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do the savings in gas from an EV outweigh the electric bill?
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Date: June 20th, 2024 11:19 PM Author: dashing dilemma and eventual replacement of the battery? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5543462&forum_id=2Reputation#47765602) |
Date: June 20th, 2024 11:20 PM Author: bearded cruel-hearted puppy native batteries are typically guaranteed for the life of the car. yes, way cheaper, especially in a lib state with EV incentives. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5543462&forum_id=2Reputation#47765606) |
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Date: June 20th, 2024 11:42 PM Author: clear theater liquid oxygen No they aren't, they are typically only warranted for the lesser of 8 years or some mileage threshold (typically 100k-150k)
That ain't shit when the average car on the road is over 12 years old
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a60882953/average-age-us-cars-trucks-suvs-rises/ |
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Date: June 20th, 2024 11:44 PM Author: bearded cruel-hearted puppy native ok. guaranteed for the life of the vehicle for non-poors. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5543462&forum_id=2Reputation#47765680) |
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Date: June 20th, 2024 11:49 PM Author: Internet-worthy white jew Again, complete battery failures on a modern EV are extremely rare. It is true that EV's tend to lose range over time as the batteries degrade. That could make road trips more annoying, although it is a total non-issue for day-to-day driving. But the idea that all EV batteries will eventually need to be replaced is just scare tactics from the fossil fuel industry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5543462&forum_id=2Reputation#47765692) |
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Date: June 21st, 2024 12:23 AM Author: clear theater liquid oxygen People expect gas cars to go 20+ years and/or 200k+ miles.
These lithium batteries don't degrade linearly, they drop somewhat aggressively at the outset, then they stabilize for a long time, then they drop off a cliff and die.
None of these EVs are gonna make 20 years without a battery replacement. |
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Date: June 20th, 2024 11:21 PM Author: Seedy bright alpha yes undoubtedly. but electric vehicles tend to be more expensive so it's a wash. if your income is low enough to get the tax break then it might still be worth it though.
the drawback isn't the overall price it's the lack of convenience. |
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Date: June 20th, 2024 11:24 PM Author: dashing dilemma lack of convenience as in getting a few hundred miles per charge? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5543462&forum_id=2Reputation#47765613) |
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Date: June 20th, 2024 11:25 PM Author: Seedy bright alpha yes and the fact that in some areas chargers aren't plentiful and/or are slow.
it's fine if you have ample time and there's road stops that you can just set it charging while you eat or get coffee but some people might not have that kind of time. |
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Date: June 20th, 2024 11:37 PM Author: Internet-worthy white jew I love the way that non-EV owners have to spread nonsense in these threads. Unless you are commuting 200 miles every day, the fact that charging is "slow" is a complete non-issue. You plug in your car when you get home at night, and you have a full battery in the morning. If anything, it is more convenient than an ICE car because you never have to worry about needing to stop for gas when you are already late for work.
The only time the slower charging speeds of an EV is an issue is when you go on road trips. Modern DC fast chargers can refill a battery to around 80% in 15-20 minutes, but that's still slower than getting gas. For me and my family, it's almost entirely a non-issue. Someone always needs to pee long before my battery is depleted. And when we stop, by the time everyone pees and gets a snack, we're stopped for at least 15-20 minutes anyway. If you go on road trips regularly and you're the sort of person that wants to keep your stops as short as possible, you might find an EV to be annoying. But for 99% of the population, your rest stops might be 5-10 minutes longer during your 3-4 road trips per year. It's really not a big deal. |
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Date: June 21st, 2024 12:11 AM Author: Unhinged Stage Bbw (jewish fæces eater) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5543462&forum_id=2Reputation#47765740) |
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Date: June 21st, 2024 12:10 AM Author: Unhinged Stage Bbw (jewish fæces eater) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5543462&forum_id=2Reputation#47765739) |
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Date: June 20th, 2024 11:29 PM Author: histrionic slap-happy church The problem with EV cars is they are basically just for commutes. If you don't have a commute you don't need one. The other problem is that they are basically a second car for a singlemo or a third car for couple or a family. You go from needing 2 cars to having 3 just to have an EV. I don't see how that's good for the environment or good for the wallet. It's just another expensive toy in the driveway. |
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Date: June 20th, 2024 11:31 PM Author: dashing dilemma you can go a few hundred miles on a single charge. that covers 99% of all car trips. seems like they fit the bill fine the overwhelming amount of time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5543462&forum_id=2Reputation#47765639) |
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Date: June 20th, 2024 11:45 PM Author: Internet-worthy white jew So in other words, EV's are fine for 99% of driving but possibly suboptimal for road trips? At that point, you could just sell your ICE car and rent one for road trips and you will still almost certainly save money. And that's really only an issue if you don't have a Tesla. The Tesla supercharger network is reliable enough that road trips are fine if you don't mind slightly longer rest stops. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5543462&forum_id=2Reputation#47765684) |
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Date: June 21st, 2024 1:22 AM Author: Hyperactive pistol rehab They're fine for everything. Never going to the gas station saves you like 20X as much time even if on road trips you have to charge for 20 minutes a couple of times.
How often are people taking 3+ hour road trips? |
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Date: June 21st, 2024 1:52 AM Author: painfully honest institution For weekend trips it’s no big deal. Hotels have chargers. Parks / wineries / etc. that you might be going to have chargers. If not, there are superchargers.
The few times I’ve taken long road trips, we’ve either taken wife’s hybrid or I’ve rented a car - don’t want to put 2,000 miles on my own car anyway.
People saying that EVs work for 99% of car trips really mean 99.999%. |
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Date: June 20th, 2024 11:30 PM Author: Internet-worthy white jew My city installed a free EV charger about 300 yards from my house, so the fuel costs for my EV are $0 unless I go on a road trip. But yes, the cost of fueling an EV will be far lower than fueling an ICE car. If I were to charge at home, it would cost me about $8 to charge my battery from empty to full, which would get me about 340 miles of range. DC fast charging is more expensive, but still cheaper than gas.
Also, don't believe the anti-EV propaganda. Battery failures on modern EV's are very rare, and every EV manufacturer warranties their battery for at least 100,000 miles (and many for even longer). Nobody budgets for an engine or transmission replacement when they buy an ICE car, and both of those components are much more likely to fail than a modern EV battery. |
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Date: June 20th, 2024 11:33 PM Author: dashing dilemma good points
is tesla the king or do other manufacturers make solid EVs? |
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Date: June 20th, 2024 11:41 PM Author: Internet-worthy white jew I have only driven Tesla, but I know the Hyundai Ioniq series has gotten excellent reviews. And I'm sure there are other solid options on the market. The main reason to get a Tesla is because their fast charging network is much more reliable than anything else out there. A road trip in a non-Tesla EV can be a little exciting since there is a lack of chargers and the chargers that do exist are notoriously unreliable. That's changing rapidly as Tesla is opening their network to non-Teslas and more non-Tesla fast chargers are coming online. But Teslas are the safest bet for road trips right now, and that will probably continue to be the case for at least another few years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5543462&forum_id=2Reputation#47765672) |
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Date: June 21st, 2024 1:44 AM Author: Azure supple abode psychic ITT: Birdshit Goys debate EV costs without even mentioning they are deprived of gorgeous Chink EV's costing 10k. Imagine if they were permitted in US with no tariffs. But Goys exist for Jews so this never will happen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5543462&forum_id=2Reputation#47765855) |
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Date: June 21st, 2024 2:01 AM Author: dashing dilemma Its not the tariffs that are the problem with importing chinese trash. Tariffs are only 25% of the price or so. Its that chinese EVs lack many of the safety requirements that US regs require and they aren't street legal unless they are modified which would be expensive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5543462&forum_id=2Reputation#47765870) |
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Date: June 21st, 2024 4:03 AM Author: Azure supple abode psychic who cares, amerikkkans pretend they are "Free" then let their faggot govt of 65 IQ obese bureacrates dictate shit like this and no one furking questions anything instead u pay 3-5x more for shit that is worse. if chink cars are street legal in CHINA, which is the most successful country on earth nowadays wtf shldnt they be legal in fat retarded failing state USA?
check urself birdshit |