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The guy who wrote the main guitar part to ‘My Girl’ never got royalties
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Date: January 8th, 2025 2:47 PM Author: ''"'"''"" Who wrote the main guitar part to ‘My Girl’ by The Temptations?
The main guitar part for “My Girl” by The Temptations was written and performed by Robert White, a member of Motown’s legendary house band, The Funk Brothers. His iconic riff is one of the most recognizable intros in music history.
Did he receive royalties for his work on the song?
No, Robert White did not receive royalties for his work on “My Girl” or other Motown recordings. Like most session musicians at Motown during that era, White was paid a flat fee for his studio time but did not share in the royalties or songwriting credits. The royalties for “My Girl” primarily went to the songwriters Smokey Robinson and Ronald White (no relation to Robert White), who were credited for composing the song.
This lack of royalties for session musicians was a common industry practice at the time and led to financial struggles for many talented players despite their contributions to some of the most iconic music ever recorded. |
Date: January 8th, 2025 2:49 PM Author: UhOh tons of stories like this. the wrecking crew was on hundreds of top hits and never saw anything more than their hourly rate. same for the a team nashville guys. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48532333) |
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Date: January 8th, 2025 2:56 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, did you see that Muscle Shoals documentary? great film. also, this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWyUJcA8Zfo |
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Date: January 8th, 2025 3:10 PM Author: UhOh haven't seen the shoals doc, but have seen the linked one with the woman who did gimme shelter at 2am in one take while pregnant for like $50. pretty much sums it up.
this one is great too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BabX8k1myTc
the liberty devito story is lame af.
other examples are guys like josh freese and jeff pecaro playing drums on thousands of records for hire. |
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Date: January 8th, 2025 10:57 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKmGUIM1uAI (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48534257) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 12:42 AM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, that was a good film, tyft (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48534604) |
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Date: January 8th, 2025 2:57 PM Author: tentacle rape meanwhile marvin gay's greedy grandkids sue anything that sounds .001% like his music (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48532376) |
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Date: January 8th, 2025 3:00 PM Author: Metal Up Your Ass MY feel MY sound MY vibe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48532386) |
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Date: January 8th, 2025 3:08 PM Author: ''"'"''"" tbf they prevailed in their lawsuit against Robin Thicke for Blurred Lines
That Ed Sheeran shit was bullshit though |
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Date: January 8th, 2025 11:29 PM Author: jaray They were 100% right to sue Thicke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48534422) |
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Date: January 8th, 2025 11:36 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, a lot of copyright experts think that the Blurred Lines result was awful. i have no views or expertise myself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48534439) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 1:23 AM Author: MASE's Historic MPM Meltdown tp It literally comes down entirely to venue. Cmon this is a lawbort. Sad you people don't know much about torts.
Gaye lawsuit was in LA county, dumb jury, rigged Cali courts. SPS jurisprudence. It's like trying a case in Idiocracy. You just come out like President Camacho and claim a racism was performed and money printer go brrr for cslg.
Meanwhile Sheeran was able to do it in New York where whatever remains of human sanity on the East Coast was able to dig into the facts and rule on the merits. |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 8:25 AM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, i get it about the venue. the court of appeals is where sanity should have been restored.
and, technically, it wasn't a tort claim in LA County. it was a statutory claim in the Central District of California. |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 9:18 AM Author: Anti-H1B Chatblog Elects Turdskin Best Poaster (gunneratttt) also, the case is not notable because of the jury verdict, but because of the appellate court opinion. wacky jury verdicts don't change the law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48535190) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 9:50 AM Author: MASE's Historic MPM Meltdown tp Ok rate the sanity of the southern district of California appellate court (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48535273) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 9:55 AM Author: Anti-H1B Chatblog Elects Turdskin Best Poaster (gunneratttt) it's the 9th cir court of appeals. it's a federal court.
one of the least sane courts and the origin of the hawaii judge meme. i'm not versed enough in copyright to have an opinion but from what i've heard from colleagues their opinion on it is mixed. i've heard the opinion is fairly narrow. ultimately, if it didn't get appealed to SCOTUS, it's probably nbd. afaik it's not considered a circuit splitting case. |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 10:08 AM Author: MASE's Historic MPM Meltdown tp It's a tough one and I could see it going both ways. Looks like the 9th circuit upheld it predominantly on the merits. Ultimately, the two songs sound similar. It's subjective whether that violates copyright infringement. But I guess it's not some crazy decision to say look the two songs sound the same and therefore it's copyright infringement. You can disagree that they sound alike but the law isn't a radical departure here.
Pharrell's argument was that Gaye's estate tried to copyright an entire genre. But I don't think it applies here. I'm sure they didn't set out to steal Gaye's work but the end result is not song that's incredibly similar. |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 1:58 PM Author: Kenneth Play I'm ignorant of what copyright law actually says, but as a policy matter, I've got to think the better approach is to allow new art to be made unless it's such a copy of the original work that it could stand as a substitute good. So my sympathy is with Pharrell here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48536439) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 2:02 PM Author: MASE's Historic MPM Meltdown tp Agree with this. That being said it sounded a fuckton like Marvin Gaye. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48536465) |
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Date: January 8th, 2025 11:29 PM Author: jaray (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48534419) |
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Date: January 8th, 2025 11:02 PM Author: John Cocke Yeah it doesn’t usually work that way (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48534272) |
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Date: January 8th, 2025 11:04 PM Author: hank_scorpio yes it does (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48534283) |
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Date: January 8th, 2025 11:05 PM Author: John Cocke I mean the way op seems to have been expecting it worked (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48534295) |
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Date: January 8th, 2025 11:26 PM Author: hank_scorpio ok, although if he had been in the band that would have been bullshit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48534412) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 1:28 AM Author: MASE's Historic MPM Meltdown tp There is nothing immoral about paying a guy an hourly fee to be creative for work they don't own. Any one of these session players could have written and produced their own songs. No one forced them to take a salary. It's not like it was some big contractual gimmick.
What does it matter if they're in the band or not? A lot of "bands" are just touring members with the original founder/songwriter. And many use different musicians on the record. The whole idea of a band is gone. You're just a songwriter who collaborates with whomever they want and then you go on tour with some hired guns.
I could pay you hank scorpio fifty bucks to write me a guitar part that I own. What I do with it is my business. You don't have to agree to the contract but if you sign on the dotted line and take the money you no longer own whatever you created. These people don't have to take the money but they do because they don't want to cut out and be their own artist for whatever reason. |
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Date: January 8th, 2025 11:04 PM Author: hank_scorpio that's just how session work has always gone and still does, nothing special about this one (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48534280) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 1:43 AM Author: MASE's Historic MPM Meltdown tp It's all just risk/reward. Some people don't want to be partners in a firm, they'd rather get paid in cash upfront. 99% of the time what a session man makes is nearly worthless. They had no way to know that was the day they would make history. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48534720) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 1:38 AM Author: GNOME CHOMSKY Yes others have pointed out here there are probably like a hundred or more such examples where session players basically made the song with a riff.. maybe the best example is Pink Floyd's great gig in the sky from their fantastic Dark Side of the Moon album.. where a female singer was hired to come in and do something and she basically did the whole song with her voice.. basically making the song.. she finally got songwriting credit decades later (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48534707) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 1:41 AM Author: MASE's Historic MPM Meltdown tp Some chick wrote the entire rhythm guitar part to Purple Rain and never got anything for it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48534716) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 2:01 PM Author: Kenneth Play correct (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48536454) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 1:59 AM Author: cowjob Billy Corgan doesn't get royalties for Celebrity Skin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48534741) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 8:21 AM Author: Alabama Jones He’s explicitly credited on several songs, including Malibu (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48535082) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 1:03 PM Author: ''"'"''"" He got compensated with pussy for that one (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48536160) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 8:22 AM Author: Bill DaWall crazy. do you have any theories as to who was behind these types of contracts? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48535086) |
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Date: January 9th, 2025 8:33 AM Author: fire diaper (The guy who wrote the main guitar part to ‘My Girl’ and never got royalties) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5660946&forum_id=2Elisa#48535100) |