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Have $600K in-house job offer that requires relocation to Miami, FL
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Date: July 20th, 2025 7:34 PM Author: Vigorous sweet tailpipe Have never been to Miami and am not a beach person.
Current job is $400K regional Biglaw in a mid-sized city. Have a solid set up here with wife’s family nearby.
Would cost 2.5X our current house to get a decent house in decent neighborhood in Miami it seems. Probably 3.5X to get something that really matches the same house size we have here.
Anyone want to talk me into or out of taking the job? The job would be quasi legal and get me onto the business side. |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 7:40 PM Author: dashing twinkling uncleanness How old are your kids?
How much do your in-laws help?
Do you like practicing law? |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 7:44 PM Author: Vigorous sweet tailpipe 6 and 3.
Don’t like doing time entries but don’t have it all that bad. I do work in a niche area that is likely to decline in the short to medium term, so need to pivot a bit to keep it going in law (have laid out some feelers there and it’s doable but not a slam dunk).
In-laws babysit a lot. Not indispensable but would hate to lose them and my wife wouldn’t like it either. Unlikely (but not a certain no) that they’d move with us. |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 7:56 PM Author: dashing twinkling uncleanness if it was $400k and easy street job for as long as you need, you'd be crazy to uproot for family.
Family is the most important thing brother. Moving to Miami will take your kids and wife away from extended family. They won't grow up with them around and instead see them probably a couple times per year.
You and your wife are going to be more stressed in a new city without any help and you starting a new job. This will likely strain your marriage.
IME it's not worth it for a couple extra bucks when you already make a very nice living. I mean 50% raise (maybe more if your current state has an income tax) is a good amount, so maybe im minimizing that a bit.
However, if you hate what you do and need to transition for your career or mental health, then sure consider taking the job especially if you think your marriage can handle it. Your kids are young enough to adjust. |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:13 PM Author: Vigorous sweet tailpipe Ty. If my niche wasnt declining id not really consider it, but its a really hard call as is and im struggling with it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2Elisa#49117394) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:24 PM Author: dashing twinkling uncleanness did this opportunity just fall into your lap? maybe if you focus on a job search there'll be opportunities closer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2Elisa#49117435) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:28 PM Author: Vigorous sweet tailpipe I proactively called and asked him. He had tried to recruit me a few years ago and I declined. I was hoping he’d let me stay remote with maybe 60 days a year for me to travel to Miami but he said that’s a non-starter.
It’s possible I could find other jobs but would be pretty difficult to even get half of what this is offering. If I turn this down I need to focus on internally networking within my firm. |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:06 PM Author: Sickened stead jew dont underestimate the utility of having grandparents nearby. much better than having to find a babysitter ever emergency that happens. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2Elisa#49117375) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:26 PM Author: Honey-headed fluffy legend more importantly, dont underestimate the impact of having loving grandparents as a regular fixture in your kids' lives. my brother and i regularly talk about the 'glory days' of when my grandfather moved to our town to be with us for a while. was 180^180 having grandpa take us to movies or spoil us with treats. my brother is a chad normie but i would probably be a much more deranged incel if i never had those few years with grandpa before he passed. looking back if it was a choice between my parents having half the income we had for fun stuff or having grandpa, easy choice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2Elisa#49117445) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:28 PM Author: dashing twinkling uncleanness cr. i never had that and it's important to me that my kids do. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2Elisa#49117452) |
Date: July 20th, 2025 7:38 PM Author: Aromatic Mewling Dysfunction Gunner Gonna need to know a lot more about the business side here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2Elisa#49117318) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 7:51 PM Author: Boyish Splenetic Dingle Berry Does that 600K include RSUs that vest over years? If so, would reconsider. If not, pack your bags. You also would pay no state income tax which would be awesome. Miami kinda sucks but the city you’re living in probably sucks more. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2Elisa#49117349) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:28 PM Author: Honey-headed fluffy legend miami seems pointless if you're a family guy. smaller tier 2 city that you have family/roots in and that has a real regional culture with lower COL is much better at that stage in his life unless the pay differential is massive, which it really isn't after adjusting for COL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2Elisa#49117454) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 7:54 PM Author: Sickened stead jew what title are u in biglaw? would this job be fully in-office? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2Elisa#49117353) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:12 PM Author: Vigorous sweet tailpipe I’m a partner but have no equity.
Going fully remote and staying where I’m at wouldn’t be an option. The person offering me the job usually goes in 3 days a week and stays home at least a day or two so I expect I’d have the same option. |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:01 PM Author: big-titted forum I would find this very tempting, but if you’re getting material help from the nearby family then you have to take into account the non-financial impact on your QOL.
House size is a stupid metric. People live in too large of homes as it is. If you could get a smaller place in a nice walkable neighborhood where your kids could grow up with some freedom of movement, that’d easily offset the big suburban backyard or whatever. But hard to really judge this without knowing your price point and the commute situation.
Is the money basically guaranteed? Or are you putting a bunch at risk in RSUs or other deferred dollars? |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:08 PM Author: Spruce Principal's Office He’s a retard whose most important consideration is “house size” which means he will almost certainly be greedy and take the money, ruining his life and his family. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2Elisa#49117379) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:15 PM Author: Vigorous sweet tailpipe Fair points on house size. I’m in a true suburb now so something more walkable could be cool and we’d still be able to get enough house. Even in this suburb though, kids always ride their bikes and stuff around the neighborhood.
I still have family visit a lot and would if I moved so it’d be important to have an extra room for them.
The offer was informally made by my former boss who is high up at the company but given my past with him I’m entirely confident he’d deliver on comp. |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:03 PM Author: Metal range circlehead Provide more details about the job if you have questions. Have a lot of in house experience at all levels (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2Elisa#49117371) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:21 PM Author: Vigorous sweet tailpipe I’m confident the job itself would be a really good thing. My issues are almost entirely regarding the proposed relocation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2Elisa#49117429) |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:27 PM Author: supple box office *averse
It sounds like op has some niche skill so it’s possibly not that likely he’d get laid off bc even if the company gets slow, they have that need and the alternative is hiring a firm, which will be way more expensive.
All lawyers at firms with no book (excluding year 1-7 associates) are targets. Things get slow and they’re det. |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 8:13 AM Author: Vigorous sweet tailpipe Yea, that’s what makes this a harder choice. The practice group is undeniably going to take a hit but whether that’s 25%, 50% or 80% reduction remains to be seen. I do have some light experience in other areas the firm does and have started networking a bit there, so it’s not completely hopeless if my niche goes away. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2Elisa#49118248) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 10:26 PM Author: bearded mediation This isn't even close: Stay where you are. You can hunt for jobs that have more to offer than this if you want to.
What are the upsides of moving? 1/3 of that additional salary is going to taxes. And it sounds like the rest (or more) would go to increased housing and child care costs.
No guarantees that the grass is really greener, that you'd still want this new job in a year, or that they'd still want you.
Being near family and in a place where your kids, your wife, and you have and are further developing roots is 180. |
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I will also note that leaving biglaw for a really nice in-house job paying that much is NOT common. In fact, in-house jobs paying that aren't common at all.
I'm also an in-housemo in Florida that loves it along with a wife who does the same thing. But I have met people in-house that prefer biglaw. Seems bizarre to me but people have different personalities. Just think about what will make you and your family happy and what will make you guys miserable. No point in choosing misery over happiness. |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 8:10 AM Author: Vigorous sweet tailpipe This new job would have hours little better and perhaps worse than my current job. The guy I’d be working for is swamped and they are in heavy expansion and acquisition mode.
I’ve spent most of my career in-house and think I prefer it to Biglaw. The guy offering me the job is my former boss who I split ways with 5 years ago. But, for former in-house gigs were very cushy, I don’t think this would be.
My wife is very against the potential move. She thinks if we stay here even if I get laid off in a few years we’d still have our cheap house here and ample savings but she also orders shitloads of crap from Amazon so who knows. |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 3:14 PM Author: Vigorous sweet tailpipe Yes but she’s an elementary school teacher so doesn’t really contribute significantly to our HHI. She’s aware that she’d have to call out a lot more to watch out kids when they are sick if the grandparents weren’t around. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2Elisa#49119324) |
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But all of these places are very urban. OP and family may absolutely hate that and the general vibe of all of these places in which case it would be a bad move. So far this doesn't seem like a great idea. I still say take the family and explore the city a bit before saying no. But I'm also very biased towards Florida (have lived here for years at this point and really like it). If I had an amazing offer in say, California or NYC, I wouldn't even consider it. |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 4:16 PM Author: Vigorous sweet tailpipe Any thoughts on Pinecrest? Seemed expensive but maybe doable. Looked like the sort of place we could like. Have no idea about schools nearby.
Mind not made up yet and check in with the offerer isn’t for a few weeks so plenty of time to change my mind 5 more times but probably leaning against taking it at the moment.
You’re right they spending a weekend exploring with my wife would be a great idea before turning it down. |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinecrest,_Florida
White is under 40% and Latino is about 50%. By comparison Coconut Grove is about 60% white and 35% Latino. Surfside is similar to Coconut Grove. Because it is Miami, every neighborhood will have a lot of Latinos but the question is how do you feel about them being the majority to the extent that people will speak Spanish to you by default? I will note that there are some neighborhoods where it is exclusively Spanish. My favorite dog park in the area is Perrine Wayside Dog Park. It has a cute lake in the middle, a lot of large dogs and are tolerant of pretty much all breeds. XOers would hate it. But that entire area is "hablo no ingles" even if people in the dog park mostly speak english. We used to go and grab a snack at a place nearby and absolutely zero english. Had to order entirely en espanol. In that respect you have to understand that parts of Miami basically aren't the US at all.
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You'll love it there or SurfSide/Sunny Isles or Aventura
If you want urban bullshit avoid Brickell and check out Wynwood or Midtown/Fashion district area
Again Miami is 100% SPS so caveat emptor
i wouldnt move back there unless it was to stay on Venetian away from everyone
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 2:17 PM Author: Lascivious marketing idea casino I never really looked on Venetian and if anything it is cheaper than I thought it would be (still unaffordable for OP and other mere mortals): https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1001-N-Venetian-Dr-Miami-Beach-FL-33139/43831754_zpid/
But you are also losing the ability to walk to restaurants and walking your dog means either doing the exact same walk or getting in your car and driving somewhere. |
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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:32 PM Author: Stirring geriatric location faggot firefighter it doesn't sound like you're suffering where you are now, and it also doesn't sound like you really want this new job. yes it's more money in a no tax state, and you feel somewhat negative about the future path you're on. but if this isn't like the opportunity of a lifetime, idk why you'd blow up your life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2Elisa#49120348) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 4:15 PM Author: Kink-friendly Topaz Rigor Need more context re inhouse job and how safe it is. In general people in this thread are overrating grandparents, but they are potentially worth more than the comp difference. Factors to consider: 1) they are by far the most useful 0-5 ages, and you’re almost out of that territory. We have both sets of grandparents close and an aunt but still opt for a sitter anytime we know kids need to be in bed at a reasonable hour bc our family will let them stay up until midnight and eat a bunch of junk. There’s always a detox period when they come back from their grandparents. 2) grandparents can travel to you way more easily until they’re 80+, especially if you buy their plane tickets, and most old people love Florida. Seems completely plausible that you could work it out that they come for long visits and you still get 2+ months of quality time every year when you’re actually focused on them and their visit. 3) if your parents that’s one thing, but if it’s your wife’s parents and they make her crazy, have health issues, have dumb ideas about how to parent and look after kids (see also 1)) then they can be a net negative in purely selfish terms. It might still be important to you and wife to be present and help eg when there are major medical decisions happening, but you can easily end up in a sandwich generation trap when your kids are older and you’ll find yourself ordering take out 3x a week while your wife devotes 99% of her mental energy to her sick mom or whatever. 4) there are grandparents and then there are grandparents. You have to be honest with yourselves about how much these grandparents actually want to be a meaningful presence in your kids lives as they get older or if it’s just fun at this stage when they’re cute and young, but come 5-7 years from now it will be less common that they’re offering to babysit and more common that they’re booming your/your wife’s inheritance away on cruises and euro vacations or whatever. All that said, a truly 180 set of grandparents close is worth far more than 200k a year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2Elisa#49122528) |
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Date: July 24th, 2025 7:01 PM Author: ,.,,,. If you live beachfront you'll have to pay about $5mil condo plus $3000 maintenance plus insurance to have a place that can accommodate a large family... I have a condo for $1mil and it's only 1600sqft.. 2 people max.. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5752754&forum_id=2Elisa#49128843) |