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Mommy GF Battle: Elizabeth Shue vs Heather Graham (vote)

https://telegrafi.com/media-library/2022-09-elisabeth-png.pn...
Out-of-control Honey-headed Pistol
  01/29/26
I prefer Ally Walker circa early 90’s
Contagious station
  01/29/26
938833837478383748938474883838478837478487
Cerise point
  01/29/26
holy fuck, she was hot as hell: https://ibb.co/xq3zN1Gh
Contagious station
  03/05/26
WOW, just wow. Silently judging every single (1) thread I've...
Cerise point
  03/05/26
...
Contagious station
  03/05/26
...
Cerise point
  03/05/26
I vote yes.
Fuchsia Sadistic Piazza
  01/29/26
...
garnet corn cake
  01/29/26
...
Cerise point
  01/29/26
...
Cerise point
  01/29/26
...
;::;:;;::;;;;;::::
  04/27/26
My friend is wondering how much it'd cost to have them recor...
garnet corn cake
  01/29/26
😹😹😹
Cerise point
  01/29/26
Modernity is 180, absolutely apropos of nothing 🐶
Cerise point
  01/29/26
...
garnet corn cake
  01/29/26
...
Cerise point
  01/29/26
I am going to hypothesize that the transaction price here is...
Fuchsia Sadistic Piazza
  01/29/26
🤯🤯🤯
Cerise point
  01/29/26
...
garnet corn cake
  01/29/26
...
Cerise point
  01/29/26
They better stack that bread asap cause AI will make this ob...
garnet corn cake
  01/29/26
Okay, I lol'd
Cerise point
  01/29/26
...
Red Rehab
  03/13/26
...
Cerise point
  03/13/26
going to have to go with heather graham here, she really def...
disgusting flickering university pervert
  01/29/26
MFCR
Out-of-control Honey-headed Pistol
  01/29/26
...
Cerise point
  01/29/26
I would like to wake up on a sunny morning to find Elizabeth...
Drab factory reset button
  01/29/26
“todays newspaper carried by my just-back-from-walk do...
Cerise point
  01/29/26
...
Out-of-control Honey-headed Pistol
  01/29/26
...
Cerise point
  01/29/26
...
bisexual cerebral chapel associate
  01/30/26
...
Cerise point
  01/30/26
(Ally Sheedy's agent)
garnet corn cake
  01/29/26
Okay, I lol’d
Cerise point
  01/29/26
tubgirl forever
Burgundy Big Trailer Park Haunted Graveyard
  01/29/26
...
Red Rehab
  03/13/26
...
Cerise point
  03/13/26
Why did.t you walk with your GOODBOY golden?
aggressive menage
  01/29/26
Cq 🤔🧐🐶
Cerise point
  01/29/26
Alley Sheedy poked her head through my bedroom door and whis...
Drab factory reset button
  01/30/26
“I understand and wish to continue” 🐶
Cerise point
  01/30/26
...
Red Rehab
  03/13/26
...
Cerise point
  03/13/26
ITT: gorgeous men
Cerise point
  01/29/26
...
Contagious station
  01/29/26
...
Cerise point
  01/29/26
...
Contagious station
  03/05/26
...
Burgundy Big Trailer Park Haunted Graveyard
  03/13/26
Heather Graham has hung in there for a while and still a str...
Trip center
  01/29/26
She's lost a step, but she had so many steps to begin with. ...
spectacular pea-brained candlestick maker
  01/30/26
Similar to Autoadmit / XOXOhth / ZoZo come to think of it - ...
Cerise point
  01/30/26
Heather
Crusty chad sound barrier
  01/29/26
Rollergirl
chocolate galvanic feces
  01/29/26
...
Cerise point
  01/30/26
...
Cerise point
  02/01/26
Mommy Milkers https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/En...
Crusty chad sound barrier
  02/01/26
180
Cerise point
  02/10/26
...
Out-of-control Honey-headed Pistol
  03/05/26
...
Cerise point
  03/05/26
Oh God YES!
Trust If Aryan
  04/27/26
...
llm (lab lives matter) friend tp
  04/27/26
also, JoBeth Williams from the Poltergeist tp: https://ibb....
Contagious station
  03/05/26
https://historicimages.com/cdn/shop/products/MVA14339_1200x....
Cerise point
  03/05/26
jfc, jfc. she's like the hottest yet simultaneously oldes...
Contagious station
  03/05/26
Probably why she aged so well - was born a hot 40 year old a...
Cerise point
  03/05/26
a real Cheryl Hines vibe, ngl tp
Contagious station
  03/05/26
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cerise point
  03/05/26
Just looked her up and she's aged very gracefully, whoa - wh...
Cerise point
  03/05/26
modern goyslop phenotypes perpetuating tp
Contagious station
  03/05/26
The phenotypes of modernity are 180... tp
Cerise point
  03/05/26
...
Cerise point
  03/13/26
https://x.com/walterwhiteh691/status/2033042893741633823
sepia thriller ticket booth
  03/15/26
(How 20 year old me felt when dating a 30 year old, but sadl...
llm (lab lives matter) friend tp
  04/27/26
...
Long PlayroomPoon Clown Conniption
  04/27/26
18000000000000000000000000000000000000000
llm (lab lives matter) friend tp
  04/27/26
Leslie Mann would like a word with you after class
Emperor CRISPR Chad von Neumann III
  04/27/26
"I understand and wish to continue..."
llm (lab lives matter) friend tp
  04/27/26


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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:49 PM
Author: Out-of-control Honey-headed Pistol

https://telegrafi.com/media-library/2022-09-elisabeth-png.png?id=58045890&width=1245&height=700&quality=90&coordinates=0%2C0%2C0%2C0

vs

https://www.instagram.com/p/DLn9kCAIMXP/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630594)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:50 PM
Author: Contagious station

I prefer Ally Walker circa early 90’s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630598)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:54 PM
Author: Cerise point

938833837478383748938474883838478837478487

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630615)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:02 PM
Author: Contagious station

holy fuck, she was hot as hell:

https://ibb.co/xq3zN1Gh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49719000)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:03 PM
Author: Cerise point

WOW, just wow. Silently judging every single (1) thread I've ever made and looking unironically gorgeous while doing it tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49719002)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:04 PM
Author: Contagious station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49719007)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:14 PM
Author: Cerise point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49719067)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:52 PM
Author: Fuchsia Sadistic Piazza

I vote yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630606)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:53 PM
Author: garnet corn cake



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630610)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:54 PM
Author: Cerise point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630616)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:19 PM
Author: Cerise point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630721)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 4:50 PM
Author: ;::;:;;::;;;;;::::



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49847306)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:54 PM
Author: garnet corn cake

My friend is wondering how much it'd cost to have them record a Cameo where they are doing laundry and they find his disgusting bed sheets and scold him for them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630620)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:55 PM
Author: Cerise point

😹😹😹

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630623)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:55 PM
Author: Cerise point

Modernity is 180, absolutely apropos of nothing 🐶

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630624)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:03 PM
Author: garnet corn cake



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630666)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:04 PM
Author: Cerise point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630670)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:01 PM
Author: Fuchsia Sadistic Piazza

I am going to hypothesize that the transaction price here is well within reach for many, but that if scaled across the total addressable market would surpass the earning potential of any late-career actress and permit the top tier of mommy actresses to buy any Tuscan villa or wine country retreat that they prefer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630651)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:02 PM
Author: Cerise point

🤯🤯🤯

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630656)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:03 PM
Author: garnet corn cake



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630665)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:05 PM
Author: Cerise point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630673)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 3:17 PM
Author: garnet corn cake

They better stack that bread asap cause AI will make this obsolete very soon IMO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630991)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 10:53 PM
Author: Cerise point

Okay, I lol'd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49632135)



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Date: March 13th, 2026 9:10 PM
Author: Red Rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49741331)



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Date: March 13th, 2026 9:48 PM
Author: Cerise point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49741381)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:55 PM
Author: disgusting flickering university pervert

going to have to go with heather graham here, she really defied expectations. her phenotype typically doesn't age that well

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630625)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:57 PM
Author: Out-of-control Honey-headed Pistol

MFCR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630637)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:02 PM
Author: Cerise point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630662)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 1:57 PM
Author: Drab factory reset button

I would like to wake up on a sunny morning to find Elizabeth Shue in my kitchen making me scrambled eggs and coffee. As I gaze out at the beautiful day, I would see Heather Graham in shorts and a tank top mowing my lawn. Then I'd turn around and find Ally Sheedy coming into the livingroom with a basket of freshly folded laundry and todays newspaper carried by my just-back-from-walk dog whose fluffy golden tail cannot stop wagging.

That is what I would like. I would really like that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630638)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:02 PM
Author: Cerise point

“todays newspaper carried by my just-back-from-walk dog whose golden tail cannot stop wagging”

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630661)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:06 PM
Author: Out-of-control Honey-headed Pistol



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630675)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:07 PM
Author: Cerise point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630678)



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Date: January 30th, 2026 11:45 AM
Author: bisexual cerebral chapel associate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49632930)



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Date: January 30th, 2026 8:24 PM
Author: Cerise point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49634530)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:04 PM
Author: garnet corn cake

(Ally Sheedy's agent)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630668)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:05 PM
Author: Cerise point

Okay, I lol’d

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630672)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 3:17 PM
Author: Burgundy Big Trailer Park Haunted Graveyard

tubgirl forever

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630994)



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Date: March 13th, 2026 9:11 PM
Author: Red Rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49741333)



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Date: March 13th, 2026 9:48 PM
Author: Cerise point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49741384)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 6:28 PM
Author: aggressive menage

Why did.t you walk with your GOODBOY golden?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49631517)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 10:09 PM
Author: Cerise point

Cq 🤔🧐🐶

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49632032)



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Date: January 30th, 2026 8:11 PM
Author: Drab factory reset button

Alley Sheedy poked her head through my bedroom door and whispered, "Just sleep in this morning hon, I'll tkae GOODBOY out for his walk. We'll get you a paper. Shhhh, sleep now." then gently closed the door.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49634480)



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Date: January 30th, 2026 8:23 PM
Author: Cerise point

“I understand and wish to continue” 🐶

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49634528)



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Date: March 13th, 2026 9:11 PM
Author: Red Rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49741334)



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Date: March 13th, 2026 9:48 PM
Author: Cerise point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49741383)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 2:25 PM
Author: Cerise point

ITT: gorgeous men

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630755)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 10:27 PM
Author: Contagious station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49632064)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 10:32 PM
Author: Cerise point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49632079)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:04 PM
Author: Contagious station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49719008)



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Date: March 13th, 2026 10:03 PM
Author: Burgundy Big Trailer Park Haunted Graveyard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49741428)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 3:13 PM
Author: Trip center

Heather Graham has hung in there for a while and still a strong 1 on the binary scale but the cracks are really showing now and it’s just about over.

Subjective 10/10 in her prime. Objective 9/10 at least?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49630976)



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Date: January 30th, 2026 12:46 AM
Author: spectacular pea-brained candlestick maker

She's lost a step, but she had so many steps to begin with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49632274)



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Date: January 30th, 2026 11:37 AM
Author: Cerise point

Similar to Autoadmit / XOXOhth / ZoZo come to think of it - gorgeous wealth in all senses of the word

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49632909)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 10:07 PM
Author: Crusty chad sound barrier

Heather

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49632021)



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Date: January 29th, 2026 10:11 PM
Author: chocolate galvanic feces

Rollergirl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49632043)



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Date: January 30th, 2026 5:44 PM
Author: Cerise point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49634103)



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Date: February 1st, 2026 8:20 PM
Author: Cerise point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49639754)



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Date: February 1st, 2026 8:25 PM
Author: Crusty chad sound barrier

Mommy Milkers

https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2024729/rs_634x1024-240829094727-HeatherGallery.jpg?fit=around%7C634:1024&output-quality=90&crop=634:1024;center,top

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49639771)



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Date: February 10th, 2026 3:10 PM
Author: Cerise point

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49661343)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 2:00 PM
Author: Out-of-control Honey-headed Pistol



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49718099)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:00 PM
Author: Cerise point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49718994)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 3:13 PM
Author: Trust If Aryan

Oh God YES!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49847109)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 3:23 PM
Author: llm (lab lives matter) friend tp



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49847141)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:04 PM
Author: Contagious station

also, JoBeth Williams from the Poltergeist tp:

https://ibb.co/5XG8mL4T

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49719004)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:16 PM
Author: Cerise point

https://historicimages.com/cdn/shop/products/MVA14339_1200x.jpeg?v=1497387802

TFW no JoBeth Williams Mrs. Officer mommy gf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49719071)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:17 PM
Author: Contagious station

jfc, jfc.

she's like the hottest yet simultaneously oldest looking female ever tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49719076)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:18 PM
Author: Cerise point

Probably why she aged so well - was born a hot 40 year old and never changed, tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49719079)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:19 PM
Author: Contagious station

a real Cheryl Hines vibe, ngl tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49719081)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:19 PM
Author: Cerise point

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49719084)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:17 PM
Author: Cerise point

Just looked her up and she's aged very gracefully, whoa - what is it with Boomer women either aging amazingly or terribly with nothing in between, very few merely average looking ones IME

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49719075)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:18 PM
Author: Contagious station

modern goyslop phenotypes perpetuating tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49719077)



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Date: March 5th, 2026 6:18 PM
Author: Cerise point

The phenotypes of modernity are 180... tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49719080)



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Date: March 13th, 2026 4:31 PM
Author: Cerise point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49740558)



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Date: March 15th, 2026 4:02 PM
Author: sepia thriller ticket booth

https://x.com/walterwhiteh691/status/2033042893741633823

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49745924)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 2:28 PM
Author: llm (lab lives matter) friend tp

(How 20 year old me felt when dating a 30 year old, but sadly before I discovered Autoadmit so wasn’t able to live blog the experience, for better or worse) 🐶

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49846983)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 10:59 AM
Author: Long PlayroomPoon Clown Conniption ( )



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49846429)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 2:13 PM
Author: llm (lab lives matter) friend tp

18000000000000000000000000000000000000000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49846939)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 5:05 PM
Author: Emperor CRISPR Chad von Neumann III

Leslie Mann would like a word with you after class

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49847344)



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Date: April 27th, 2026 5:12 PM
Author: llm (lab lives matter) friend tp

"I understand and wish to continue..."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5828380&forum_id=2Elisa#49847358)