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weird how 20th c 'futurists' missed reality: west as white genocide police state
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Date: November 29th, 2022 1:42 PM Author: wild umber skinny woman reading retardo 20th C 'futurist' literature, it's just the dumbest, utter goofball shit, lol. embarrassing that nobody could extrapolate from contemporary experience in EU (bolshevism, weimar) and from past events (109 countries) what was actually bound to happen (was already happening).
instead, it was all, like, 'Max Headroom will be POTUS!' |
Date: November 29th, 2022 1:44 PM Author: cocky dun trust fund casino orwell's predictions weren't bad, but he was a globohomo shitlib whose warnings in the book were essentially satanic revelation of the method
i tried reading brave new world and it was one of the most poorly written things ive ever tried reading |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 1:45 PM Author: blue market orwell was actually a total midwit (and a shitlib, like you point out)
he was a shitty writer and if you read his "thoughts" on the world outside of his books, they are embarrassingly stupid |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 1:47 PM Author: cocky dun trust fund casino i do think 1984 the book was genius. lightning in a bottle?
i have a book of orwell's nonfiction writings and have been dreading reading it for precisely the reasons you point out |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 2:44 PM Author: duck-like onyx death wish Good specific examples - you are obviously an incisive thinker and writer and so we should listen to you over the guy who wrote politics and the English language, 1984 and Animal Farm, which millions of people have read and found interesting and informative. All of these works are devastating to a whole bunch of modern shitlib orthodox thought about the ever-expanding role of the government and using language to manipulate reality and obfuscate your goals and methods. But sure, whatever, grr fuck libs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45559440) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 2:49 PM Author: Laughsome pearly gas station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45559470) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 2:54 PM Author: wild umber skinny woman Orwell was based and was one of very few English writers w/ a fundamentally masculine POV. the whole 'Orwell was a Midwit' meme is completely bizarre and comes out of lefty resentment re: Orwell's later nationalist turn, and his ratting out Jews/fifth columnists to British Intelligence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45559492) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 2:55 PM Author: blue market lol, i don't care at all if you're not familiar with orwell's mega-cringe midwittery. if you're interested, you can read his work for yourself
go back to reddit with this faggoty "Source? Source???" pseudo-intellectual blather |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 3:41 PM Author: Beady-eyed Carnelian Orchestra Pit Liquid Oxygen Face it bro, you got pwned (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45559779) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 9:08 PM Author: duck-like onyx death wish I assert contrarian conclusions with no support! I’m an internet genius and everyone else is mediocre! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45561141) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 9:11 PM Author: violent native hominid 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45561153) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 3:40 PM Author: Beady-eyed Carnelian Orchestra Pit Liquid Oxygen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45559764) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 11:44 AM Author: red misunderstood kitchen mother absurd position, his essays are better than his books
that being said he did have a weekly column so there's a lot of real mediocre installments, but his best are absolute top notch.
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Date: November 29th, 2022 1:57 PM Author: Milky Haunting Dilemma Not a Raspail fan? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45559208) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 2:12 PM Author: wild umber skinny woman didn't Raspail conspicuously fail to mention Jews. but, yeah, he gets credit. a few people understood where things were heading, but really shockingly few. i'm thinking of someone like JG Ballard, who really was smart and perceptive enough to know better, but everything he wrote about 'the future' was preposterous nonsense. |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 2:27 PM Author: Milky Haunting Dilemma JG Ballard was not really trying to predict the future, but rather to write a different kind of literary fiction. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45559351) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 2:36 PM Author: wild umber skinny woman wtf are you talking about. his whole self-announced genre was 'speculative fiction' about the future. he also talked repeatedly in interviews and essays about his vision of 'the future', and it was every bit as retarded as that described in his novels. you should try to have some idea of what you are talking about before trying to 'correct' people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45559389) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 2:38 PM Author: Milky Haunting Dilemma Sci-fi in general purports to be about the future, but seldom actually is. Do you really think his short story about crystal beings, or the one about never needing sleep, etc., was a straight attempt at attempting to accurately predict the future and not a literary work?
You should be less sensitive to perceived criticisms. |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 3:37 PM Author: Appetizing jet-lagged property pozpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45559736) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 3:47 PM Author: blue market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45559820) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 6:23 AM Author: wild umber skinny woman of course it's 'literature.' so was Raspail, whom you just brought up. so what? someone doesn't need to issue Nostradamus-like prophecies, complete w/ names and calendar dates, in order to be regarded as 'predictive'.
JG Ballard's fifty years' explicit commentary on 'the future' -- in fiction, essays, interviews, film -- was not some kind of meta-literary hoax in which he was AKSHULLY subverting the idea that the future could be predicted in any way, as an esoteric literary aesthetic, or whatever. that's ridiculous. his ideas/themes were broadly predictive, and he said so repeatedly. |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 9:04 AM Author: gay motley deer antler I agree with your overall point ITT but you’re barking up the wrong tree w/r/t Ballard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45562799) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 10:09 AM Author: Milky Haunting Dilemma That you have no answer to my specific question about two JG Ballard short stories (I could name many others) is telling. You also tilt hyperbolically at an inchoate strawman (that JG Ballard was somehow engaging in some hoax where he purported to be foretelling the future when he was plainly writing literary fiction), unsurprisingly missing the mark.
I am sympathetic to your general thesis, but your autistic insistence that anything labeled "scifi" must therefore function as a straight prediction of the future is laughable and makes you look like a buffoon. |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 2:13 PM Author: Misanthropic telephone stage if you can keep it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45559272) |
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Date: January 28th, 2026 5:36 PM Author: Matthias of Redwall Did Nothing Wrong #Cornflower (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#49627705) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 2:34 PM Author: Thriller Unholy Piazza i don't think futurists saw anything as insane and stupid as modern anti-whiteness simply because it would have been so dumb. most futurism tried to attribute powers of basic reasoning to the rulers of the future. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45559381) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 2:36 PM Author: cocky dun trust fund casino no one would have believed child genital mutilation as enforced public policy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45559391) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 2:39 PM Author: wild umber skinny woman but why would they have been foolish enough to do that, given that they had 5,000 years worth of reference material which argued against it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45559411) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 2:43 PM Author: Brilliant shrine William Gibson and cyberpunk in general was pretty accurate.
Gene Roddenberry saw a world where the races are integrated and countries are disbanded under the Federation of planets. Maybe that’s where we’re headed. There’s nothing to do anymore except try to build starships afaict. |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 2:53 PM Author: blue market the real answer to the OP is that none of these guys were actually very intelligent or insightful, just like pretty much everybody in the world, outside of a tiny % of outliers
there's a generation of people (boomers) who have lived through this entire saga and have experienced it directly with their own senses and experience, and the vast majority of these people *still* don't get it. these are people who were born into 95% white america in the 1950s and who have lived through it all: 95% white, christian utopia, the blatant attack on and undermining of this society in the 70s, forced integration and the civil rights act, the hart-cellar act of 1965 and decades of brown foreign invasion, jewish neocons orchestrating middle east war after middle east war for israel, countless acts of collective black hatred of whites like the OJ simpson trial, rodney king, and BLM, and then the recent post-obama years of outright deranged shitlibbery like gay marriage, CRT, BLM, and brazen anti-trump corruption
even though these people have all lived through this entire saga and directly experienced it, if you put a gun to the average boomer's head and told them to extrapolate the future, these people would STILL be COMPLETELY CLUELESS about it. they would give you some kind of utterly asinine incoherent nonsense like, "common-sense centrism will win out in the end"
people are just hopelessly dumb. it's not just "authors" who are inexplicably clueless about their own field. the average professional "economist" or "doctor" wouldn't be able to give you a halfway sensible prediction of what the economy or medicine will look like 10 years from now |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 9:10 PM Author: Galvanic Insecure Hall woah, cr, friend (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45561152) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 10:33 PM Author: Marvelous gaped location sex offender This is sadly and utterly credited (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45561540) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 9:37 AM Author: Electric Mildly Autistic Filthpig Pit "the real answer to the OP is that none of these guys were actually very intelligent or insightful, just like pretty much everybody in the world, outside of a tiny % of outliers"
Let me guess, you're one of the outliers. |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 2:54 PM Author: gold unhinged cuck brunch I think Huxley nailed it:
The constitutions will not be abrogated and the good laws will remain on the statute book; but these liberal forms will merely serve to mask and adorn a profoundly illiberal substance. ...We may expect to see in the democratic countries a reversal of the process which transformed England into a democracy, while retaining all the outward forms of a monarchy. ...By means of ever more effective methods of mind-manipulation, the democracies will change their nature; the quaint old forms — elections, parliaments, Supreme Courts and all the rest — will remain. The underlying substance will be a new kind of non-violent totalitarianism. All the traditional names, all the hallowed slogans will remain exactly what they were in the good old days. Democracy and freedom will be the theme of every broadcast and editorial — but democracy and freedom in a strictly Pickwickian sense. Meanwhile the ruling oligarchy and its highly trained elite of soldiers, policemen, thought-manufacturers and mind-manipulators will quietly run the show as they see fit.
-- Brave New World Revisited, 1958 |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 2:56 PM Author: Brilliant shrine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45559507) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 3:48 PM Author: Milky Haunting Dilemma To be fair, he cheated by being a member of the proto-NWO and simply reporting on their activities. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45559826) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 4:30 PM Author: gold unhinged cuck brunch (unhinged schizoid tinfoil nutter) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45560044) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 7:11 PM Author: Milky Haunting Dilemma WALLACE: And well, what…what do you mean? We developed our television but we don't know how to use it correctly, is that the point that you're making?
HUXLEY: Well, at the present the television, I think, is being used quite harmlessly; it's being used, I think, I would feel, it's being used too much to distract everybody all the time. But, I mean, imagine which must be the situation in all communist countries where the television, where it exists, is always saying the same things the whole time; it's always driving along. It's not creating a wide front of distraction. It's creating a one-pointed, …drumming in of a single idea, all the time. It's obviously an immensely powerful instrument.
WALLACE: Uh-huh. So you're talking about the potential misuse of the instrument.
HUXLEY: Exactly. We have, of course…all technology is in itself moral and neutral. These are just powers which can either be used well or ill; it is the same thing with atomic energy, we can either use it to blow ourselves up or we can use it as a substitute for the coal and the oil which are running out. |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 9:36 PM Author: gold unhinged cuck brunch So glad we don’t have uniform social-political messaging today! Really dodged a bullet (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45561262) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 9:44 PM Author: Milky Haunting Dilemma 😅 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45561291) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 10:35 PM Author: Marvelous gaped location sex offender Right, Huxley is the real Orwell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45561549) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 8:49 AM Author: snowy candlestick maker address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45562764) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 2:54 PM Author: floppy abusive spot As someone above alluded to, never before in history has a political ideology been founded on self-hate and elevation of outsiders. It goes against all biological imperatives and self-interest.
Although more recent, The Camp of the Saints was somewhat prescient |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 3:07 PM Author: Milky Haunting Dilemma HG Wells's THE TIME MACHINE is pretty prescient, too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45559569) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 3:09 PM Author: blue market this is the all-time GOAT of the genre
the eloi alone is the most absolutely devastating "sci-fi" trope ever created |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 3:10 PM Author: Milky Haunting Dilemma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45559599) |
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Date: November 29th, 2022 9:09 PM Author: Galvanic Insecure Hall I don't think (((publishers))) would have printed a book about the real problems we would face. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45561146) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 1:09 AM Author: painfully honest canary preventive strike sandwich (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5243992&forum_id=2Elisa#45562245) |
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Date: November 30th, 2022 8:46 AM Author: Milky Haunting Dilemma Lothrop Stoddard Spengler (Decline & Fall of the West) Madison Grant Henry Fairfield Osborn |