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Here's why the libs are fucked re: economic populism
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Date: November 14th, 2024 4:24 PM Author: 45 & 47 (reap the whirlwind) Lot of chatter right now in the postmortem about why libs didn't embrace Bernie Sanders, why it's too little too late, how they lost the working class. Krystal Ball losing her mind over neolibs screwing Bernie over.
But here's the problem. Libs can't raise taxes on themselves. The exit polls are clear: under 50k>Trump, over100k>Kamala. What are they going to do, raise the minimum wage and screw over their OWN STOCK PORTFOLIOS?
Shitcons can get away with populism because they don't have anything left to give. AND they're perpetually the victim of libs schemes, they get squeezed the most and are the most responsive to the precarious rise in costs. So how in God's name are the libs going to become the party of the people when left wing populism would mean taking from rich suburban folks whose kids already can afford to go to expensive liberal arts colleges and give to... poor white people whom they despise for having the "wrong" views???
How does this work libs??? It doesn't. Scoreboard, you're porked! |
Date: November 14th, 2024 4:57 PM Author: 45 & 47 (reap the whirlwind) So say the libs back off social issues. Where do they go? Free college tuition for working class? A big tax increase to cover poor people going to state school? Is Elizabeth Warren the future? LJL libs. You have no moves on the board! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634289&forum_id=2Elisa#48338149) |
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Date: November 14th, 2024 5:03 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,..:,,:,......,;:.,.:..:.,:,::,. Politics will continue to just be a rotation between parties because Americans tire of the incumbent ruling party and bring the other party back into power. Something will go wrong over the next four years and Trump will be blamed for it fairly or unfairly. Then his heirs will have to either disavow him or lean in and get beaten like Kamala. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634289&forum_id=2Elisa#48338184) |
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Date: November 14th, 2024 5:16 PM Author: 45 & 47 (reap the whirlwind) Brilliant take. Dems offer nothing new, wait around for people to tire of Trump. Great. Great plan. Might work but you're still pieces of shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634289&forum_id=2Elisa#48338253) |
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Date: November 14th, 2024 5:08 PM Author: LathamTouchedMe "But here's the problem. Libs can't raise taxes on themselves. The exit polls are clear: under 50k>Trump, over100k>Kamala. What are they going to do, raise the minimum wage and screw over their OWN STOCK PORTFOLIOS?"
Kamala and Biden ran on tax increases, so presumably the over 100k voters voting for them are ok with that. I am one of them. As the poster above said, the economy will fuck up or not deliver and the gop will get blamed (fairly or unfairly). A two point shift in PA, and even less than that in MI and WI and Dems win the presidency and likely the House. Just the see-saw of politics. |
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Date: November 14th, 2024 5:14 PM Author: 45 & 47 (reap the whirlwind) Correct you have absolutely nothing to offer the American people and you are just hoping for a Trump fuck up or a generational talent like Obama with a rockstar personality to come along and be the next face of the franchise. Got it. You have no answers. None. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634289&forum_id=2Elisa#48338243) |
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Date: November 14th, 2024 5:22 PM Author: LathamTouchedMe lol, if anything since '08 it's been the GOP playing the defensive blaming dems for every societal issue strategy. Since then, Dems have enacted the most impactful package of domestic legislation since LBJ. What's the GOP proposed or done? A tax cut? lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634289&forum_id=2Elisa#48338284) |
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Date: November 14th, 2024 5:34 PM Author: 45 & 47 (reap the whirlwind) Which impactful ledg, the one that caused 20% inflation or the one that made healthcare too expensive for working people?
Nevermind, we will always have that federally funded footbridge in Arizona. |
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Date: November 14th, 2024 5:16 PM Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;, Newsom/Witmer ticket has potential, regardless of the issues (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634289&forum_id=2Elisa#48338252) |
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Date: November 14th, 2024 5:17 PM Author: 45 & 47 (reap the whirlwind) Right libs are back to selling the personalities. We've got great talent! Attractive people! Charisma!
You still have no winning issues. And 2024 showed a lot of people care about the issues especially when the economy is so lopsided which you have NO ANSWER FOR. |
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Date: November 14th, 2024 5:18 PM Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;, True. But say the economy doesnt recover the way we're expecting it to. Newsom just needs to campaign on "change" and people will bite (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634289&forum_id=2Elisa#48338264) |
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Date: November 14th, 2024 5:32 PM Author: 45 & 47 (reap the whirlwind) Now put the shoe on the other foot. Economy is amazing, Trump ended the wars, no dudes in women's sports, illegals deported and border secure.
Now what? What does Newsom run on? We are headed to a new golden age. |
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Date: November 14th, 2024 5:33 PM Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;, OFS. I am very optimistic about ARE future (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634289&forum_id=2Elisa#48338336) |
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Date: November 14th, 2024 5:20 PM Author: piro Newsome is Tall and Height is the supreme Nougat. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634289&forum_id=2Elisa#48338277) |
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Date: November 14th, 2024 6:00 PM Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,; This OP is reaching a reasonably correct conclusion, but for the wrong reasons (which is also why OP is blind about the obvious truth of the seesaw point). The biggest swings against the Dems were in blue cities and states on the coasts. That didn’t happen because of a lack of policies that appeal to working class voters. It happened because the superultramegalib circle jerk that spits out brilliant big blue city policies like “hey let’s treat crazy homeless people and drug addicts like Hindu cows” and “if you were the victim of a property crime just suck it up and move on with your life” and “we will not cooperate with federal immigration enforcement uh hey wait stop sending all the illegals here we can’t handle it no fair.” The issue Dems have is that these cities are their brand. It’s what all voters assume libs like and want, and many libs in fact do like and want their cities to be governed this way. But for good reason the rest of the country is like uh ok well you can give free heroin to crazy violent criminals if you want, but don’t bring that shit here. And so these dogshit city governnments have super blue electorates who get to choose between a superultramegalib and a megalib, and if anyone merely centrist tries to run they get murked immediately with something like “ohmigerd did you know that Moderate Candidate donated to Mitt Romney in 2012!??” So blue cities are stuck being shitty until they go through like 15 years of fiscal collapse and we may very well need Consuela’s cannibal rape gangs to do the needful after all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5634289&forum_id=2Elisa#48338456) |
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Date: November 14th, 2024 6:06 PM Author: 45 & 47 (reap the whirlwind) I don't think we're disagreeing. Everything you said is true. Blue city people wear their politics on their sleeve. They believe in EVERY kooky liberal shibboleth. And this was a police, roads, and firefighters election. Majority of voters said, "this sucks, I'm not buying it."
That being said assuming the left can't run on social issues to win over the center/independents/swing voters, they can't really run on economic populism either. They're in a tight spot. There's no obvious move on the board. If they go too far left on economics it would backfire which is why Berniecucks are so cucked. |