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Rate my PC build for large model local LLM

AMD Ryzen 9 9950X GPU1: RTX 4090 GPU2: RTX A6000 128gb RA...
Tantric wine preventive strike headpube
  12/11/24
why not two 4090
Frum legal warrant chapel
  12/11/24
My combo is more optimal for dual GPU since you can't onboar...
Tantric wine preventive strike headpube
  12/11/24
the CPU absolutely does nothing for LLM?
Frum legal warrant chapel
  12/11/24
CPU matters. That's why I got the best one
Tantric wine preventive strike headpube
  12/11/24
There's something called CPU offloading where some processin...
Bipolar dark pervert ape
  12/11/24
Do you think Apple's future M4 max/ultra cpu will be better ...
Tantric wine preventive strike headpube
  12/11/24
no
Bipolar dark pervert ape
  12/11/24
M1 Ultra is still plenty
https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK
  01/08/25
i have similar but just for poasting
turquoise internal respiration selfie
  12/11/24
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Tantric wine preventive strike headpube
  12/11/24
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infuriating jet brethren
  12/11/24
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Harsh flesh gas station
  12/11/24
Where are you finding 4090s for sale that aren't jacked up 2...
Dashing charcoal address black woman
  12/11/24
I got it months ago and just putting together now. Are pr...
Tantric wine preventive strike headpube
  12/11/24
For work?
odious abnormal national
  12/11/24
Yep
Tantric wine preventive strike headpube
  12/11/24
Is setting up a local LLM pretty easy? Does it need coding s...
Rose center
  12/11/24
really easy with ollama, https://ollama.com/
odious abnormal national
  12/11/24
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infuriating jet brethren
  12/11/24
whats the benefit of running these locally vs just subscribi...
vibrant cordovan university kitty
  12/11/24
the ones running locally are not as powerful and don't accep...
odious abnormal national
  12/11/24
does the hardware above make it practical to train your own?...
vibrant cordovan university kitty
  12/11/24
1) Yes the above hardware can easily handle large models and...
Tantric wine preventive strike headpube
  12/11/24
0 chance you will be able to train your own LLM, these compa...
odious abnormal national
  12/11/24
You don’t need this much power just to take notes/exam...
Cobalt office juggernaut
  12/11/24
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Tantric wine preventive strike headpube
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Harsh flesh gas station
  12/11/24
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Adventurous yapping patrolman generalized bond
  12/11/24
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Harsh flesh gas station
  12/12/24
how much did it all come to? will a local llm be capable of ...
Idiotic meetinghouse
  12/11/24
Under $5k but I didn't buy a6000 card yet Those fuckers a...
Tantric wine preventive strike headpube
  12/11/24
how many watts does the PSU have?
Red razzle-dazzle school cafeteria
  12/11/24
170 Edit: this is the CPU watts
Tantric wine preventive strike headpube
  12/11/24
that's a bit low, I don't think u actually have built a comp...
Red razzle-dazzle school cafeteria
  12/11/24
Dark Side of the Moon 1350W PSU, Advanced Liquid Cooled CPU ...
Tantric wine preventive strike headpube
  12/11/24
You are using an OEM Alienware part for you PSU? How does t...
Red razzle-dazzle school cafeteria
  12/12/24
OP is growing a beard and changing monikres as we speak
racy azure theatre roommate
  12/12/24
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Tantric wine preventive strike headpube
  12/12/24
I really want to put together my own local LLM setup too. Ta...
chartreuse macaca trailer park
  12/11/24
We should start a discord or something
Tantric wine preventive strike headpube
  12/11/24
I'm down, I'm still a total noob at this I haven't even star...
chartreuse macaca trailer park
  12/11/24
If you have an M2 or later MacBook/mini you can install olla...
Tantric wine preventive strike headpube
  12/11/24
can u show us what u can do with ur setup
Frum legal warrant chapel
  12/11/24
What will you use it for? How is it better than just getting...
Fishy curious dingle berry
  12/12/24
Re 1st question: scaling and streamlining CRM and customer s...
Tantric wine preventive strike headpube
  12/12/24
link to wat u can get from ur setup
Frum legal warrant chapel
  12/12/24
automating as much of the client lifecycle as possible t...
racy azure theatre roommate
  12/12/24
Bump for 5090, how many are you getting OP?
pitbulls eating your face in hell forever tp
  01/08/25
Isn't it just easier to buy a Mac Studio or whatever it's ca...
imagine if the races were reversed
  01/08/25


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Date: December 11th, 2024 1:25 AM
Author: Tantric wine preventive strike headpube

AMD Ryzen 9 9950X

GPU1: RTX 4090

GPU2: RTX A6000

128gb RAM

8TB NVMe 4.0

Windows 11 Pro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48435761)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 2:03 AM
Author: Frum legal warrant chapel

why not two 4090

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48435788)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 2:12 AM
Author: Tantric wine preventive strike headpube

My combo is more optimal for dual GPU since you can't onboard dual 4090s on 1 motherboard and eGPU throttles 50-70% of 4090 performance due to inherent bandwidth limitations with thunderbolt connection vs A6000 is optimized for low bandwidth and has 48gb VRAM (vs 24gb for 4090) to handle massive data sets



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48435793)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 3:34 AM
Author: Frum legal warrant chapel

the CPU absolutely does nothing for LLM?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48435877)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 5:14 AM
Author: Tantric wine preventive strike headpube

CPU matters. That's why I got the best one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48435907)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 8:22 AM
Author: Bipolar dark pervert ape

There's something called CPU offloading where some processing is handled by the CPU. But the kind of operations used in LLMs is different than the kind of operations at which CPUs excel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48436129)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 1:36 PM
Author: Tantric wine preventive strike headpube

Do you think Apple's future M4 max/ultra cpu will be better at LLM?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48437276)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 2:57 PM
Author: Bipolar dark pervert ape

no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48437673)



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Date: January 8th, 2025 9:20 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK


M1 Ultra is still plenty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48533861)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 1:34 AM
Author: turquoise internal respiration selfie

i have similar but just for poasting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48435773)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 2:14 AM
Author: Tantric wine preventive strike headpube



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48435795)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 3:05 PM
Author: infuriating jet brethren



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48437693)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 9:07 PM
Author: Harsh flesh gas station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48438902)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 11:24 AM
Author: Dashing charcoal address black woman

Where are you finding 4090s for sale that aren't jacked up 2x MSRP by scalpers?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48436665)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 1:33 PM
Author: Tantric wine preventive strike headpube

I got it months ago and just putting together now.

Are prices on 4090 still that bad? I thought 5090 and 5080 were about to drop any day now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48437259)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 1:34 PM
Author: odious abnormal national

For work?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48437264)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 8:56 PM
Author: Tantric wine preventive strike headpube

Yep

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48438874)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 1:35 PM
Author: Rose center

Is setting up a local LLM pretty easy? Does it need coding savvy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48437271)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 1:36 PM
Author: odious abnormal national

really easy with ollama, https://ollama.com/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48437274)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 1:38 PM
Author: infuriating jet brethren



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48437286)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 3:40 PM
Author: vibrant cordovan university kitty

whats the benefit of running these locally vs just subscribing to claude or whatever



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48437815)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 3:45 PM
Author: odious abnormal national

the ones running locally are not as powerful and don't accept really long context windows. the main benefit is no limits to the number of requests and you can find uncensored models.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48437832)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 3:55 PM
Author: vibrant cordovan university kitty

does the hardware above make it practical to train your own? could you train on just on a giant dump of legal cases and get one superior at legal research at the expense of everything else, or is that even available better commercially at this point?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48437869)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 4:38 PM
Author: Tantric wine preventive strike headpube

1) Yes the above hardware can easily handle large models and is possibly even overkill for CRM, basic legal queries / prompts about client's file, and drafting complex legal briefs

2) Local llm with win10 Pro (eg, ollama, GPT4All, chat rtx) is the ONLY option for attorneys to do this offline given client data sensitivity

3) if you spent $10k on a fully spec'd out Mac Pro/Studio with 192gb unified ram it would not come close to this setup for local LLM in terms of speed and ability to handle large data and complex writing tasks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48438017)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 5:23 PM
Author: odious abnormal national

0 chance you will be able to train your own LLM, these companies spend tens of millions $$$ on gpu hardware to train an LLM.

The best you can do locally is "retrieval augmented generation" that is specific to legal cases/research.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48438197)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 1:37 PM
Author: Cobalt office juggernaut

You don’t need this much power just to take notes/exams at NYU Law tax classes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48437283)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 8:48 PM
Author: Tantric wine preventive strike headpube

163

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48438847)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 10:29 PM
Author: Harsh flesh gas station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48439148)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 10:32 PM
Author: Adventurous yapping patrolman generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48439153)



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Date: December 12th, 2024 12:12 PM
Author: Harsh flesh gas station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48440746)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 4:41 PM
Author: Idiotic meetinghouse

how much did it all come to? will a local llm be capable of translating from exotic languages?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48438026)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 8:52 PM
Author: Tantric wine preventive strike headpube

Under $5k but I didn't buy a6000 card yet

Those fuckers are expensive!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48438854)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 5:25 PM
Author: Red razzle-dazzle school cafeteria

how many watts does the PSU have?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48438199)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 8:50 PM
Author: Tantric wine preventive strike headpube

170

Edit: this is the CPU watts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48438849)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 9:06 PM
Author: Red razzle-dazzle school cafeteria

that's a bit low, I don't think u actually have built a computer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48438901)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 9:15 PM
Author: Tantric wine preventive strike headpube

Dark Side of the Moon 1350W PSU, Advanced Liquid Cooled CPU & Clear Side Panel

Item number: 321-BIKW

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48438939)



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Date: December 12th, 2024 8:50 AM
Author: Red razzle-dazzle school cafeteria

You are using an OEM Alienware part for you PSU? How does that make sense?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48440037)



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Date: December 12th, 2024 8:54 AM
Author: racy azure theatre roommate

OP is growing a beard and changing monikres as we speak

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48440043)



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Date: December 12th, 2024 10:17 AM
Author: Tantric wine preventive strike headpube



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48440299)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 8:53 PM
Author: chartreuse macaca trailer park

I really want to put together my own local LLM setup too. Tagging this thread for later. 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48438860)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 8:53 PM
Author: Tantric wine preventive strike headpube

We should start a discord or something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48438863)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 8:59 PM
Author: chartreuse macaca trailer park

I'm down, I'm still a total noob at this I haven't even started to do my own research on what hardware I'll need

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48438883)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 9:01 PM
Author: Tantric wine preventive strike headpube

If you have an M2 or later MacBook/mini you can install ollama or lm studio right now on an external ssd and start fucking around

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48438889)



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Date: December 11th, 2024 10:31 PM
Author: Frum legal warrant chapel

can u show us what u can do with ur setup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48439150)



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Date: December 12th, 2024 10:23 AM
Author: Fishy curious dingle berry

What will you use it for? How is it better than just getting a subscription to Claude/ChatGPT?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48440310)



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Date: December 12th, 2024 10:58 AM
Author: Tantric wine preventive strike headpube

Re 1st question: scaling and streamlining CRM and customer service; reducing bottlenecks, automating as much of the client lifecycle as possible

Re 2nd question: mainly compliance with HIPAA, SCA, ECPA, CPRA etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48440474)



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Date: December 12th, 2024 11:04 AM
Author: Frum legal warrant chapel

link to wat u can get from ur setup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48440496)



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Date: December 12th, 2024 1:06 PM
Author: racy azure theatre roommate

automating as much of the client lifecycle as possible

tptptptp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48441000)



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Date: January 8th, 2025 8:34 PM
Author: pitbulls eating your face in hell forever tp

Bump for 5090, how many are you getting OP?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48533708)



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Date: January 8th, 2025 9:08 PM
Author: imagine if the races were reversed

Isn't it just easier to buy a Mac Studio or whatever it's called? Supposedly it's very good for private LLM stuff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5647806&forum_id=2Elisa#48533823)