You don't talk that way about a MADE MAN.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48500964)

what's actually going on is that these people's brains work differently than ours. their 'reward function' is different than ours. it is "making money = good. suffering negative consequences = bad. only way to suffer negative consequences is to break the law and get caught and punished, so just make money within the letter of the law"

ours is something like, "making money = good. feeling like we are contributing to society = good. suffering negative consequences = bad. i need to make money by operating within both the letter and spirit of the law, in a way that i feel is contributing to society"

the discussion in this thread is really disappointingly juvenile and frankly just low IQ and self-absorbed. there's no effort made by anyone other than myself to try to understand these people and why they act the way they do, and what the actual solution to the issues they cause is. it's just "THESE GUYS R BAD BECAUSE THEY AREN'T RESPONDING TO MY OWN REWARD FUNCTION, HOW COULD THIS BE?!?!?" embarrassingly juvenile

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48507275)

are you a lawyer?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48507279)

this is why the actual solution is to remove these people from our society, btw. we can't just Change The Laws to prevent them from gaining power and influence. they will always crowd out the ranks of lawyers and the rich and powerful, because their reward function pushes them toward these outcomes much more than ours. even the white ones. they will always end up making the Laws. we will never win against them in this way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48507292)

The kind of drug IPO he did has the overwhelming chance of failure priced in to the offering price. Investors know that it’s almost certainly going to fail but they gamble on it anyway bc of the potential upside. He also didn’t immediately dump all his shares fwiw

Is this an honorable or admirable way to make money? Not really, it’s pathetic and sad that this is a path to riches in our current society. But he didn’t do anything “morally wrong” other than use a very easy and effective tactic to get rich

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48500983)

if this is /your/ level of moral 'correctness' then its on you. if its 'pathetic' and 'sad' then its also 'wrong'.

there are plenty of reasonable ways to make good money in america.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48501062)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48501154)

The actual corrupt/immoral part of ipos is the fixing of the initial price at an artificially high number, since it’s arbitrary. And this is inherent to all ipos, which in this day and age are quite scammy in this way. Not the information about the company, which is all public knowledge. You just don’t understand how ipos work because you are dumb

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48501177)

Why didn't some Plaintiff firm sue him and get $ back

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48501182)

He didn’t break any rules or laws, neither in spirit nor in fact. This is just how IPOs work. It’s literally gambling, except the house always wins no matter what because they’re offering you an artificially high price even after risk factors and future projections are factored in, so they’re guaranteed to make money for zero risk. Oftentimes they aren’t even risking any assets at all because everything is done with borrowed Monopoly money

It’s perfectly reasonable to have a problem with IPOs, I do too, but you need to at least understand how they work instead of holding the position of “what this guy did is Immoral And Illegal because it elicits vague negative emotions in my brain”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48501201)

Obviously no one actually knows wtf the real chance of success is, it’s just made up, but everyone knows this. If you’re putting your money into this stuff you’re just stupid. Except the people putting money into this stuff are people running funds w other peoples money, so they don’t even care. I mean the whole thing is just a joke of a Jewish circus

There are tons of people making money like this. This is like every Silicon Valley startup too btw except with fart apps instead of drugs. It’s all really gay and dumb and Jewish

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48501232)

so easy that you just choose not to do it and make $100 million

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48501437)

Different people are going to have different answers to this question. You are right that white westerners generally see this kind of thing as vaguely “illegitimate” (distasteful may be a better word) while orientals and Jews have zero problem with it at all

It’s a good example of why multiculturalism doesn’t work, because there’s no way to magically make white people see this kind of thing as desirable, and no way to make non whites see it as undesirable. No amount of clever statecraft or regulation will fix this. The way to actually fix it is to keep political entities mono ethnic or at least completely controlled by one dominant ethnicity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48501302)

The real knock on Vivek is that he’s not like us, because we’re genetically programmed differently than him. None of you guys have the brains or balls to say this, you just babble about how he’s like, scamming us, mannnn. The solution to issues like this is to kick all brown people out of our country. You’re never going to be able to come up with some other Big Brained 13-D chess explanation for how ackshually this one brown person is heckin bad because he’s Being A Brown Person within the confines of our laws

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48501356)

Sorry man, we don’t need some asiatic to sputter at us about how our own biologically programmed value system works. Maybe the people in Shanghai will be more interested in your wares

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48501408)

the actual solution is that everyone goes back -- blacks to africa, whites to europe, and asians back to asia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48501549)

How about you go back to Beijing, Vivek to Bombay, nsam to Tel Aviv, and the white people here will do just fine without you, like we were before you got here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48501617)

anyways go back to china you small dicked loser dweeb

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48501907)

i would tell you that you're late for taking your kid to drag queen story hour, but then i remembered that you're a childless white loser in your 40s who posts on the internet in all his free time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48501927)

even comparing him to figures like musk, who was only an investor in companies like paypal, tesla, etc., or someone like zuck, who really just improved on myspace, he's done way more to advance tech

it just seems to go unsaid because he gets that the whole business guru persona is more relatable to the public than the "tech genius" angle musk, zuck, vivek, and these other guys go for

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48504715)

Not Elon, though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48504427)

To be fair

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48501875)

it's just annoying xo is discussing this now instead of when vivek was hot property among the right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48501876)

https://www.biopharmadive.com/news/roivant-roche-pfizer-tl1a-telavant-acquire-ibd-drug/687882/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48501913)

Meanwhile, Trump is the biggest fraud and u dont care

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48502116)

when you hear someone say that they're a "businessman" in a white-collar field it usually means they just found some loophole to exploit or are sufficiently aware of the legal / fundraising / etc. landscape to see an opportunity and to marshal together the appropriate people and resources. a "drug developer" doesn't call himself "pharma businessman" even if he starts a company.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48502191)

Like they're both clearly brilliant, so its easy to say "Wow its obvious we need immigrants like this in America to spur innovation and create jobs who wouldn't want them!"

But then you realize that Elon revolutionized electric cars, self-driving, space exploration, and other businesses - while Vivek just tricked investors with drugs that he didn't invent and didn't even work.

I'm not sure America is better off with him.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5656727&forum_id=2Elisa#48502833)