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List biggest MLB Hall of Fame snubs

Barry Bonds /thread
Fishy stage
  03/17/25
Fuck Bonds.
cobalt puppy set
  03/17/25
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vibrant cordovan milk den
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Beady-eyed address
  03/17/25
Mariano Rivera
multi-colored greedy water buffalo
  03/17/25
Kenny Lofton
salmon stead national security agency
  03/17/25
Certainly a close call. Maybe not someone who immediately co...
bipolar adventurous base mad cow disease
  03/17/25
Ryne Sandberg
Dashing mental disorder trailer park
  03/17/25
??? he was inducted two decades ago.
concupiscible tattoo preventive strike
  03/17/25
Mark Grace
Dashing mental disorder trailer park
  03/18/25
the exclusion of Lou Whitaker is a travesty.
concupiscible tattoo preventive strike
  03/17/25
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bipolar adventurous base mad cow disease
  03/17/25
good pick. generally i think outside of steroid guys, schill...
Beady-eyed address
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cobalt puppy set
  03/18/25
Where’s Whitaker? Eight Theories on a Hall of Fame Snu...
concupiscible tattoo preventive strike
  03/18/25
Obviously Pete Rose, but after that Fred McGriff
up-to-no-good area
  03/17/25
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Aromatic Telephone Box Office
  03/18/25
curt schilling
Disturbing titillating stag film
  03/17/25
Of the people not ineligible (like Rose) or semi ineligible ...
free-loading gaped garrison therapy
  03/17/25
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Spectacular chartreuse messiness mood
  03/17/25
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violent pontificating resort voyeur
  03/17/25
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outnumbered windowlicker
  03/18/25
brian roberts
chestnut institution
  03/17/25
Ichiro. A travesty that it wasn't unanimous
Fragrant massive brunch rigor
  03/17/25
Charlie O. Finley
glittery canary legend clown
  03/17/25
Not a snub per se, but there's a few guys like Johan Santana...
Arousing lavender police squad
  03/17/25
sick mike mussina burn
chestnut institution
  03/17/25
Santana feels like a HOFer for his 6-7 year peak
violent pontificating resort voyeur
  03/18/25
Certainly should've been on the ballot for more than a year
Arousing lavender police squad
  03/18/25
Feels like Jeff Kent should be in but never made it
cowardly house ratface
  03/17/25
All time HR leader among second basemen
glittery canary legend clown
  03/17/25
Tried to rise above his 2nd baseman clique with disastrous r...
Bisexual hell
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Dashing mental disorder trailer park
  03/18/25
Bert Blyleven taking 14 years
Anal generalized bond gas station
  03/17/25
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bipolar adventurous base mad cow disease
  03/18/25
Three years too long, if you ask me.
Spectacular chartreuse messiness mood
  03/18/25
Personal opinion: Rollins and Utley
Bat shit crazy cerebral jewess office
  03/18/25
put down the cheez wiz
Beady-eyed address
  03/18/25
Lol
bipolar adventurous base mad cow disease
  03/18/25
keith hernandez deserves more consideration. numbers are str...
Disturbing titillating stag film
  03/18/25
Roger Clemens
Confused location pocket flask
  03/18/25


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Date: March 17th, 2025 5:27 PM
Author: Fishy stage

Barry Bonds

/thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48756410)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 6:41 PM
Author: cobalt puppy set

Fuck Bonds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48756652)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 7:23 PM
Author: vibrant cordovan milk den



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48756788)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 8:11 PM
Author: Beady-eyed address



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48756921)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 6:40 PM
Author: multi-colored greedy water buffalo

Mariano Rivera

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48756649)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 6:41 PM
Author: salmon stead national security agency

Kenny Lofton

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48756653)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 6:45 PM
Author: bipolar adventurous base mad cow disease

Certainly a close call. Maybe not someone who immediately comes to mind as a HOFer, but way better than some of the people in there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48756664)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: Dashing mental disorder trailer park

Ryne Sandberg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48756661)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 7:23 PM
Author: concupiscible tattoo preventive strike

???

he was inducted two decades ago.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48756786)



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Date: March 18th, 2025 3:26 PM
Author: Dashing mental disorder trailer park

Mark Grace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48759091)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 7:12 PM
Author: concupiscible tattoo preventive strike

the exclusion of Lou Whitaker is a travesty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48756754)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 10:28 PM
Author: bipolar adventurous base mad cow disease



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48757360)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 10:48 PM
Author: Beady-eyed address

good pick. generally i think outside of steroid guys, schilling and pete rose the mlb hof errs on being overinclusive, but sweet lou is a rare real snub, he was great

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48757411)



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Date: March 18th, 2025 11:41 AM
Author: cobalt puppy set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48758479)



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Date: March 18th, 2025 2:25 PM
Author: concupiscible tattoo preventive strike

Where’s Whitaker? Eight Theories on a Hall of Fame Snub

by Nathan Bierma on December 8, 2017

Second baseman Lou Whitaker played 19 seasons for the Detroit Tigers, winning the Rookie of the Year Award, three Gold Gloves, four Silver Slugger Awards, and earning five All-Star selections.

If Alan Trammell is elected to the Hall of Fame by the Modern Baseball Era Committee on Sunday, it will end one Cooperstown snub but make another one seem worse. If Trammell gets a plaque, why is his double play partner Lou Whitaker—who had an essentially identical career—shut out not only from induction but from voting consideration altogether?

By the numbers, Whitaker clearly belongs in the Hall, both by traditional statistics—where he ranks among the top 10 Hall of Fame second basemen in career hits, home runs, RBIs, doubles, and runs scored—and advanced stats, where he shines in Wins Above Replacement, JAWS, and Hall Rating. Beyond the raw numbers, Whitaker is etched in our memories for playing the game of baseball with incomparable fluidity and grace.

There is no rational reason to induct Ryne Sandberg in 2005, Roberto Alomar in 2011, and Craig Biggio in 2015, while keeping Whitaker—whose numbers keep pace or surpass them—not only out of the Hall but off the ballot.

So what’s going on? I’ve seen at least eight different explanations.

To be clear up front: none of them are good enough to justify Whitaker’s exclusion, and the sheer number of theories suggests a struggle to explain the inexplicable.

1. Whitaker’s personality and relationship with the media hurt him on the ballot.

Let’s get this one out of the way first, because it may be the most influential despite being the least relevant to Whitaker’s worthiness as a player. Whitaker was withdrawn and eccentric , and was seen by the media as aloof and self-absorbed.

“He wasn’t a good quote and was not that well liked by reporters,” writes Keith Law in Smart Baseball.

Law adds that there could be a more sinister aspect to the media’s failure to warm up to Whitaker.

“Whitaker was also an African American player reaching the ballot at a time when the Hall of Fame electorate was overwhelmingly white,” Law writes. “When I reached out to several voters [recently] to ask about Whitaker’s failure on the ballot, I heard the word ‘uppity’ used to refer to his character, which unfortunately is a word only applied to people of color.”

To be clear, Law isn’t saying that white voters dislike all African American candidates, but rather that race may have worsened the writers’ reaction to Whitaker’s personality.

The fact that Trammell performed so much better with voters—he stayed on the ballot 15 years and got as high as 40% on his last writers’ ballot—reinforces all of the above suspicions.

You may have correctly observed that none of this has anything to do with actual baseball. But there’s little doubt that popularity with the media (and lack thereof) plays an outsized role in Hall of Fame voting. So this theory alone, sadly enough, may be to blame.

2. Whitaker was good or great at a lot of things without being the best at anything.

Detroit Athletic Co. blog editor Dan Holmes pointed out to me that Whitaker is one of just 26 players in major league history to finish more than 30 Runs Above Average in batting, baserunning, and fielding.

You’d think being among the most well-rounded players ever would be a good thing. But Hall of Fame voters prefer a player who was the best at something over one who was good or great at everything.

“It’s hard to remember any period when Whitaker was looked upon as the greatest second baseman of his era,” explained voter Jayson Stark in 2001. “‘Just’ a very good player.” (Unfortunately for Trammell, Stark is one of the 16 voters deciding his fate on Sunday.)

3. Whitaker had career longevity without a standout season or seasons.

Just as Whitaker had several skills without standing out for any one of them, his career consisted of many good seasons without a true breakout year. If you are “just” going to accumulate career statistics, you’re best served by reaching a traditional threshold like 3,000 hits, as Craig Biggio did. Whitaker bests Biggio in almost every aspect except that one.

“I don’t think that Craig Biggio is in the Hall of Fame if he retires with 2,700 hits,” Hall of Fame reporter Graham Womack, who supports Whitaker’s cause, told me recently. “It’s hard for guys who are seen as just statistical compilers, or who are really good for a long time but never necessarily an elite superstar.”

Jay Jaffe’s influential JAWS system bears this out. Jaffe uses three numbers: a player’s career WAR, his WAR7 (which is his WAR from his seven best seasons), and then the average of the two, which he calls JAWS. This gives you a snapshot of a player’s longevity, his peak, and then–since most Hall of Famers are stronger in one or the other–a single scale to evaluate all of them.

Whitaker soars in career WAR and JAWS, but he has a low peak: his WAR7 is below average for a Hall of Famer, and behind a lower tier of players including Ian Kinsler, Dustin Pedroia, and Chuck Knoblauch.

Whitaker’s combination of durability and productivity is still worthy of the Hall. But it’s the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Stats, so voters are often asking different questions.

4. Whitaker is an analytics-friendly candidate at the mercy of analytics-unfriendly voters.

Whitaker’s voters ask the wrong questions because they come from the wrong era. Whitaker’s one-and-done came in 2001, two years before Moneyball came out and well before analytics started nudging Hall of Fame debates.

Unfortunately, that forever put him out of reach of the writers, a voting body that in recent years has gotten younger and more analytically inclined, as seen by Tim Raines’ triumph last year. He’s stuck for life with veteran voters who are more averse to analytics.

Again, Whitaker’s career totals in traditional stats do hold up when compared with Hall of Fame second basemen. But batting .300 only twice, never hitting 30 home runs or reaching 100 RBIs in a season, and falling short of 3,000 hits are cardinal sins that Hall of Fame high priests seldom forgive.

5. Whitaker and Trammell suffered from a lack of exposure in Detroit.

“Whitaker has been hurt mainly by the times in which he played,” wrote Lynn Henning in the Detroit News. “His stage was Detroit, before all games were regularly telecasted, before ESPN and the MLB Network had either reached full flower or even been conceived. There was no Internet helping to distill numbers. No national Twitter chatter to consolidate information and brighten spotlights. The Trammell/Whitaker double-play combo played in relative darkness, at least compared with today.”

6. Whitaker and Trammell are tainted by the Tigers underachieving in the 1980s and stinking up the joint in the 1990s.

The Tigers were the second-winningest team of the 1980s, but they failed to become the dynasty they were expected to be.

“There’s a feeling that those Tigers, with [Jack] Morris, [Alan] Trammell, and Whitaker, underachieved relative to expectations,” Jaffe, author of The Cooperstown Casebook, told me recently. “They won the 1984 World Series, but they got bumped off in 1987, upset by the Twins, and they never won anything else. They’re all sort of implicated in that shortfall.”

Then, when Whitaker and Trammell came up for a vote in the early 2000s, the Tigers were coming off ten straight years of 1990s futility, a stench that stuck in voters’ nostrils.

7. Whitaker was penalized by coming up for a vote during the Steroid Era.

Whitaker’s lone appearance on the writers’ ballot came during the height of the Steroid Era, when both stars and average players were posting juiced-up stats that made Whitaker’s look light by comparison.

“Even though Whitaker’s career offensive numbers were … better than league average during his era, they looked pedestrian when compared to the video game numbers produced in the year 2000,” wrote Christopher Yheulon at Bless You Boys.

8. Whitaker was the victim of a fluke ballot in 2001.

The ballot was crowded in 2001, and every voter was banging their drum for someone else.

“If ever I’ve seen a case where every voter figured, ‘Someone else will put him on, I’ve got other fish to fry,’ that was it—a perfect storm,” Henning told Jaffe. “I’ve never seen anything so utterly flukish in Hall of Fame voting.”

The good news for Whitaker is that if Trammell does get the call on Sunday, the case for his inseparable double play partner may finally get the momentum and attention it deserves

https://www.vintagedetroit.com/wheres-whitaker-eight-theories-hall-fame-snub/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48758956)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 7:22 PM
Author: up-to-no-good area

Obviously Pete Rose, but after that Fred McGriff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48756784)



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Date: March 18th, 2025 1:18 PM
Author: Aromatic Telephone Box Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48758770)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 7:26 PM
Author: Disturbing titillating stag film

curt schilling

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48756795)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: free-loading gaped garrison therapy

Of the people not ineligible (like Rose) or semi ineligible (steroids guys) he’s the clear cut answer since it’s totally based on him saying journalists (the voting bloc!) should be hanged lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48756800)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 7:32 PM
Author: Spectacular chartreuse messiness mood



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Date: March 17th, 2025 8:10 PM
Author: violent pontificating resort voyeur



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48756918)



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Date: March 18th, 2025 11:36 AM
Author: outnumbered windowlicker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48758464)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 7:27 PM
Author: chestnut institution

brian roberts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48756797)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: Fragrant massive brunch rigor

Ichiro. A travesty that it wasn't unanimous

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48756801)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 7:41 PM
Author: glittery canary legend clown

Charlie O. Finley

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48756834)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 8:00 PM
Author: Arousing lavender police squad

Not a snub per se, but there's a few guys like Johan Santana who might make the HOF eventually even though he got just 2.4% of the vote his first year and fell off the ballot.

You had guys like Clemens, Bonds, Sheffield, Schilling and Sosa clogging up the ballot because they kept staying on but not getting elected due to steroids.

Plus other HOFers like Chipper, Vlad, Hoffman, Edgar, Mussia, Walker, Mcgriff, Wagner and Rolen and probably Andruw Jones.

I think Santana had a better career than Wagner but he fell off because you only get 10 votes and there were 15 guys ahead of him with HOF stats....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48756884)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 8:04 PM
Author: chestnut institution

sick mike mussina burn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48756898)



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Date: March 18th, 2025 10:00 AM
Author: violent pontificating resort voyeur

Santana feels like a HOFer for his 6-7 year peak

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48758294)



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Date: March 18th, 2025 7:56 PM
Author: Arousing lavender police squad

Certainly should've been on the ballot for more than a year

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48760058)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 8:02 PM
Author: cowardly house ratface

Feels like Jeff Kent should be in but never made it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48756894)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 8:06 PM
Author: glittery canary legend clown

All time HR leader among second basemen

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48756906)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 10:44 PM
Author: Bisexual hell

Tried to rise above his 2nd baseman clique with disastrous results

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRWUIVR8HJcsFHQmSs1K-vVh_h9czGI0QpTJA&s

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48757405)



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Date: March 18th, 2025 3:56 PM
Author: Dashing mental disorder trailer park



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48759162)



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Date: March 17th, 2025 11:30 PM
Author: Anal generalized bond gas station

Bert Blyleven taking 14 years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48757561)



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Date: March 18th, 2025 3:08 PM
Author: bipolar adventurous base mad cow disease



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48759050)



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Date: March 18th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: Spectacular chartreuse messiness mood

Three years too long, if you ask me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48760309)



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Date: March 18th, 2025 10:04 AM
Author: Bat shit crazy cerebral jewess office

Personal opinion: Rollins and Utley

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48758309)



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Date: March 18th, 2025 11:40 AM
Author: Beady-eyed address

put down the cheez wiz

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48758476)



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Date: March 18th, 2025 3:08 PM
Author: bipolar adventurous base mad cow disease

Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48759049)



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Date: March 18th, 2025 3:17 PM
Author: Disturbing titillating stag film

keith hernandez deserves more consideration. numbers are strong, mvp, most gold gloves ever for a 1st baseman, key member of a really good team and a ws champion. doesn't make me angry that he's out though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48759069)



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Date: March 18th, 2025 3:23 PM
Author: Confused location pocket flask

Roger Clemens

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5695579&forum_id=2Elisa#48759086)