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can someone explain Ancient Greek Theater
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:52 AM Author: yellow vigorous becky den how did it take generations to innovate from one actor on stage to two actors on stage to eventually THREE actors on stage
why did they impose such a rigid structure on what must be included in a play, how the chorus responds and at what points, the speech patterns, number of acts, types of characters, etc.?
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Date: July 5th, 2024 1:36 PM Author: yellow vigorous becky den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47812271) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:00 PM Author: flickering garnet headpube mad cow disease I studied Shakespeare in college. Are you referring to how men played female characters and whatnot? Women were not allowed to perform on stage iirc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47813751) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:03 PM Author: yellow vigorous becky den Just in general why there was so much structure around everything. Elizabethan theater is the same in a lot of ways but also more familiar because it's English and more recent. But the focus on iambic pentameter, having a set number of acts, etc.
From what I'm reading about Greek theater it's completely alien with all day performances (how?) and "satyr plays" |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:06 PM Author: Massive jew rc fail? women couldn’t perform on stage. simple as. |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:07 PM Author: yellow vigorous becky den No that makes sense. I'm talking about the plays flowing a strict format (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47813771) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:27 PM Author: brilliant water buffalo sound barrier So that no one could tamper with them. They were all based on oral tradition. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47813812) |
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Date: July 6th, 2024 6:23 PM Author: autistic casino Wrong retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47815748) |
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Date: July 6th, 2024 12:48 AM Author: Massive jew society was pretty sexist imo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47814104) |
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Date: July 6th, 2024 12:53 AM Author: azure kink-friendly home psychic the second you stop following tradition you get kike carnivals like the one u live in now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47814111) |
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Date: July 6th, 2024 11:19 AM Author: yellow vigorous becky den (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47814572) |
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Date: July 6th, 2024 6:26 PM Author: spectacular national police squad holy shit ur dum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47815761) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:01 PM Author: flickering garnet headpube mad cow disease Also iambic pentameter is a real thing and had a rhythm that serves the performance of a drama, that might explain the “rigid structure”. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47813759) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:04 PM Author: yellow vigorous becky den How does it serve the performance?
I agree that his writing flows very well when written in that format, but what other role does it play? |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:11 PM Author: flickering garnet headpube mad cow disease It’s a rhythm, like horse hooves. subtle but captures your attention. And when you suddenly drop out of iambic pentameter it calls attention to that line, which is an important tactic for engaging the audience. Imagine if a play was written in the cadence of Joe Biden or John King or your drunk uncle, no one would care because it would suck and be boring and stupid. The show Deadwood actually employs this rhythmic verse a lot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47813778) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:13 PM Author: yellow vigorous becky den Ty.
One more thing.
Can you please rank these speeches
To be or not to be Alas poor Yorick Tomorrow and tomorrow All the worlds a stage Our revels now are ended |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:16 PM Author: flickering garnet headpube mad cow disease This is just based on my personal preference but:
Alas poor Yorick
All the world’s a stage
To be or not to be
Our revels now are ended
Tomorrow and tomorrow |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:18 PM Author: yellow vigorous becky den I had Yorick as my #1 too
This painting is sick
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR8UKwbboSZpoJVIMlyR_MC6xY1r2wPyM-HIg&
Why do you put tomorrow last
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:25 PM Author: flickering garnet headpube mad cow disease Just a hasty ranking. I personally think Hamlet is far and above most of his other work. I like MacBeth but it doesn’t really have the same impact. Oddly enough one of my favorites is Titus Andronicus, considered a Lesser Work but more honest and nasty than his comedies and such, it was like that era’s equivalent of a grind house exploitation movie. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47813807) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:30 PM Author: yellow vigorous becky den Subject: cr analysis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47813820) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:28 PM Author: brilliant water buffalo sound barrier Error checking (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47813814) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:03 PM Author: ocher house Something to do before you fucked an 11-year-old boy in the anus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47813765) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:04 PM Author: yellow vigorous becky den May very well be this simple (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47813767) |
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Date: July 6th, 2024 11:30 AM Author: Filthy histrionic library sneaky criminal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47814592) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:05 PM Author: Federal fragrant theater people who are hurt my guess is that it developed out of religious rituals so the format was important (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47813768) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:07 PM Author: yellow vigorous becky den I think this is most accurate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47813772) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:29 PM Author: brilliant water buffalo sound barrier It preserved literary tradition during the 400 years Ancient Greeks went without writing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47813816) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:30 PM Author: Federal fragrant theater people who are hurt but that tradition was probably some weird Mycenean shit nobody even knows about (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47813818) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:31 PM Author: brilliant water buffalo sound barrier Like Homer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47813828) |
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Date: July 5th, 2024 10:32 PM Author: Federal fragrant theater people who are hurt older, by far (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47813829) |
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Date: July 6th, 2024 6:09 PM Author: brilliant water buffalo sound barrier Homer was preserved during the era from 1200-800BC when the Greeks had no writing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47815722) |
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Date: July 6th, 2024 6:25 PM Author: Federal fragrant theater people who are hurt 800 is still a few hundred years after the Myceneans disappeared (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47815757) |
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Date: July 6th, 2024 6:34 PM Author: brilliant water buffalo sound barrier No one is talking about "Myceneans" but you. It doesn't matter what you call these people at any given time, what matters is that they were speaking the same language and preserving the literary traditions of people who lived in that same place 400 years earlier, despite no one being able to read or write SHIT during those 400 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47815779) |
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Date: July 6th, 2024 11:57 AM Author: disturbing electric place of business meetinghouse by ancient accounts, the development was staggeringly quick. there were older ritual songs dedicated to dionysus called dithyrambs that seemed to be the archaic precursor (like what hank_scropio posited), but apparently aeschylus was the first guy to move from one separate actor to two separate actors (in the context of athenian tragic plays performed at dionysian festivals), and it was only a generation or so earlier that someone had moved from just the chorus to the chorus and a single actor -- so they could have a very basic dialogue, but the chorus could still dance around the stage as was traditional. even in aeschylus, the forms of all his extant plays are weird in terms of how you treat the chorus (i.e. the only speaker in dithyrambs), like he's still heavily playing with the form. only a generation or so later, you get sophocles and euripides, who crystalized the classic form of athenian tragedy. my hot take is that it's not a coincidence that the rapid interest in and development of these big artistic/literary phenomena coincided with athens becoming rich as hell and culturally dominant over the greek world through the persian wars. ascending empires tend to be where some of the coolest stuff is produced, and it's often quick as fuck, like tragedy. american literature already peaked and our art is shit because we're a decaying, crumbling empire, btw. enjoy our vapid, self-indulgent female novelists. |
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Date: July 6th, 2024 11:58 AM Author: yellow vigorous becky den Ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47814679) |
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Date: July 6th, 2024 1:27 PM Author: Massive jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47814979) |
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Date: July 6th, 2024 2:13 PM Author: Shimmering Motley Locale What’s your favorite Greek play, brother
Yours in Christ,
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Date: July 6th, 2024 3:34 PM Author: disturbing electric place of business meetinghouse not exactly contrarian picks, but of tragedies, aeschylus' agamemnon and euripides' bacchae; of comedies, probably the wasps (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5550778&forum_id=2Reputation#47815324) |
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Date: July 6th, 2024 6:27 PM Author: spectacular national police squad The Acharnians and Clouds
The Oresteia |