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PSA: Jones Day is ranked 15 by Vault and doesn't pay lockstep

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.
odious forum
  06/15/18
“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”
Galvanic incel
  06/15/18
As I understand it.
beady-eyed old irish cottage resort
  06/15/18
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Boyish piazza elastic band
  06/15/18
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Boyish piazza elastic band
  02/12/22
they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. th...
Aromatic indian lodge
  06/15/18
oh we got a legal expert here
federal kitchen
  10/06/21
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odious forum
  02/12/22
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Echoes of Wisdom
  08/12/25
they have no debt as I understand it
Sticky site
  06/15/18
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Boyish piazza elastic band
  06/15/18
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Vibrant Apoplectic Box Office
  06/15/18
260k is a huge salary
Sticky site
  06/15/18
goes a long way in shaker heights
Appetizing national
  06/15/18
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Violent locus karate
  06/15/18
Cr. Thats city janitor money
Boyish piazza elastic band
  06/15/18
Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal ...
chest-beating headpube tanning salon
  06/15/18
How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 ...
Sinister office
  02/12/21
It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your cha...
Smoky lodge mood
  06/15/18
they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live ...
Aromatic indian lodge
  06/15/18
sounds 180
Sticky site
  06/15/18
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Violent locus karate
  06/15/18
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Vibrant Apoplectic Box Office
  06/15/18
https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/myst...
charismatic alpha double fault
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Boyish piazza elastic band
  06/15/18
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beady-eyed old irish cottage resort
  06/15/18
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Vibrant Apoplectic Box Office
  06/15/18
https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1
Vibrant Apoplectic Box Office
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Smoky lodge mood
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primrose abode
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Vibrant Apoplectic Box Office
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primrose abode
  10/06/21
is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 intera...
odious forum
  10/06/21
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odious forum
  01/18/25
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I hate being a lawyer and want to die
  08/12/25
omg 260k where do they get off
Yellow zombie-like pistol police squad
  06/15/18
For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t ...
odious forum
  06/15/18
p depressing news going into the weekend
Indigo fragrant location generalized bond
  06/15/18
Eat my dick nigger lover
odious forum
  06/15/18
your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire...
Indigo fragrant location generalized bond
  06/15/18
Explain
odious forum
  06/15/18
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odious forum
  06/16/18
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odious forum
  09/04/18
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primrose abode
  06/16/18
yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put...
Vigorous bright school cafeteria
  06/15/18
To be fair, *Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends
soul-stirring coffee pot parlour
  06/15/18
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odious forum
  02/12/21
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razzle regret sound barrier
  02/12/21
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Vibrant Apoplectic Box Office
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odious forum
  10/14/21
I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.
swashbuckling community account volcanic crater
  02/12/21
holy shit out the firm
Racy stead hissy fit
  02/12/21
or at least give us vault range. that is really low.
odious forum
  02/12/21
Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.
Electric Khaki Gunner Sanctuary
  02/12/21
it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression a...
odious forum
  02/12/21
That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cr...
Electric Khaki Gunner Sanctuary
  02/12/21
i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.
odious forum
  02/15/21
They systematically overpay top performers though. If you'r...
Coiffed nofapping school corn cake
  02/12/21
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razzle regret sound barrier
  02/12/21
No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an...
swashbuckling community account volcanic crater
  02/12/21
Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they ca...
Coiffed nofapping school corn cake
  02/12/21
Better partnership odds
heady shaky church building
  02/12/21
That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner ...
Coiffed nofapping school corn cake
  02/12/21
Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except f...
heady shaky church building
  02/12/21
(Stevie Brogan)
Racy stead hissy fit
  02/12/21
lol no
Emerald Titillating Toaster Nursing Home
  02/12/21
how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Clevel...
vivacious bat shit crazy range quadroon
  02/15/21
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odious forum
  06/29/21
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odious forum
  10/06/21
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splenetic center prole
  10/06/21
that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.
Twisted startling internal respiration
  10/06/21
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odious forum
  02/12/22


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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:24 PM
Author: odious forum

Senior associates making $260k. This is a SHIT profession.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252934)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:27 PM
Author: Galvanic incel

“I like working for a firm that has its finances in order!”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252952)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:33 PM
Author: beady-eyed old irish cottage resort

As I understand it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253562)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:37 PM
Author: Boyish piazza elastic band



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: Boyish piazza elastic band



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Aromatic indian lodge

they're a rust belt firm filled with miserable strivers. the high ranking is from their NY and DC specialty practices, which didn't arrive until the 80s. they lost their entire DC office when it broke off to form crowell & moring

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252972)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:10 PM
Author: federal kitchen

oh we got a legal expert here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#43231415)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:41 AM
Author: odious forum



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#43955203)



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Echoes of Wisdom ((zurich is stained))



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:32 PM
Author: Sticky site

they have no debt as I understand it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252979)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:48 PM
Author: Boyish piazza elastic band



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: Vibrant Apoplectic Box Office



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:33 PM
Author: Sticky site

260k is a huge salary

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252984)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: Appetizing national

goes a long way in shaker heights

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252989)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:41 PM
Author: Violent locus karate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253024)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Boyish piazza elastic band

Cr. Thats city janitor money

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253068)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:34 PM
Author: chest-beating headpube tanning salon

Something tells me they have no problems hiring. The legal profession will always have a massive oversupply problem unless major changes are made.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252986)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:14 PM
Author: Sinister office

How did this shit analysis not get called out in 2018? V25 firms are all competing over the same band of graduates and to a lesser extent laterals. There's an oversupply of lawyers in the country but there isn't an oversupply of Class of 2017 Stanford Law graduates willing to do debt financing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935785)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:35 PM
Author: Smoky lodge mood

It's probably a decent firm if you want to increase your chances of making a career of it v. maximizing your earnings. That's always been my impression, although maybe incorrect.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36252995)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Aromatic indian lodge

they de-equitize all the time. so yea, if you want to live in the midwest making six figures as basically a career of counsel, it might work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253002)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:37 PM
Author: Sticky site

sounds 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253004)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:42 PM
Author: Violent locus karate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253030)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:56 PM
Author: Vibrant Apoplectic Box Office



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:38 PM
Author: charismatic alpha double fault

https://simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/mysterybox.png

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253012)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:49 PM
Author: Boyish piazza elastic band



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253073)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: beady-eyed old irish cottage resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253597)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:42 PM
Author: Vibrant Apoplectic Box Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253628)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Vibrant Apoplectic Box Office

https://imgur.com/a/9I8pMf1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253692)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:59 PM
Author: Smoky lodge mood



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253708)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:46 PM
Author: primrose abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36254559)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: Vibrant Apoplectic Box Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41949790)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:12 PM
Author: primrose abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#43231423)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: odious forum

is this that coked up "written work, the way 9.3 interacts with 7.2" guy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#43231447)



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Date: January 18th, 2025 10:31 PM
Author: odious forum



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#48564541)



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Date: August 12th, 2025 12:32 PM
Author: I hate being a lawyer and want to die



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#49178251)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 4:50 PM
Author: Yellow zombie-like pistol police squad

omg 260k where do they get off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253074)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: odious forum

For the record I’m at a much lower ranked firm that doesn’t pay lockstep and was making 260k when I made partner.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253521)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 6:28 PM
Author: Indigo fragrant location generalized bond

p depressing news going into the weekend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253537)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:15 PM
Author: odious forum

Eat my dick nigger lover

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253786)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:05 PM
Author: Indigo fragrant location generalized bond

your unraveling before our eyes has become the dumpster fire du jour

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36254215)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 10:35 PM
Author: odious forum

Explain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36254517)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 2:30 PM
Author: odious forum



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36256523)



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Date: September 4th, 2018 2:24 PM
Author: odious forum



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36743851)



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Date: June 16th, 2018 12:01 AM
Author: primrose abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36254823)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 7:28 PM
Author: Vigorous bright school cafeteria

yeah, but with "Jones Day" on your resume, you put in some time and then afterwards you basically write your own ticket

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36253827)



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Date: June 15th, 2018 9:46 PM
Author: soul-stirring coffee pot parlour

To be fair,

*Jones Days, Nights, and Weekends

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#36254339)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:22 PM
Author: odious forum



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933386)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:21 PM
Author: razzle regret sound barrier



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933826)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:06 PM
Author: Vibrant Apoplectic Box Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41949789)



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Date: October 14th, 2021 1:53 PM
Author: odious forum



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#43271055)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:36 PM
Author: swashbuckling community account volcanic crater

I make less than that as a V50 Of Counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933507)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 2:37 PM
Author: Racy stead hissy fit

holy shit

out the firm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933521)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:15 PM
Author: odious forum

or at least give us vault range. that is really low.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933783)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:22 PM
Author: Electric Khaki Gunner Sanctuary

Gotta be flame. First years make 200k minimum now.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933832)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: odious forum

it might not be flame. there is severe salary compression at firms that don't pay lockstep (like mine). I think when i made partner biglaw was at 180 or 190 for first years. i was making 260 when i was put up. my firm always matches the market salary for first years but does nothing for anyone year 2 and beyond.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933852)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:27 PM
Author: Electric Khaki Gunner Sanctuary

That’s a good point, I woulda thought most v50s pay cravath scale but it’s been a while since I’ve seen the list

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933882)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:02 PM
Author: odious forum

i think most v50s do, but there are some outliers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41949761)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:24 PM
Author: Coiffed nofapping school corn cake

They systematically overpay top performers though. If you're a 6th year doing 2400+ hours and unhappy with your pay and you're good, you could walk across the street to any other firm that does lockstep. But now you make the same as their worst sixth year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933851)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 3:39 PM
Author: razzle regret sound barrier



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41933950)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:10 PM
Author: swashbuckling community account volcanic crater

No they don't. No associate at Jones Day makes more than an associate of the same year at a lockstep firm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935758)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:57 PM
Author: Coiffed nofapping school corn cake

Then explain why a high performer would stay knowing they can go to another firm tomorrow and get more money?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935989)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:00 PM
Author: heady shaky church building

Better partnership odds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935999)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:04 PM
Author: Coiffed nofapping school corn cake

That's a fair point, it seems like they have larger partner classes, but it's a longer track too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41936016)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 11:10 PM
Author: heady shaky church building

Not longer than most V20s, which are 10 years plus, except for places where no one makes partner (Cravath, S&C, etc.).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41936043)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:15 PM
Author: Racy stead hissy fit

(Stevie Brogan)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935792)



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Date: February 12th, 2021 10:22 PM
Author: Emerald Titillating Toaster Nursing Home

lol no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41935828)



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Date: February 15th, 2021 4:12 PM
Author: vivacious bat shit crazy range quadroon

how hard to lateral from NYC/Chicago v50 to Jones Day Cleveland? the Shaker Heights trolling has got me curious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#41949811)



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Date: June 29th, 2021 8:18 AM
Author: odious forum



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#42703414)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:07 PM
Author: odious forum



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#43231403)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:15 PM
Author: splenetic center prole



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#43231440)



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Date: October 6th, 2021 2:17 PM
Author: Twisted startling internal respiration

that's why they're as high as they are. feature, not a bug.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#43231452)



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Date: February 12th, 2022 8:43 AM
Author: odious forum



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4002947&forum_id=2Elisa#43955207)