I don't really ''get'' people who want to abolish the TSA and call it theatre
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 4:10 PM Author: spectacular pontificating brethren trust fund
cr.
if it was a ridiculous process that made you throw out water bottles and nail clippers *BUT* they did an excellent job finding weapons people would be much more tolerant. it's the fact that it's both ridiculous AND ineffective that makes it theatre.
if it was effective it wouldn't be theatre -- it would be something that works with a few overzealous policies.
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 4:23 PM Author: comical avocado parlor
I can actually credit TSA with doing me a solid. After hurricane Irma, I flew to CA and accidentally tried going through security with a magazine loaded with 15 rounds. It was a total accident: I had two mags in my backpack, but forgot about one. When I checked my backpack before heading to the airport, I found one but thought that was it. I have like 50 mags at my house (the vast majority are completely empty because I don't want to compromise the springs), but I missed this one. TSA caught it, called the cops, etc. The cop was 180 and actually let me pick it up when I returned. I was beside myself, told him to destroy it, etc. He laughed, told me to calm down, said I had a really nice mag with awesome ammo, and told me to just knock on their door because I'd be throwing away over $100. When I showed up, I told the guy I was the asshole who tried getting through security with a loaded mag, and he said "which one?" before opening up his drawer of like 50+ magazines.
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 1:38 PM Author: spectacular pontificating brethren trust fund
you dumb ass bitch, it's about balancing efficacy and efficiency. TSA tests have shown they are terrible at catching stuff. i've accidentally walked on with knives. it would be trivially easy for someone to sneak on makeshift knives like the 9/11 boxcutter bros.
a metal detector is going to weed out most people with guns and shit. everything else is not going to be detected by darnell and shaniqua processing thousands of cumskins. making grandma take off her shoes and throw away her water bottle isn't doing anything. it's an invasion of privacy and convenience that isn't justified by the increase in security, which is almost nil.
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 1:54 PM Author: Carnelian self-centered tanning salon travel guidebook
Hard to say but the overall numbers of people who hijack a plane are quite low so I could just as easily use that argument to say that it’s working.
Terrorists have largely moved on from planes to hit softer targets.
it also stops drunks and violent people from acting stupidly on the plane.
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 2:10 PM Author: spectacular pontificating brethren trust fund
of course i think i'm correct -- anyone making an unqualified assertion is doing that. but i'm not certain and am open to counter argument. the fact you're getting aggro all of a sudden tells me you don't have one though.
my argument is that because the TSA is ineffective and it's easy to sneak weapons onto a plane that the deterrent effect from them is very low. and that the reason we have seen fewer hijackings post 9/11 is because fewer people are willing to hijack a plane when it's likely the passengers will mob them.
if you disagree that's fine. this is all conjecture. neither one of us can know for certain without being able to read the minds of people that would have hijacked a plane in a pre 9/11 world.
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 3:40 PM Author: deranged nibblets den
I got screamed at for having global entry but going through the standard line.
Next time i travel i have my kids with me so i go to global entry and i'm like "Hi do i go here with our kids i'm not sure if they have global entry"
Guy acts like i'm the dumbest person on the planet and threatens to kick me out of global entry for life. I apologize and said i thought it was the same as TSA Precheck where young kids follow the parent.
"Does this look like TSA to you?" he responds.
I wanted to be like, hey ding dong, you're under the same agency and you sell and market Precheck and Global Entry as a fucking package.
Instead I just politely move through and apologize profusely. And then at the end he goes, "Btw starting in October your kids will just follow you in this line"
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 1:45 PM Author: cyan cruise ship
yes
also these things are 100% possible with whites only
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 1:49 PM Author: Fishy stain
Prior to 9/11 the conventional wisdom was just to cooperate with hijackers-- they always wanted money or to go to some other destination, they weren't in it to hurt the passengers. That's why the hijacking part of 9/11 was pretty easy.
That same trick won't work twice, if musbros try to take over a plane they'll get zerg swarmed by bobby birdshit. The correct answer after 9/11 was to do nothing except tell the passengers in the event of a hijacking to kill the musbros. Instead we spent 20 years implementing Real ID which has never done a god damn thing.
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 1:55 PM Author: spectacular pontificating brethren trust fund
cr.
there were plenty of american commercial flights hijacked by passengers before 9/11. there have been none since. the one hijacking since 9/11 was conducted by an off-duty pilot in the jump seat.
no one expected the 9/11 guys to kamikaze. if they did they would have rushed them like flight 93. anyone is going to zerg rush someone if the alternative is certain death. 9/11 only worked because something like that had never been done before. it's inconceivable it'll happen again.
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 1:55 PM Author: narrow-minded ratface
its very simple
if you have a homogenous country you don't need draconian spying laws
if you have a country like US/canada with tens of millions of mud creatures with weird views and beliefs you need draconian spying laws
its not hard
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 2:49 PM Author: Flirting Razzle-dazzle Boistinker
as another poaster pointed out, at this stage tsa is an annoyance more than anything else.
i also agree that if tsa implemented common technology and procedures across all domestic airports, it would be a far more streamlined and efficient system
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 3:46 PM Author: adulterous public bath
Muslims must ALL be exterminated. Their religion/ideology obliges them to hate us and they long to die while killing us. They cannot be changed. Their existence is simply an unacceptable risk.
Exterminating all Muslims would also reduce the world population from 8 to 6 billion people, a good thing when this group is just lethal social and political cancer anyway.
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 5:18 PM Author: spectacular pontificating brethren trust fund
GOD YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUPID!!!!
he said "signing up" meaning that someone that attempts to hijack a plane knows that the will die if successful.
this is like someone saying "a suicide bomber is signing up to die" and you piped up with "not if police catch him first!"
GOD YOU ARE SO FUCKING DUMB!!!!!!!!!
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 4:47 PM Author: buck-toothed mentally impaired regret
My wife keeps getting stuff taken away from her at airport security. Once she had pruning shears in her purse.
Historic note: until January, 1973 there was no carry on bag screening at all. When I was in college and afterward for several years you didn't need an ID and nothing was checked. On shuttle flights you just walked on and they took your money once the flight took off.
Behavior changed.
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 6:48 PM Author: shimmering provocative crackhouse ape
some observations from flying with a knife when I used to travel for work all the time.
Since I was flying all the time, I forgot to leave my knife at home one time and still had it in my pocket. Instead of just outright surrendering it, I decided to try to sneak it in. I threw it in one of the bins with my keys, wallet, phone, belt, shoes, sunglasses, etc. I got through security no problem. They didn't say a word and I was home free with my knife.
I had to fly back and did the same thing and it worked.
I thought, "wow, that's odd. I wonder how many times I could get away with this."
The next week I had to fly out again and I intentionally brought a knife with me, albeit a different one. It was a beater knife, Ontario Knife Co Rat 2 knife that was beat to hell. I'd had it for like 15+ years. Anyway, same thing. Threw it into the bin/tub thing with all my other stuff. Sure as shit, I got through security no problem.
Anyway, I did the a total of 16 times without the knife getting confiscated. On the last try, I put the knife into my carry on bag. When the small suitcase went through security, it was immediately flagged and the went through the bag and found it and confiscated it.
My running theory is that you can sneak a knife or whatever in if you want if you throw it into one of the bins that your throwing your other stuff in, like phone, spare change, wallet, keys, etc. It's not 100% gonna work every time despite my success rate, but your odds are good. I think the X-ray security operators are mostly scrutinizing bags and suitcases that go through security. They just assume that 99% of people throwing stuff into the bins and tubs are your standard phone, wallet,.keys, etc. and consequently don't even bother really looking at that stuff in the scan machine things.
I should also note that this worked for an international flight as well, there and back.
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