this is a great thread. first thing i saw when i logged into xo and immediately watched torn in it's entirety and did a deep dive on recent natalie pics (still holding up in her mid 40s!)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4870573&forum_id=2Elisa#42727923)

She is indeed a major credit to her Shrewish Race. It goes to show that the MILF/Cougar phase can be just as beautiful in its time as the spunky teenage phase, when the right motivation is there (either good upbringing, the presence of a Chad/Chadlite in her life, or both).

And she also has that lovably stuck up - in the manner of Tinkerbell, naturally - personality that comes with a good pedigree like hers: the type that wants nothing more than to surrender to a benevolent patriarchal authority, so that she can let her (justifiably constructed) guard down and let out the inner sex kitten/pixie.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4870573&forum_id=2Elisa#42727954)

Given some of the pictures/texts/anecdotes you've shared of vodka girlfriends et al., I wouldn't be surprised if there's a stuck-up pixie with a heart of gold somewhere out there waiting for you, who would love nothing more than wholesome family life under your benevolent patriarchal leadership.

(And who's LONGING for someone to unlock the inner sex kitten, in the privacy of your and her own home, of course.)

:-)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4870573&forum_id=2Elisa#42728203)

vs.

1994 "Stay" Lisa Loeb - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9HGwRbMiVY

FIGHT!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4870573&forum_id=2Elisa#42767385)

(Also, very strangely, she has an uncanny resemblance to the mother of my first girlfriend in junior high, a white Hispanic born in Spain - girlfriend was half Spanish half Scottish, too cute and wholesome for me in retrospect: I'm gay and retarded in case my poasting didn't make that clear.)

There's something about seeing someone young who we always knew as middle-aged or older that never ceases to be surreal...

I imagine that Heaven is full of those kind of encounters, as in the end of The Tree of Life, seeing people we've known at various ages, when time is no longer our enemy, but rather a useful and illuminating friend - dimensions beyond time which include time, like 3D including 2D. (I got this analogy from Peter Kreeft.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4870573&forum_id=2Elisa#42767424)

Also looking up videos of present-day Lisa Loeb, she's a laidback cougar who seems very comfortable in her own skin, which is always heartwarming to see.

It's always nice when our childhood heroes and crushes age gracefully, both for their sake and for the sake of vindicating our youthful judgment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4870573&forum_id=2Elisa#42767445)

vs.

1996 "Criminal" Fiona Apple - https://youtu.be/FFOzayDpWoI

FIGHT!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4870573&forum_id=2Elisa#42767386)

4 February 1975 (age 46)

Sydney, New South Wales, Australia

Spouse(s) Daniel Johns ​(m. 2003; div. 2008)

On 9 October 2019, Imbruglia announced on Instagram, that she had given birth to a baby boy, and named him Max Valentine Imbruglia. The child was conceived using IVF, and sperm from an unnamed donor.[53]

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4870573&forum_id=2Elisa#42954915)

And man, to look like that, sing like that, and write a transcendent album like Diorama… crazy to take that for granted (and it’s easy to take our blessings for granted when we don’t know the alternative!)

And I knew some Silverchair fans in high school who mocked me for this, but man, I love the song Straight Lines: one of the GOAT songs for a boost of energy during a sluggish morning or workout, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4870573&forum_id=2Elisa#42954933)

to american fans, especially those who listened to the earlier albums, stuff like diorama and young modern is a total mindfuck.

i got passes to 2007 Lollapalooza with silverchair being my #1 reason to go. and i saw them at the house of blues that winter as part of a an annual xmas festival...people were dumbfounded. so many of them hadn't paid attention to the previous decade and thought they were going to walk in an hear an hour and a half of israel's son. ljl.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4870573&forum_id=2Elisa#42954973)

And then there are people like me who, as we’ve discussed, enjoy the (strangely wholesome, eg, Rob MFing Halford tp, may he RIP) camaraderie of the heavy rock music community, but don’t listen to the music much.

My love of Diorama and like for Young Modern despite zero interest in their early music really annoyed some of the early Silverchair fans I knew, lol.

Also, as you’d imagine, a lot of girls in high school who had no interest in Silverchair became fans when Daniel Johns gave up the grunge look and embraced his male model phenotype - which also annoyed some of the original fans, because it seemed to trivialize the band, maybe?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4870573&forum_id=2Elisa#42954989)

I will poast more thoughts later.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4870573&forum_id=2Elisa#42955004)