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Penn Suspends Amy Wax, Law Professor Accused of Making Racist Statements

The case tested the limits of academic freedom and tenure. ...
A lawyer (or lower)
  09/24/24
Penn is such a TTT
fscknut_
  09/24/24
By Vimal Patel and Stephanie Saul tp
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thought that was a joke so i scrolled back up
just be racist
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AZNgirl dating Single A player instead of Ohtani
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wow this jew bitch that has spent a lifetime smelling her ow...
jingoist
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how to write an article without once telling the reader what...
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(1) "Among allegations against her were that she had de...
sealclubber
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tyft didn't she also say that black law students at Penn ...
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"She started making national headlines in 2017, when, i...
sealclubber
  09/24/24
first, her claim is one that CRTs and progs make too. but wh...
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how is her observation any different than cum laude, magna, ...
sealclubber
  09/24/24
believe me, i'm not siding with Penn on this issue. there wa...
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don't understand your last sentence. schools identify studen...
sealclubber
  09/24/24
she said india is a shithole which is why pajeets come over ...
AZNgirl dating Single A player instead of Ohtani
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(2) is true, period there are no exceptions to an average...
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"there are no exceptions to an average." nice.
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cite that men are more knowledgeable than women? stating so...
sealclubber
  09/24/24
Amy Wax did nothing wrong
ADVANCED darkness
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NY Poast headline: WAX IS WANING
hours-hungry BILLPIG
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In a June 2023 letter to former Penn President Liz Magill, t...
David Poaster Wallace
  09/24/24
They were gonna get her eventually. Shocked it took this lon...
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Date: September 24th, 2024 7:17 AM
Author: A lawyer (or lower)

The case tested the limits of academic freedom and tenure.

The accusations against the professor, who had invited a white nationalist to her class and said that Black people and women were less intelligent, led students and others to call for her to be fired.Credit...Rachel Wisniewski for The New York Times

By Vimal Patel and Stephanie Saul

Sept. 23, 2024, 6:51 p.m. ET

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The University of Pennsylvania is suspending Amy Wax, a tenured law professor accused of making racist, sexist and homophobic remarks, for a year with half pay. It is a significant sanction but one that falls short of the firing that some students wanted.

The university issued a “public letter of reprimand” to Dr. Wax describing the terms of her suspension, which will begin in the fall of 2025 and which also includes the loss of her named chair and the loss of summer pay in perpetuity.

Disciplinary proceedings against Dr. Wax tested the tenure protections of professors and whether such protections allow them to voice opinions that many might find inappropriate or downright insulting. Many students said that they could not trust Dr. Wax to grade students without bias. But many professors — even those who found her comments profoundly racist — objected to disciplining her on the grounds of academic freedom.

Among allegations against her were that she had described some non-Western countries as “shitholes” and had said that “women, on average, are less knowledgeable than men.” She has said that Black people from the United States and people from non-Western countries feel shame for the “outsized achievements and contributions” of Western people, and has derided as unrealistic television ads depicting “Black men married to white women in an upper-class picket-fence house.”

Dr. Wax denied making some of the comments and said that others were taken out of context.

She has also invited a white nationalist, Jared Taylor, to class.

In a 12-page complaint filed in 2023, Theodore Ruger, the law school dean at the time, wrote that Dr. Wax had demonstrated “callous and flagrant disregard” for students, faculty and staff, subjecting them to “intentional and incessant racist, sexist, xenophobic and homophobic actions and statements.”

Her statements, the complaint added, “have led students and faculty to reasonably believe they will be subjected to discriminatory animus if they come into contact with her.” Mr. Ruger declined to comment on Monday.

Dr. Wax declined to comment on the decision. She has previously warned that she will sue the university if she is disciplined. A lawyer for Dr. Wax, David J. Shapiro, also declined to comment.

For several free speech groups, the case represented a threat to one of the key tenets of academic tenure — the right of faculty members to speak freely, without fear of punishment, whether in public or in the classroom.

Reacting to the suspension, Alex Morey, an official with the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, a free speech group, said that Penn’s decision “should send a chill down the spine of every faculty member, not just at Penn but at every private institution around the country.”

Ms. Morey, the group’s director of campus rights advocacy, argued that Penn had altered its customary disciplinary procedure to prosecute Dr. Wax. She added that she was gratified that Penn had not revoke Dr. Wax’s tenure, which she said was evidence of how flimsy the accusations were.

Peter Wood, president of the conservative-leaning National Association of Scholars, where Dr. Wax serves on the board, accused the university of a “serious error of judgment.”

“Professor Wax’s various statements on race, gender, ethnicity, immigration, inculturation and other matters were entirely within the zone of academic freedom,” he said, predicting that Dr. Wax would not “back down.”

A former assistant to the U.S. solicitor general, Dr. Wax argued 15 cases before the Supreme Court. Though Dr. Wax’s outspoken viewpoints have been a subject of debate for years, student demands for sanctions began in earnest in 2017, after she co-wrote an opinion article arguing that “all cultures are not equal.”

The long-running disciplinary case had gone before a faculty hearing committee. The university’s hearing board has said it does not dispute that academic freedom protects Dr. Wax’s speech, but said that she had violated “behavioral professional norms” in the way she presented her views.

The reprimand letter to Dr. Wax, dated Sept. 24 and signed by the university’s provost, John L. Jackson Jr., said that while academic freedom should be “very broad,” professors must conduct themselves “in a manner that conveys a willingness to assess all students fairly.”

It said Dr. Wax’s conduct had included making “sweeping generalizations about groups by race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation and immigration status. It also said that she had breached “the requirement that student grades be kept private by publicly speaking about the grades of law students by race, and continuing to do so even after being cautioned by the dean that it was a violation of university policy.”

The letter said that the university’s interim president, J. Larry Jameson, had confirmed the decision to suspend Dr. Wax. Because the academic year has already started, the suspension, which was first disclosed by The Philadelphia Inquirer, will not begin until next fall.

The letter also said that, in future public appearances, Dr. Wax must say that she was speaking for herself and not on behalf of the university.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5600632&forum_id=2Reputation#48125941)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 9:20 AM
Author: fscknut_

Penn is such a TTT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5600632&forum_id=2Reputation#48126124)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 9:24 AM
Author: .,.,....,.,.;,.,,,:,.,.,::,...,:,..;,..,


By Vimal Patel and Stephanie Saul tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5600632&forum_id=2Reputation#48126131)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 9:25 AM
Author: just be racist

thought that was a joke so i scrolled back up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5600632&forum_id=2Reputation#48126133)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 11:00 AM
Author: AZNgirl dating Single A player instead of Ohtani

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5600632&forum_id=2Reputation#48126401)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 9:22 AM
Author: jingoist

wow this jew bitch that has spent a lifetime smelling her own farts not having a job anymore is a huge blow to right wing politics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5600632&forum_id=2Reputation#48126126)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 9:31 AM
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how to write an article without once telling the reader what the supposedly bad statements were.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5600632&forum_id=2Reputation#48126147)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 10:28 AM
Author: sealclubber

(1) "Among allegations against her were that she had described some non-Western countries as “shitholes”

(2) and had said that “women, on average, are less knowledgeable than men.”

(3) She has said that Black people from the United States and people from non-Western countries feel shame for the “outsized achievements and contributions” of Western people,

(4) and has derided as unrealistic television ads depicting “Black men married to white women in an upper-class picket-fence house.”

Dr. Wax denied making some of the comments and said that others were taken out of context.

(5) She has also invited a white nationalist, Jared Taylor, to class."

(1) is true

(2) is probably true, but there are lots of exceptions, of course

(3) is possible, but i don't know if true

(4) is worth discussing in class. i don't think it's unrealistic, just wildly overrepresented in advertising.

(5) is a good teaching device for a law school class. see how students debate him in real time. spend the next class discussing how to better debate him.

tldr: she dindu nothin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5600632&forum_id=2Reputation#48126300)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 10:30 AM
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tyft

didn't she also say that black law students at Penn are rarely in the top 10% or 25%? to which Penn says, "the greater the truth the greater the libel."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5600632&forum_id=2Reputation#48126312)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 10:37 AM
Author: sealclubber

"She started making national headlines in 2017, when, in a column that now seems mild by standards she would later set, she and a co-author bemoaned the breakdown of “bourgeois culture.” Their claim that “all cultures are not equal” in reference to “inner-city blacks” and “some Hispanic immigrants” along with “some working-class whites” sparked a flurry of open letters, responses, and condemnation. But the controversy died down fairly quickly.

Less so with the next case, when comments Wax also made in 2017 were resurfaced, in which she said, “I don’t think I’ve ever seen a black student graduate in the top quarter of the class, and rarely, rarely, in the top half. I can think of one or two students who scored in the top half of my required first-year course.” This apparently violated Penn’s policies on the confidentiality of student grades, and Ted Ruger, the dean of Penn Law, stripped Wax of her mandatory first-year course. (Ruger also stated her claims were false.) Ruger pointedly endorsed Wax’s academic freedom and explicitly stated the punishment was for breach of student confidentiality."

how did that violate confidentiality? she said there were two exceptions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5600632&forum_id=2Reputation#48126338)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 10:56 AM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


first, her claim is one that CRTs and progs make too. but when they make the claim it's ok because it's part of a critique of law schools.

second, i suppose the best argument is that she broadly revealed the grades of nearly every black student who took her class. but if we are going to interpret the prohibition that broadly i imagine that there's a lot of statements that would have to be forbidden. for example, we'd not be able to talk about women and men have success or not in grades.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5600632&forum_id=2Reputation#48126394)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 11:06 AM
Author: sealclubber

how is her observation any different than cum laude, magna, summa observations?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5600632&forum_id=2Reputation#48126425)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 11:36 AM
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believe me, i'm not siding with Penn on this issue. there was a massive study, After the JD, that corroborated Wax on this point. but the results were so bad that no one has done a follow up study and no one wants to talk about the original study either. basically over 50% of black law students were in the bottom 10% of grades.

i suppose, though, that with the cum laude, etc., we'd imply consent of the students.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5600632&forum_id=2Reputation#48126520)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 1:41 PM
Author: sealclubber

don't understand your last sentence. schools identify students who reach the cum laude, etc levels. no consent sought or required.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5600632&forum_id=2Reputation#48127028)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 11:01 AM
Author: AZNgirl dating Single A player instead of Ohtani

she said india is a shithole which is why pajeets come over or something. we all know this is garbage cause indians invented number zero and had indus valley civ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5600632&forum_id=2Reputation#48126405)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 11:38 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


(2) is true, period

there are no exceptions to an average.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5600632&forum_id=2Reputation#48126532)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 11:39 AM
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"there are no exceptions to an average."

nice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5600632&forum_id=2Reputation#48126537)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 1:45 PM
Author: sealclubber

cite that men are more knowledgeable than women?

stating something as an average can be exceedingly misleading

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5600632&forum_id=2Reputation#48127035)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 9:34 AM
Author: ADVANCED darkness (🍑 Pronouns: Ausländer/Raus döp dödö döp)

Amy Wax did nothing wrong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5600632&forum_id=2Reputation#48126153)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 11:59 AM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5600632&forum_id=2Reputation#48126630)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 11:44 AM
Author: hours-hungry BILLPIG

NY Poast headline:

WAX IS WANING

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5600632&forum_id=2Reputation#48126556)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 12:23 PM
Author: David Poaster Wallace

In a June 2023 letter to former Penn President Liz Magill, the hearing board noted that they “do not dispute the protection” that Wax holds over her views, but said that the way she presents these views violate widely acknowledged “behavioral professional norms” when presented as “uncontroverted.”



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5600632&forum_id=2Reputation#48126716)



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Date: September 24th, 2024 12:26 PM
Author: dead link clicker

They were gonna get her eventually. Shocked it took this long

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5600632&forum_id=2Reputation#48126730)