So that boxer isn’t even trans? WTF
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Date: August 1st, 2024 10:02 AM Author: frozen lodge
link?
he has XY chromosomes and looks like a guy
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47916854) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 12:04 PM Author: Titillating piazza
there is nothing prohibiting someone that qualifies for the special olympics to play in the olympics.
there are innumerable endocrine disorders that result in huge athletic advantages. in fact nearly every world class athlete is going to have abnormal levels.
if a woman has male levels of T and HGH because of a pituitary issue should they be allowed to play?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47921031) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 2:15 PM Author: Duck-like selfie
1. men cannot give birth
2. there are two (and only two) genders
3. the difference between "male" and "female" is hard-coded into our DNA. that is to say, if you have a Y chromosome, you are a man.
it's really not that difficult. most of us learned this shit as toddlers.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47921688) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 3:45 PM Author: Titillating piazza
i linked it in the post you're responding to. here's the relevant part to make it even easier.
"Patients: A 46,XY mother who developed as a normal woman underwent spontaneous puberty, reached menarche, menstruated regularly, experienced two unassisted pregnancies, and gave birth to a 46,XY daughter with complete gonadal dysgenesis."
it takes two seconds of googling to find instances of women with xy chromosomes that are fertile.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47922071) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 12:01 PM Author: Titillating piazza
peeface sucking the cock of a penis-having person with XX chromosomes "this isn't gay! it's a genetic woman!!"
some men with XX chromosomes can have normal size penises and get erections. some women with XY chromosomes have functioning ovaries and can give birth.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8097651/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/
sorry shitlib, a person with a vagina is a woman. but keep getting anally penetrated by "women" with fully functioning male genitals.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47921016) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 12:10 PM Author: Primrose vibrant sanctuary rigpig
i guess i havent inspected the anatomy of this particular man to the extent you have, but yes i am arguing that a man with XY chromosomes is indeed a man and agree with the boxing officials who have determined he shouldn't be allowed to beat up women for sport
you, jerk off to pictures of men in dresses
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47921058)
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 12:29 PM Author: Primrose vibrant sanctuary rigpig
sure the dude with a big chin and biceps and XY chromosomes is definitely wife material, you should marry him and have kids and be happy
whatever floats your boat pervo
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47921152)
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Date: August 1st, 2024 1:57 PM Author: Lime Low-t Regret Fanboi
These are tougher cases than Lia Thomas presents. These are true intersex issues.
Still, with XY and heightened testosterone in an inherently dangerous sport, this is an easy case.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47917781) |
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Date: August 1st, 2024 2:34 PM Author: Unhinged genital piercing foreskin
Cr.
this isn't really a trans irl man in women sports culture war thing at all like its been pitched by congrift inc.
genetic freaks and intersex have always existed. the rule should probably be they need to compete in mens. one drop rule. not fair to women.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47917942) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 4:08 PM Author: Apoplectic brunch therapy
What percentage of humans have this form of intersex?
Now consider that two of them are in the Olympics. There's your advantage. Doesn't matter if they've lost in the past. They shouldn't be competing against women.
Let's say it puts them right in the middle of the sexes in musculature development, etc. You should have to punch UP, not down. They should fight the men if they want to compete.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47922161) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2024 7:22 PM Author: Glittery center
The other women boxers put their guard up from the getgo, here's an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc6HqPbJtJA&t=934s
The Italian took a punch during the first 46 seconds and that was it. She thought her nose was broken.
Having a competitive advantage means she can hit as hard as a man. It doesn't mean she'll be able to punch every time. She has hyperandrogenism.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47925477) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 11:16 AM Author: Titillating piazza
shitcons are allergic to nuanced thinking. same as shitlibs.
gender is binary and determined by genitals and chromosomes. but when a variety of intersex conditions are revealed to them they refuse to alter their thinking. and in an incredible irony, tdnw's glitchout scrambled his brain and now he's confident that a person born with a biological vagina that was not born with any male external sex organs is a man.
tdnw shitconned himself into an extremely pro-LGBT stance.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47920761) |
Date: August 1st, 2024 4:42 PM Author: Misanthropic twinkling tattoo shitlib
I feel bad for the athletes in these cases, but its also pretty clear that if you permit this then non-intersex women need not apply.
See here there are 2 boxers with this same condition - or in the Caster Semaya days like 4 of the 8 finalists were intersex.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47918489) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 11:19 AM Author: Misanthropic twinkling tattoo shitlib
What a stupid fucking take.
There are TWO(2!) intersex people in this event, even though they make up less than 1 in 100,000 people.
Last Olympics the top 3 middle distancers on the podium were all intersex.
It obviously isnt fair and its obvious that especially in certain events, the women cannot compete against intersex (and if there wre more intersex people this would be the case in every event).
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47920779) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 11:29 AM Author: Titillating piazza
yeah, but there *aren't* more intersex people. it's a freak issue. lots of athletes have a condition or are a genetic outlier that gives them a huge advantage. should yao ming be disqualified because he has acromegaly?
every world class female athlete is going to be a genetic outlier. all world class athletes are. you can't will yourself into being the worlds best physically.
as soon as you start defining "woman" beyond "vagina: y/n?" you're opening the door to all sorts of nonsense, you fucking retard. that's the test. it's very simple. you were born with a vagina and did not receive medical interventions that gave you an unfair advantage. if a person with a vagina has unnaturally high T, or growth hormone, or whatever -- thems the brakes. any test beyond "has vagina" is going to be subjective and disqualify some XY vagina-having women. and you're going to wind up with penis-having people like spaceporn dominating women's boxing because they were born with unnaturally low T.
hth.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47920831) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 11:37 AM Author: Titillating piazza
i am more physically fit than the average man and would lose to female olympic runners in any race.
how exactly would this test work? the boxer in question has lost to other olympic women and would not beat any olympic men. but because she could beat *some* men means she can't compete as a woman? every olympic woman will be able to beat *some* men. what level of "man" must a woman be able to compete against before she cannot compete as a woman? and you're OK that this will prohibit literally every biological woman with no medical conditions from competing in women's sports?
god you're so dumb. i predict you will respond to none of these.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47920864) |
Date: August 2nd, 2024 10:17 AM Author: Titillating piazza
funny how shitcons go from "it's simple: vagina = woman, penis = man" to "actually we need DNA and endocrine tests..." when it suits them. trans culture war shit has warped a lot of brains.
intersex people are a pretty small wrinkle when it comes to gendered sports. there aren't a ton of intersex people trying to compete in women's sports. if you were born with a vagina and weren't raised as a boy with medical intervention like HRT you should be able to compete in women's sports. until the olympics are packed with imane khelifs i don't see why the rules should go beyond "do you have a biological vagina: yes or no?"
some people are too stupid to realize that as soon as you start defining gender beyond this you're letting in the camel's nose and soon the IOC and other bodies will do all sorts of shitlib black magic to redefine what it means to be a "woman."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47920496) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 11:22 AM Author: Misanthropic twinkling tattoo shitlib
Both sides are dumb here.
You don't have to be mean, but you also don't have to be an idiot.
This is just Caster Semenya 2.0. I felt for Caster Semenya when it happened to her, but also, since the controversy, "she" has went on to father children.
It should be obvious to anyone who isn't a complete moron that it isn't fair for these intersex folks to compete in women's sports - otherwise there's no point to women's sports.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47920802) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 11:53 AM Author: Titillating piazza
and she still doesn't hold the world record.
it's obvious to anyone that's actually studied intersex shit that the issue is far more nuanced than you're giving credit for. there are dozens of conditions out there that make women more masculine and men more feminine. what about a endocrine issues that produce elevated testosterone and growth hormone but the person still has XY chromosomes and a vagina? is that person "a man" because their body happens to produce male levels of hormones?
if we're going to have gendered sports there needs to be an objective test for gender. i can't think of anything better than "born with a vagina and did not receive masculinizing medical intervention." if intersex people start topping world records i'll change my mind. but intersex people have existed forever and that hasn't happened yet. a caster semenya or imane khelif here or there is a negligible outlier.
i assume you're an anti-trans person to be such a hardliner on this. which is insane because you should be *for* a gender binary and objective test for gender. as soon as you start toying with T levels and chromosomes you're endorsing a gender spectrum that will permit all sorts of shitlib nonsense.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47920959) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 3:30 PM Author: Misanthropic twinkling tattoo shitlib
You seem dense.
(i) The gender doesn't change with hormones. The gender changes with chromosomes. She's a man with male chromosomes, some of which male chromosomes are defecitive and make her appear more female.
(ii) I'm bringing up the doping scandal because you said "She didn't even have the world record." She would have the world record if not for the fact that this other obvious non-normal female holds the world record - see pic below...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47922016) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2024 3:35 PM Author: Titillating piazza
i guess we have a different perspective on what makes someone a man or a woman.
you think it's a complex analysis of hormones and chromosomes and you need to have a karyotype test performed before you can even begin to decipher what gender someone is.
i think it's based on having biological male or female genitals.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47922035) |
Date: August 2nd, 2024 10:50 AM Author: Sapphire Scourge Upon The Earth Depressive
She’s lost 9 times to other women.
I think we need to be sure this Italian chick who quit isn’t just a giant pussy.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47920632) |
Date: August 2nd, 2024 12:30 PM Author: Hyperactive lay
Egregious cheating by Algeria, and a disgrace to the Olympics.
Oh hai Italian girl athlete; we see you have trained your whole life for this moment and your fair and equal opponent is a T-Rex, his name is Cheating Piece of Shit Algeria.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47921157)
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Date: August 5th, 2024 3:28 PM Author: Sapphire Scourge Upon The Earth Depressive
Taking the IBA seriously is the first sign you know nothing about boxing.
Also the IBA never disclosed what their shady reasoning was, and all the culture war grifters online decided to round it up to “SHES A MAN BABY”
The whole thing is an embarrassing circle jerk for internet points that’s probably going to make it so this girl can’t even go back to her home country.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47931320) |
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Date: August 6th, 2024 12:18 AM Author: Titillating piazza
this thing has been much more valuable that a circlejerk. it revealed the shitcons obsessed with gender culture war bullshit to be so stupid and rigid that they shitconned themselves into believing a person born with a vagina and no male sex organs is a man man because of hormones and other chemistry.
so, i guess if a person with a vagina produces a high amount of testosterone than they're a man? and that's like 99% of the way to believing that if a woman *takes* enough testosterone they can transition to a man.
genitals don't matter! gender is more complex than that! only with a biologist and a battery of tests can we ever *really* know someone's gender!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47932926) |
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Date: August 6th, 2024 1:05 PM Author: frozen lodge
she doesn’t have a vagina, dumbass
her condition is the most common one for someone born with XY chromosomes and who has a lot of typical male attributes
the less common one is where they have XY but do not have testes and do not look like males
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47934570) |
Date: August 6th, 2024 6:43 AM Author: Adventurous trump supporter location
PS the IOC never verified that this man is a woman. They just looked at his passport. So apparently if you're born in Algeria and decide to become a faggot, they just classify you as a "woman" and list you as "female" on your passport.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47933256)
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Date: August 7th, 2024 10:49 PM Author: soul-stirring cyan locale old irish cottage
while there may be cases of someone with a Y chromosome having a vagina with working ovaries, most such cases of DSD where a Y chromosome is presnet along with phenotypical vagina -- the person usually has testes like caster semanya.
I think the presence of testes should be the determining factor regarding gender classification and not JUST a the presence of a Y Chromosome
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5568103&forum_id=2Reputation#47941371) |
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