional Biglaw? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49506414) |
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Date: December 13th, 2025 8:35 AM Author: arousing hospital foreskin i was a partner at baker hostetler (dc office). the firm overall is ttt in that they pay market only for first years and only in major markets.
so a first year in dc, ny or la is making $225k and a fourth year probably makes $294k or some random number that is substantially below market.
IIRC first years in clv made way less. when first years were at 190, i think first years in ohio were in the 160 range, maybe closer to 150.
JONES DAY is the #1 firm obviously, with BH #2. i don't think JD pays lockstep, but i've heard their pay is better.
another data point - as a labor atty i worked with the erisa guys regularly. one of the doods in cleveland told me that they lost a really good erisa associate (6-7th year) who DOUBLED her salary going to another biglaw firm. so it's possible that even if a first year makes 180 or 190 in cleveland, they have senior associates barely making 300. |
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Date: December 14th, 2025 10:22 PM Author: Hairraiser Zippy Abode Do you know how far $150-160 goes in Cleveland?
If you're single, you're definitely crushing that Univ of Akron and/or Youngstown Puss with no competition |
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Date: December 14th, 2025 10:23 PM Author: Hairraiser Zippy Abode Why the fuck would anybody want to be in Toledo?
I say that as someone who actually grew up in Toledo. |
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Date: December 10th, 2025 10:23 PM Author: out-of-control university roast beef college doesn't matter anymore lol
it's not going to help or hurt him getting a job. the jobs you get after college now have pretty much nothing to do with what you "studied" and got your "degree" in in college |
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Date: December 10th, 2025 10:25 PM Author: Cyan big regret I hire people like this for my shitlaw firm. I start them out at about 85k a year with limited benefits.
Some of the stories that I hear from these people about previous employers are crazy. I appear to pay way above market for shitlaw associates. Standard comp seems to be mid five figures. However, that number is really more revenue than profit since it typically covers *everything* including CLE's, bar dues, computer, travel, etc. The least that I have encountered was a chick from a shitlaw firm that was dying, who was making 45k. |
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Date: December 10th, 2025 10:27 PM Author: orange liquid oxygen I was going to say - these people generally make more like $50-55k starting out. There are effectively unlimited numbers of them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49501053) |
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Date: December 10th, 2025 10:32 PM Author: Cyan big regret I try to hire the cream of the crap. People who aren't going anywhere near Biglaw but are basically competent and will appreciate the opportunity that I have to offer. Overall, it has worked out well, although that can always change. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49501066) |
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Date: December 11th, 2025 1:28 PM Author: slate institution therapy what constitutes 'cream of the crap'? would say a 3.3 from Akron meet the standard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49502205) |
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Date: December 11th, 2025 9:58 PM Author: Cyan big regret In my state, there is a panoply of TTT law schools. But they are not all the same. One takes kids who can't crack 160 on that LSAT but puts them through a rigorous program and actually has a high bar passage rate. Those kids make awesome shitlawyers. They do a lot of clinics and trial prep classes so I can throw them into working their own cases pretty much right off the bat. It's awesome. Hired on a Monday, making money for me on a Tuesday. They're also really humble and glad to have a job because our state's Biglaw such as it is hires from prestigious schools and looks at graduates of their school like filthy animals. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49503460) |
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Date: December 11th, 2025 10:09 PM Author: Bateful pistol piazza Is this Case Western Reserve? They train Reserve attorneys imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49503494) |
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Date: December 12th, 2025 1:32 AM Author: irradiated greedy senate macaca only on west coast cases iirc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49503757) |
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Date: December 12th, 2025 8:36 PM Author: arousing hospital foreskin i was once in a deposition against an employment shitlaw solo and she was questioning a witness and she used the word "pan-opoly" and the witness asked what that word meant, and the lawyer said she didn;t know. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49505865) |
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Date: December 12th, 2025 9:27 PM Author: slate institution therapy what fine institution was she a graduate of (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49505996) |
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Date: December 15th, 2025 7:20 AM Author: arousing hospital foreskin https://www.thatcherlaw.com/attorney/thatcher-linda-hitt/#
St. Mary’s University School of Law, San Antonio, Texas (Honors: Law Review – St. Mary’s Law Journal, Associate Editor)
Longwood College, Farmville, Virginia |
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Date: December 15th, 2025 7:24 AM Author: arousing hospital foreskin side note on her, at the time i worked for this 5'6" fat jewish man who was almost 70 and was a closet case. he hit on me constantly, i've poasted about that before.
anyway, he is abrasive as shit and fights with everyone around him (except me, ljl) so he and this lady hated each other.
i actually poasted about this in the last week or so, but in one of those depositions i referred to above, thatcher had this lady on the witness stand and they started giggling about how "handsome" i was. thatcher may have smoked out that this guy was a closet fag or something and was trying to get under his skin. he got so pissed at her basically openly flirting with me.
she then started offering me a job when we were on breaks in the depo (i lived right by her office, but the solo's office was in baltimore, which was a 45 min drive from my house). he completely hit the roof, it was lol. |
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Date: December 15th, 2025 9:02 AM Author: heady naked deer antler (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49510704) |
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Date: December 15th, 2025 7:07 PM Author: arousing hospital foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49512243) |
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Date: December 11th, 2025 10:23 AM Author: Odious filthy den mad cow disease Dying literally? Or inside like the rest of us? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49501592) |
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Date: December 11th, 2025 10:02 PM Author: Cyan big regret Her firm was dying. She was young and attractive. But unshakably committed to living in her small town where she grew up, so she didn't have many options. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49503474) |
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Date: December 12th, 2025 2:01 AM Author: Dashing dark base xo small town girl tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49503773) |
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Date: December 10th, 2025 10:47 PM Author: Razzmatazz sinister parlour place of business Clerk at local county court, then work in small firm for a couple years to learn the ropes, then hang a shingle. That's a decent enough GPA from a decent enough law school that he could definitely make it.
State government sinecure.
Regional law firm or regional law firm to regional in house.
The path isn't as clear as T6 ls->v25 firm, but there are plenty of decent options and outcomes for someone who works hard and takes advantage of opportunities. In a lot of ways, the paths are better than a V25 associate striving for a few years before getting up or outed. The Akron grad will probably have a lake house in 10 years while the t6 grad will be wondering if he can afford kids. |
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Date: December 11th, 2025 1:27 PM Author: slate institution therapy how long does it take for him to get the lake house? How much do these guys usually make hanging a shingle and how long does it take for them to plateau, generally speaking (not CSLG level results) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49502202) |
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Date: December 11th, 2025 10:06 PM Author: Cyan big regret There is a huge range of outcomes. Some of these guys, usually chill fratty bros with a little business sense, can do stuff like that within a few years of starting practice. Others are organization men by temperament and would be suited to working in Biglaw, if only they were smarter. They really struggle since the institutions that they join tend to be shittier in many different ways. They never make it to the lake house, or anywhere close. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49503482) |
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Date: December 13th, 2025 9:36 AM Author: Razzmatazz sinister parlour place of business CR. I doubt there would be any difference between a 3.3 Akron grad and a 3.7 gpa OSU grad in terms of who is more likely to make it as a solo. Either one has the baseline intellect, beyond which more raw brainpower doesn't really help. So it'll come down to hustle, work ethic, building connections, charisma. The only difference is that OSU grad can work at Jones Day Cleveland for a few years if he's inclined. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49506468) |
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Date: December 15th, 2025 7:56 AM Author: Cyan big regret I'm guessing Jones Day Cleveland does not hire just any tOSU grad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49510644) |
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Date: December 15th, 2025 8:40 AM Author: arousing hospital foreskin tOSU guy in the top 30% or whatever might land a spot at JD. my wife is from cleveland and it's a fairly provincial city with lots of local pride. i could see someone slipping in there, where the NY, DC, LA offices wouldn't even look at the guy.
at baker H, i knew a guy who'd been hired as a doc review attorney (on the bernie madoff litigation) who somehow convinced the firm he had a few brain cells and they took him on as a partner-track associate. i'm guessing his pedigree was SPS, but he was from cleveland (later moved to columbus). fwiw, he is pretty good. |
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Date: December 11th, 2025 10:03 AM Author: Mind-boggling lettuce a ton of these guys end up working (directly or indirectly) for the government. Sometimes some general state law bureaucrat job. prosbro or PD. or, closely related running a shoestring private practice and taking indigent runover cases. city attorney's office or mayoral advisor. part-time traffic court judge in some podunk town. ALJ for civil service claims. an unending panoply of opportunity :) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49501559) |
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Date: December 11th, 2025 10:26 AM Author: Bateful pistol piazza Why not just go solo and use AI to fill gaps? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49501596) |
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Date: December 11th, 2025 10:11 PM Author: Cyan big regret OP, there are guys like this who just innately get it and take to shitlaw like a duck to water. They can easily make several hundred k a year, and do. There are guys who hate it and commit suicide. It is highly dependent on the person. Average after a decade or two is probably high five/low six figures but that doesn't really mean anything, like saying the average score of two teams in a football game. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49503500) |
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Date: December 12th, 2025 1:55 AM Author: Vengeful insane plaza trump supporter Race? Height? Phenotype? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49503770) |
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Date: December 14th, 2025 8:07 PM Author: slate institution therapy white nerd, 5'9", loser
only good thing is that he enlisted for 4 years before UG so he went to Akron/UG for free |
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Date: December 15th, 2025 9:45 AM Author: Bateful pistol piazza How is he a Nerd? Is he an Engineer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49510786) |
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Date: December 13th, 2025 9:08 AM Author: cerebral depressive Doesn’t everyone make $$$ if they just keep at it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5808398&forum_id=2Elisa#49506447) |