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Anyone ever worked with former SCOTUS clerks?

Getting one to help on a case of mine that got appealed. Th...
When I grow up I want to be a pumo
  06/26/24
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When I grow up I want to be a pumo
  06/27/24
Yes. Can’t think of one that is a dud, but if he has ...
Drunkard
  06/27/24
I’ve worked with a lot of them, from Neal Katyal and P...
pwnpwnpwn
  06/27/24
Yeah, like all credentials, it’s ultimately more of a ...
the walter white of this generation (walt jr.)
  06/27/24
describe examples of the latter. also, what is it about ...
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  06/27/24
They have to ace Interviews
cowgod
  06/27/24
Just dudes you'll run into who work in unprestigious firms/o...
the walter white of this generation (walt jr.)
  06/27/24
Some of the most impressive lawyers from a legal perspective...
Drunkard
  06/27/24
and the richest ones are mediocre lawyers with great social ...
UhOh
  06/27/24
The richest ones I know were not mediocre.
Drunkard
  06/27/24
scotus clerks come recommended from feeder judges, who won't...
certain dog
  06/27/24
so, SCOTUS clerks are super smart, but also UBER gunners, wi...
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  06/27/24
at least during their clerkships. some of them chill out aft...
certain dog
  06/27/24
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certain dog
  06/27/24
Yes. Most brilliant legal mind I've ever met.
Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle
  06/27/24


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Date: June 26th, 2024 9:42 PM
Author: When I grow up I want to be a pumo

Getting one to help on a case of mine that got appealed. This guy literally might be the most prestigiously credentialed lawyer in my state. Partner at a well known firm. Tons of experience in appellate law. But will her perform? The plan is to have him consult with me behind the scenes as I go through the appellate process. Trying to keep a big case that I won from getting overturned.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5545890&forum_id=2Reputation#47781062)



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Date: June 27th, 2024 6:22 AM
Author: When I grow up I want to be a pumo



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Date: June 27th, 2024 7:13 AM
Author: Drunkard

Yes. Can’t think of one that is a dud, but if he has a lot of work might be hard to get him to focus on your case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5545890&forum_id=2Reputation#47781782)



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Date: June 27th, 2024 7:23 AM
Author: pwnpwnpwn

I’ve worked with a lot of them, from Neal Katyal and Paul Clement to partners in flyover who are the local “appellate expert.” Sometimes I have handed appeals off to them, and other times they have been shadow counsel advising on briefs. They have all been excellent appellate lawyers. I also have had them involved in my cases at the trial level where they are trying to make sure an appeal is preserved and presented in a way to maximize its odds of success. I wouldn’t say they are great experts on how to present a case to a jury, but they are all very bright and great writers and legal strategists in my experience.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5545890&forum_id=2Reputation#47781785)



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Date: June 27th, 2024 7:43 AM
Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.)

Yeah, like all credentials, it’s ultimately more of a guarantee as to the floor of competence you’re going to see than the average or ceiling. But it’s a high floor; there are no moron scotus clerks.

You also won’t see what you occasionally see with, e.g., HLS magna bros, where they have terrible judgment and interpersonal instincts that would make you assume they were morons were it not for their academic background.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5545890&forum_id=2Reputation#47781804)



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Date: June 27th, 2024 7:59 AM
Author: \'\'\"\'\'\'\"\'\'\'\"\'

describe examples of the latter.

also, what is it about the scotus clerk process that weeds those kinds of people out?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5545890&forum_id=2Reputation#47781823)



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Date: June 27th, 2024 8:04 AM
Author: cowgod (cowgod180@hotmail.com)

They have to ace Interviews

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5545890&forum_id=2Reputation#47781827)



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Date: June 27th, 2024 9:25 AM
Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.)

Just dudes you'll run into who work in unprestigious firms/offices -- which sometimes just indicates being a true-believer (if we're talking a PD) or someone with good values (if we're talking a small-town family-law shop) -- who you talk to or work with and realize that, no, this dude is a weirdo with no sense of how decisions actually get made in people's (judges', etc.) heads.

While obviously high-end, going to HLS -- and moreso if you step even one notch down, to the CLSes of the world -- is still ultimately an auto-admit if your grades and LSAT (and maybe a little bit of 'soft' shit, if we're talking HYS, that can still be gamed basically just as easily as an objective metric) are there. Like, if you're "qualified", you get accepted. That's not how jobs work; I got accepted to more prestigious firms/clerkships/gov't and rejected by less prestigious ones all the time. A lot of that is inefficiency / the private sector prioritizing stupid shit / universities obviously having more stable year-to-year "needs" (they have to fill a fixed class size, and if the economy increases or decreases the applicant-pool quality, they're just able to have a higher- or lower-LSAT class that year), but mixed in with it are genuinely individualized determinations about people's ability, judgment, etc.

EDIT: This can indeed be boiled down to "interviews and (when applicable) reputation", i.e., first- and secondhand qualitative observation, judged holistically. As an FYI, if you see an HLS magna who didn't clerk and didn't go into politics (incl. obvious pre-political setup jobs)... well, that's usually a red flag.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5545890&forum_id=2Reputation#47781962)



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Date: June 27th, 2024 9:27 AM
Author: Drunkard

Some of the most impressive lawyers from a legal perspective I have met have absolutely zero social skills.

Edit: the no clerking thing is BS. Lots of those people want to do corp work where clerking is worthless.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5545890&forum_id=2Reputation#47781970)



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Date: June 27th, 2024 9:31 AM
Author: UhOh

and the richest ones are mediocre lawyers with great social skills.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5545890&forum_id=2Reputation#47781978)



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Date: June 27th, 2024 9:34 AM
Author: Drunkard

The richest ones I know were not mediocre.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5545890&forum_id=2Reputation#47781982)



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Date: June 27th, 2024 9:33 AM
Author: certain dog (gunneratttt)

scotus clerks come recommended from feeder judges, who won't recommend them unless they are absolutely confident in their abilities. this includes interpersonal skills.

to land any decent clerkship you need some recommendations and have good grades. but professors will write anyone letters. meanwhile, the feeder judge to scotus will have worked with you very closely for some time. and their reputation is on the line.

everyone who can get a feeder judge clerkship will be incredibly smart. but they might not be super hardworking or they could be incredibly aspie. those types of people don't get a real recommendation to scotus. (kind of like a cold offer, they will write a LOR but there is a wink-and-nod aspect to clerkships where if the recommender actually thinks you're a good fit they'll call chambers and lobby for you.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5545890&forum_id=2Reputation#47781980)



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Date: June 27th, 2024 10:31 AM
Author: \'\'\"\'\'\'\"\'\'\'\"\'

so, SCOTUS clerks are super smart, but also UBER gunners, willing to work like slaves, and also good socially. do i have that right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5545890&forum_id=2Reputation#47782196)



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Date: June 27th, 2024 10:42 AM
Author: certain dog (gunneratttt)

at least during their clerkships. some of them chill out after but to get scotus you have to be uber smart, uber gunner, and work like a slave. "good socially" is relative to the pool of people who meet the other prerequisites.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5545890&forum_id=2Reputation#47782248)



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Date: June 27th, 2024 9:29 AM
Author: certain dog (gunneratttt)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5545890&forum_id=2Reputation#47781972)



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Date: June 27th, 2024 11:13 AM
Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡±)

Yes. Most brilliant legal mind I've ever met.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5545890&forum_id=2Reputation#47782357)