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I finished reading the "Feynman Lectures" and wanted to share some thoughts

I have never thought very much about Richard Feynman, but kn...
supple ticket booth telephone
  04/07/25
In a note to the director of the FBI, dated July 29, 1958, S...
Mauve Kitty
  04/08/25
He was a horrible womanizer.
supple ticket booth telephone
  04/08/25
You mean he was unsuccessful at it?
Mauve Kitty
  04/08/25
Can someone be "good" at something bad?
supple ticket booth telephone
  04/08/25
His house burnt down in the Altadena fires.
smoky macaca
  04/08/25
the guy was dashing, but he famously taught himself Spanish ...
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  04/08/25
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Date: April 7th, 2025 9:34 PM
Author: supple ticket booth telephone

I have never thought very much about Richard Feynman, but knew several people who did a lot. He is one of the central figures of the "decoherence" of reality that occurred in the middle of the century in physics and inspired other "constructionist" ideas, and a lot of people who grew up around the turn of the century heard his lectures and read his books if they were at all interested in theoretical science.

If you listen to Feynman's lectures, you can see hints of what would later be discovered to be a pattern or abusive and pathological behavior. I haven't read the FBI investigation files that were recently released about him, but I am sure they are a very weird read. This was a person whose role in society was incredibly important to its future, or its certain demise, but seemed to want to ignore all that and embody sociopathic levels of Peter Pan Syndrome and impulsive morbid curiosity while not only having the nuclear codes, but knowing how to tell anyone how to make some themselves.

I have lately read more of Feynman's ideas about the attitude one should have about science, and I like them, and I've quoted them. He took very literally the idea that if you cannot explain something to a person in the 5th grade, you don't really understand it, and that playing with ideas is more important than being "data-driven". It's a view seemingly very consistent with Daoism.

The discussion of Feynman's personal life and the abusive behavior in it has involved science professionals being banned from various professional institutions because of their ideas about how he behaved, his autobiography, and whether we should still take his advice or show others his lectures.

On that matter I'm very conflicted. It seems obvious to me he was a very bad or unfortunate person, and you can see that right up until the things he said nearing the end of his life, and in photographs of him. However there are several separate issues at play here that I am concerned about:

The more people read Feynman, or listen to him, the more they will think his sociopathy is actually merely a cultural misunderstanding, and he is just a product of his time, and it is okay for them to have beliefs or behaviors which can result in the same things he did.

Feynman was part of "thought collectives", groups that determine what the future structures of knowledge will be, and future members of these thought collectives, e.g. California, Macau and Tennessee graduate students etc. Some of these people still like him a lot, and this can cause them to have their work undermined or become less influential merely because of that, rather than its quality, or merely because they disagree with some journal editor about appropriate language when discussing these matters.

A bunch of people of the era, as well as today, are undermined by the "Great Man" narrative of history. Whenever we hear about women in history, it's assumed they're there just to balance out the distribution of men, rather than because they can be true iconoclasts and innovators like Feynman or Euler or Plato. I didn't know who Wú Jiànxióng was until writing this, which is embarrassing, considering she was vastly more influential and impactful than Feynman in her field, as well as in the world. I think a major aspect of this is related to the first 2 problems. Men systematize their abuse, which results in (only sometimes, but enough) in a reactionary response to it which, as a consequence, can further perpetuate it and reinforce the idea of women in history as interchangeable with any other competent woman.

A side note related to 3: it is interesting to consider whether, under a non-patriarchal science, there would simply be no "great scientists", e.g. women would not have the same motivation to establish rigid pantheons of intellectuals, elevating their fame and influence as men do. I think this idea is undermined by non-european or non-heavily-US-influenced academic cultures, wherein it is generally understood and frequently comes about that students can produce just as impactful work as award winning life-long researchers (India, Singapore, Korea, China, Japan), which are nevertheless quite patriarchal.

In light of this I have some questions on my mind, feel free to not consider any of them:

Do you like Feynman? Why?

If you like him, do you think his ideas should still be popular?

Do you think that that we should talk about people who have done very bad things, or are bad people?

If so, should scientific and other formal communities regulate how they are talked about in a way that has little to do with their subject matter?

Why is this level of compartmentalization possible? Can it only exist in certain brains? How can a person be seemingly empathetic in one context, and apparently sociopathic in another?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707163&forum_id=2Elisa#48826134)



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Date: April 8th, 2025 1:38 AM
Author: Mauve Kitty

In a note to the director of the FBI, dated July 29, 1958, Special Agent-in-Charge (SAC) Los Angeles notes details from an L.A. Times article from two years prior, regarding his relations with his wife: "The appointee's wife was granted a divorce from him because of appointee's constantly working calculus problems in his head as soon as awake, while driving car, sitting in living room and so forth, and that his one hobby was playing his African drums. His ex-wife reportedly testified that on several occasions when she unwittingly disturbed either his calculus or his drums he flew into a violent rage, during which time he choked her, threw pieces of bric-a-brac about and smashed the furniture."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707163&forum_id=2Elisa#48826620)



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Date: April 8th, 2025 10:07 AM
Author: supple ticket booth telephone

He was a horrible womanizer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707163&forum_id=2Elisa#48827158)



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Date: April 8th, 2025 1:16 PM
Author: Mauve Kitty

You mean he was unsuccessful at it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707163&forum_id=2Elisa#48827697)



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Date: April 8th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: supple ticket booth telephone

Can someone be "good" at something bad?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707163&forum_id=2Elisa#48827742)



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Date: April 8th, 2025 10:24 AM
Author: smoky macaca

His house burnt down in the Altadena fires.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707163&forum_id=2Elisa#48827221)



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Date: April 8th, 2025 11:37 AM
Author: lilac submissive tanning salon

the guy was dashing, but he famously taught himself Spanish before traveling to Brazil-- so perhaps best at testifying about frozen O rings than real life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5707163&forum_id=2Elisa#48827415)



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Date: April 11th, 2025 9:28 AM
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