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is Greg 'The Professor' Maddux the most underrated pitcher of all time?

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Alcoholic smoky faggot firefighter state
  04/05/26
Underrated by whom? He’s revered
Electric mediation school
  04/05/26
how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?
Alcoholic smoky faggot firefighter state
  04/05/26
He's undoubtedly top 3
Pink legal warrant kitty cat
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan? Randy Johnson?
Alcoholic smoky faggot firefighter state
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind to...
Electric mediation school
  04/05/26
honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name ...
Alcoholic smoky faggot firefighter state
  04/05/26
Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order: Maddux Joh...
Pink legal warrant kitty cat
  04/05/26
cr but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or ...
Alcoholic smoky faggot firefighter state
  04/05/26
Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO
Pink legal warrant kitty cat
  04/05/26
all 3 above above ryan?
Alcoholic smoky faggot firefighter state
  04/05/26
pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete...
hot olive forum love of her life
  04/05/26
Clemens had the best career of anyone in that era if we igno...
Judas Jones
  06/04/26
Hard to say but he’s up there for sure
Electric mediation school
  04/05/26
he's def most high iq though, no?
Alcoholic smoky faggot firefighter state
  04/05/26
Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal ...
Electric mediation school
  04/05/26
the latter obv i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the ...
Alcoholic smoky faggot firefighter state
  04/05/26
Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. N...
Electric mediation school
  04/05/26
cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bob...
Alcoholic smoky faggot firefighter state
  04/05/26
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Racist Redneck from Alabama
  06/04/26
he's appropriately rated
Frisky tanning salon
  04/05/26
lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher ...
Talented wild institution
  04/05/26
Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?
Alcoholic smoky faggot firefighter state
  04/05/26
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rough-skinned stage coffee pot
  04/06/26
Pedro was better (than anyone).
erotic burgundy mood space
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Frisky tanning salon
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translucent nursing home
  04/07/26
He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys...
rebellious soul-stirring rehab national security agency
  04/05/26
Don't drop those BW3s Flamin' Dorito(TM) Hot wings on your c...
the walter white of this generation (walt jr.)
  06/04/26
Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generat...
cracking home
  04/05/26
he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smart...
Razzle Macaca Meetinghouse
  04/06/26
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Alcoholic smoky faggot firefighter state
  04/06/26
He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorr...
rough-skinned stage coffee pot
  04/06/26
yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1...
Razzle Macaca Meetinghouse
  04/06/26
Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently h...
rough-skinned stage coffee pot
  04/07/26
Oh yeah that is the relevant metric when discussing GOAT vs....
the walter white of this generation (walt jr.)
  06/04/26
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The depth of human depravity is boundless.
  06/04/26
do not google. there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or gr...
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  06/04/26
Randy Johnson Clemmons Pedro Ryan Glavine Bab...
The depth of human depravity is boundless.
  06/04/26
this career WAR. you got these right. 1. Cy Young+ (22)...
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No Goog
tokens in abundance
  06/04/26
Rivera would have had to pitch for ~40 years to get 100 WAR....
Judas Jones
  06/04/26
cr. he's in 80th place for career WAR.
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Walter Johnson Christy Mathewson Steve Carlton
&c
  06/04/26
Rank Player (yrs, age) WAR for Pitchers IP Throws 1. Cy You...
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  06/04/26
Tom Seaver and Phil Niekro have more war than Carlton? Would...
&c
  06/04/26
old timer with most of his appearances in the 1800s. still, ...
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The depth of human depravity is boundless.
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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: Alcoholic smoky faggot firefighter state



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:38 PM
Author: Electric mediation school

Underrated by whom? He’s revered

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49796396)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: Alcoholic smoky faggot firefighter state

how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: Pink legal warrant kitty cat

He's undoubtedly top 3

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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: Alcoholic smoky faggot firefighter state

Nolan Ryan?

Randy Johnson?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49796405)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: Electric mediation school

Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind too but idk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49796411)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: Alcoholic smoky faggot firefighter state

honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name a top 3-5

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49796419)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:50 PM
Author: Pink legal warrant kitty cat

Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order:

Maddux

Johnson

Martinez

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49796426)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:53 PM
Author: Alcoholic smoky faggot firefighter state

cr

but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or are they well outside top 3

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49796432)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: Pink legal warrant kitty cat

Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49796436)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: Alcoholic smoky faggot firefighter state

all 3 above above ryan?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49796437)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:59 PM
Author: hot olive forum love of her life

pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete career. however you rank they are both tier 1.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49796451)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:28 AM
Author: Judas Jones

Clemens had the best career of anyone in that era if we ignore PEDs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49914410)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:41 PM
Author: Electric mediation school

Hard to say but he’s up there for sure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49796401)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: Alcoholic smoky faggot firefighter state

he's def most high iq though, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49796407)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: Electric mediation school

Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal lives, or do you mean high IQ with respect to how he played?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49796409)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:45 PM
Author: Alcoholic smoky faggot firefighter state

the latter obv

i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the mouth level dumb irl in his off time as long as hes throwing fucking gems over the mound

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49796413)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: Electric mediation school

Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. No man is an island

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49796417)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:47 PM
Author: Alcoholic smoky faggot firefighter state

cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bobby and mazzone to get fucked a bunch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49796421)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 1:01 AM
Author: Racist Redneck from Alabama



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:57 PM
Author: Frisky tanning salon

he's appropriately rated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49796444)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: Talented wild institution

lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher of all time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49796446)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: Alcoholic smoky faggot firefighter state

Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49796448)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:04 PM
Author: rough-skinned stage coffee pot



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:27 PM
Author: erotic burgundy mood space

Pedro was better (than anyone).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49796514)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:47 PM
Author: Frisky tanning salon



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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:54 AM
Author: translucent nursing home



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:51 PM
Author: rebellious soul-stirring rehab national security agency

He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys like Trout and Ohtani

If you swapped some random cy young candidate like Bryan Woo for Maddux, he would crush it in the 90s also

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49796569)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 6:42 AM
Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.)

Don't drop those BW3s Flamin' Dorito(TM) Hot wings on your crisp new steph curry jersey, cuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49914343)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:55 PM
Author: cracking home

Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49796577)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:49 AM
Author: Razzle Macaca Meetinghouse

he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smarter than other players. perennial gold glove fielder. platonic ideal of "the professor" type who doesn't throw super hard but just outthinks the batter. also insanely low walk rate - nobody - absolutely nobody - had better control

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49797104)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:07 PM
Author: Alcoholic smoky faggot firefighter state



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Date: April 6th, 2026 2:11 PM
Author: rough-skinned stage coffee pot

He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorrectly for not having any velocity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49797984)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: Razzle Macaca Meetinghouse

yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1960 in the hall of fame that threw softer is tom glavine. only reliever is trevor hoffman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49798932)



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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:52 AM
Author: rough-skinned stage coffee pot

Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently hit a 92 mph fastball with a year of dedicated training.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49799605)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 6:44 AM
Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.)

Oh yeah that is the relevant metric when discussing GOAT vs. mere HOF mlb pitching, thanks chung li.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49914344)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:17 AM
Author: The depth of human depravity is boundless.



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:31 AM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


do not google.

there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or greater. name them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49914284)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:36 AM
Author: The depth of human depravity is boundless.

Randy Johnson

Clemmons

Pedro

Ryan

Glavine

Babe Ruth

Scherzer

Seaver

cy Young

Maddux



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49914286)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:43 AM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


this career WAR. you got these right.

1. Cy Young+ (22) 165.9 7356.0 R

3. Roger Clemens (24) 138.7 4916.2 R

7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.0 4783.0 R

8. Greg Maddux+ (23) 104.8 5008.1 R

9. Randy Johnson+ (22) 103.5 4135.1 L



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49914287)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:57 AM
Author: tokens in abundance
Subject: No Goog

Clayton Kershaw

Curt Schilling

Mariano Rivera

Bob Gibson

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49914292)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:33 AM
Author: Judas Jones

Rivera would have had to pitch for ~40 years to get 100 WAR. Relievers just don't get enough innings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49914413)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:34 AM
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cr. he's in 80th place for career WAR.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49914415)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:10 AM
Author: &c

Walter Johnson

Christy Mathewson

Steve Carlton

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49914393)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:33 AM
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Rank Player (yrs, age) WAR for Pitchers IP Throws

1. Cy Young+ (22) 165.9 7356.0 R

2. Walter Johnson+ (21) 155.4 5914.1 R

3. Roger Clemens (24) 138.7 4916.2 R

4. Kid Nichols+ (15) 119.0 5067.1 R

5. Grover Alexander+ (20) 116.9 5190.0 R

6. Lefty Grove+ (17) 113.2 3940.2 L

7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.0 4783.0 R

8. Greg Maddux+ (23) 104.8 5008.1 R

9. Randy Johnson+ (22) 103.5 4135.1 L

10. Christy Mathewson+ (17) 100.6 4788.2 R

11. Phil Niekro+ (24) 97.0 5404.0 R

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49914414)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 3:12 PM
Author: &c

Tom Seaver and Phil Niekro have more war than Carlton? Would not have guessed that

Never heard of kid nichols

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49915360)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 5:26 PM
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old timer with most of his appearances in the 1800s. still, "Nichols recorded a 27–19 win–loss record, a 2.23 earned run average (ERA) and 222 strikeouts, beginning a string of 10 consecutive seasons with 20 wins or more. Nichols also had a major league record seven 30-win seasons in this time (1891–1894, 1896–1898) with a career high of 35 in 1892." that'll give you quite a career WAR.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49915788)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 4:10 PM
Author: The depth of human depravity is boundless.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2Reputation#49915541)