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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM Author: beady-eyed emerald locale Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#23393887) |
Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM Author: Adventurous Market just walk outside bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#48969812) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM Author: Adventurous Market (and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#48969813) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#48985020) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49064860) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2025 8:14 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49070377) |
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Date: July 8th, 2025 10:20 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49084518) |
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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:52 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49098591) |
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Date: July 14th, 2025 5:12 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49101058) |
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Date: July 16th, 2025 3:43 AM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49105012) |
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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:00 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49117359) |
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Date: July 24th, 2025 5:37 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49128622) |
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Date: July 29th, 2025 11:50 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49141968) |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 11:28 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49422254) |
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Date: November 12th, 2025 9:29 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49425035) |
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Date: November 13th, 2025 1:21 AM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49425543) |
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Date: November 13th, 2025 4:52 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49427654) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 8:27 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49436681) |
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Date: November 16th, 2025 9:03 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49436785) |
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Date: November 17th, 2025 6:11 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49439167) |
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Date: November 18th, 2025 7:01 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49441985) |
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Date: November 23rd, 2025 8:51 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49454945) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 12:36 AM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49455274) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 6:55 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49457596) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 9:29 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49458108) |
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Date: November 26th, 2025 12:15 AM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49461550) |
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Date: November 26th, 2025 4:27 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49463581) |
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Date: November 26th, 2025 10:41 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49464738) |
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Date: November 27th, 2025 5:48 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49466319) |
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Date: November 28th, 2025 12:55 AM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49467160) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 6:52 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49478445) |
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Date: December 4th, 2025 5:54 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49484240) |
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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:23 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49495268) |
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Date: December 9th, 2025 3:57 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49497250) |
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Date: December 10th, 2025 9:55 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49500993) |
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Date: December 16th, 2025 9:07 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49515504) |
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:04 AM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49518561) |
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Date: December 21st, 2025 8:59 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49529071) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2025 8:47 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49532458) |
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Date: December 29th, 2025 9:19 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49548639) |
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Date: January 20th, 2026 7:47 PM Author: Adventurous Market (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49604959) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:08 PM Author: nyuug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49838395) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:38 PM Author: nyuug (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49838453) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Sick Heaven Therapy Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence? yes |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM Author: Contagious slap-happy stage Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#48969860) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM Author: Aphrodisiac Sick Heaven Therapy (ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#48969863) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM Author: Contagious slap-happy stage They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#48969954) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM Author: Aphrodisiac Sick Heaven Therapy read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#48971066) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM Author: aromatic apoplectic tank Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49065184) |
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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM Author: Appetizing pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49098592) |
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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM Author: Violet razzle travel guidebook spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49098608) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM Author: heady jew what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#48970037) |
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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM Author: Drab volcanic crater cq (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#48970041) |
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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM Author: Underhanded floppy brunch cumskin I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#48985033) |
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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM Author: aromatic apoplectic tank teen black death survivors were the original Boomers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49065206) |
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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:10 AM Author: cerebral theatre friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49518664) |
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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM Author: disturbing dilemma i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#48997602) |
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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM Author: french vigorous dysfunction nursing home Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49065026) |
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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM Author: Motley shrine stain really depended on the country, the region, and the lord removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process |
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM Author: coiffed personal credit line center It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49421865) |
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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM Author: saffron stirring site puppy it was a nanny state. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49458174) |
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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:26 PM Author: coiffed personal credit line center Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a settled species during the most recent 5% of our time on earth. There's absolutely nothing normal (or even good) about anything we do today, unless your goal is simply to put more people on the earth's surface (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49495273) |
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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:07 AM Author: Motley shrine stain actual feudalism was probably fine and shitty in parts foursquare feudalism otoh is a lot of fun and harmless if it's not infested with faggots |
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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM Author: Nazca Redlines 13th century English peasant: 1620 chill working hours per year with your bros, downtime all winter, zero "thank" emails
you: hiting 1620 billables in July while on your "working vacation" at the beach with your kids
https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html |
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Date: April 23rd, 2026 7:17 PM Author: Nazca Redlines "Before capitalism, most people did not work very long hours at all. The tempo of life was slow, even leisurely; the pace of work relaxed. Our ancestors may not have been rich, but they had an abundance of leisure. When capitalism raised their incomes, it also took away their time." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2Elisa#49838410) |