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the video of jordan peterson crying over incels is surprisingly sad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1612L2FMHo figured i'd just...
honey-headed immigrant
  10/03/22
it's sick that the media and libs take this perverse joy in ...
Hairraiser well-lubricated community account parlor
  10/03/22
regardless of one's feelings about this clown in general, yo...
Navy bespoke genital piercing
  10/03/22
oh absolutely, he can't keep his house in order at all (eith...
honey-headed immigrant
  10/03/22
i don't doubt that he has good intentions (whatever this eve...
Navy bespoke genital piercing
  10/03/22
He has wrestled with and overcome the things he rails agains...
Fluffy bull headed stage
  10/03/22
yep i have done this too, and bonus - i'm not a cuck who goe...
Navy bespoke genital piercing
  10/03/22
(Low iq take)
Spectacular Pit
  10/03/22
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slate coldplay fan
  10/03/22
"be a man!" *gets thrown into dingy cell by dau...
comical rough-skinned mood national
  10/03/22
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Navy bespoke genital piercing
  10/03/22
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Exciting corner
  10/03/22
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Violent sneaky criminal factory reset button
  10/03/22
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big ceo gunner
  10/03/22
Not to mention that big scandal when he was caught at a hote...
Insanely creepy gaped school telephone
  10/03/22
It means he can relate to them because he has obviously deal...
Fluffy bull headed stage
  10/03/22
cry not manly1!!1!
Vigorous piazza
  10/03/22
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Hitler's Top Guy
  04/01/26
I don't think him crying is a product of being ground down. ...
pearly impertinent shitlib whorehouse
  10/03/22
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Snowy keepsake machete
  10/03/22
the fact is that men do not have inherent value it used t...
Snowy keepsake machete
  10/03/22
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honey-headed immigrant
  10/03/22
wow true but sad
Fluffy bull headed stage
  10/03/22
slightly more complicated than that. there was at least a p...
Talking crackhouse
  10/03/22
"Honor" for fallen soldiers was a lie sold to them...
Fluffy bull headed stage
  10/03/22
Incels Rise Up
Talking crackhouse
  10/03/22
Also don’t be fat or bald and forgodsakes don’t ...
odious nofapping lettuce
  10/03/22
If you're short and most women reject you for it then find y...
Fluffy bull headed stage
  10/03/22
"plausible pretense to dying with dignity" lmao
Snowy keepsake machete
  10/03/22
well i mean yeah when women couldn't go out and do anything ...
offensive stag film
  10/03/22
(actual poor loser)
Snowy keepsake machete
  10/03/22
Dude, WTF. Just LOL at you typing this
heady buck-toothed dilemma
  10/03/22
Sounds like a reddit poast
a lifetime spent arguing with autistic men online
  04/02/26
i enjoyed some of his expository 'lecture' videos, which i t...
Talking crackhouse
  10/03/22
he's just a fucking retard lol. don't forget his absolutely ...
Navy bespoke genital piercing
  10/03/22
i know, but people seem to direct 100x more venom at Peterso...
Talking crackhouse
  10/03/22
cr on the last point, boomers grew up in a gentler era when ...
honey-headed immigrant
  10/03/22
funnily enough, i actually think that andrew tate is a stric...
Navy bespoke genital piercing
  10/03/22
it's a weird situation. as men lose social status and wom...
Talking crackhouse
  10/03/22
very cr poast
Navy bespoke genital piercing
  10/03/22
Any woman who eagerly competes with men in (still largely) m...
odious nofapping lettuce
  10/03/22
more red pill nonsense
Snowy keepsake machete
  10/04/22
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Copper Candlestick Maker Locus
  10/04/22
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Hitler's Top Guy
  04/01/26
He has made some good points about IQ, namely that a large p...
House-broken Den
  10/03/22
“This guy Jordan Peterson is someone that legitimizes ...
offensive stag film
  10/03/22
this idea that Jordan Peterson is an "incel" and a...
a lifetime spent arguing with autistic men online
  04/02/26
nah grown men crying is uplifting, inspirational
dead titillating nowag
  10/03/22
no it's not it's an I am Spartacus moment I am also that ...
Irradiated milk persian
  10/03/22
it's still sad, but same right now, man. a lot of us (online...
honey-headed immigrant
  10/03/22
Nothing wrong with showing emotions. If you think that, you...
bat-shit-crazy concupiscible windowlicker legend
  10/03/22
Everything in moderation.
honey-headed immigrant
  10/03/22
...
Snowy keepsake machete
  10/04/22
"These are forty year-old men jerking off into bloody t...
...,.,,.....,,.,...,......,...,....,..
  04/01/26
jfc
butt cheeks of Hormuz
  04/02/26
What's wrong with jerking off into tissues
a lifetime spent arguing with autistic men online
  04/02/26
both of them seem like huge fags but caring about women you ...
Waingro
  04/02/26


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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:27 PM
Author: honey-headed immigrant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1612L2FMHo

figured i'd just laugh and conclude "lol faggot" watching it, but that poor leaf has been completely ground down.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273129)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:29 PM
Author: Hairraiser well-lubricated community account parlor

it's sick that the media and libs take this perverse joy in mocking young men

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273141)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:29 PM
Author: Navy bespoke genital piercing

regardless of one's feelings about this clown in general, you have to admit it's fucking hilarious that this guy's entire shtick is "man up and be a man" while he goes around crying in public unprompted like every other day

like lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273145)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:31 PM
Author: honey-headed immigrant

oh absolutely, he can't keep his house in order at all (either literally or metaphorically, in a psychological sense). still sad, though. you know the guy probably has patients in mind.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273155)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:39 PM
Author: Navy bespoke genital piercing

i don't doubt that he has good intentions (whatever this even means), but that's the thing: the whole reason why the world is in this shitty spot in the first place is because all of the retarded, pussified "men" with "good intentions" who have "stewarded" our society up to this point

i find it endlessly hilarious how much jordan peterson epitomizes the things he rails against

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273208)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:20 PM
Author: Fluffy bull headed stage

He has wrestled with and overcome the things he rails against. What have you accomplished? It's easy to criticize, isn't it? But as Teddy Roosevelt said, it's not the critic who counts, it's the man actually in the arena fighting and marred and muddied while you sit faceless in the crowd knowing neither victory nor defeat.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273400)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:29 PM
Author: Navy bespoke genital piercing

yep i have done this too, and bonus - i'm not a cuck who goes around telling people that jews are awesome and should be in charge and we need to Believe All Women

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273457)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:32 PM
Author: Spectacular Pit

(Low iq take)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273163)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:57 PM
Author: slate coldplay fan



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273303)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:38 PM
Author: comical rough-skinned mood national

"be a man!"

*gets thrown into dingy cell by daughter while she fucks some milk dud looking nigger*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273201)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:39 PM
Author: Navy bespoke genital piercing



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273211)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:39 PM
Author: Exciting corner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273215)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:07 PM
Author: Violent sneaky criminal factory reset button



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273342)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 7:32 PM
Author: big ceo gunner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273825)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:41 PM
Author: Insanely creepy gaped school telephone

Not to mention that big scandal when he was caught at a hotel getting turndown service.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273227)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:44 PM
Author: Fluffy bull headed stage

It means he can relate to them because he has obviously dealt with many of the same issues as them (down to the messy room in the background of certain videos) but has also obviously put his life together such that he was a tenured professor, successful clinical psychologist and author all before his mass-media blowup

The worst sort of advice comes from people for whom everything came easy and then they go "be like me and do the things that I did even though you're a loser and I'm a winner who's never had a real setback or adversity"

I like Buffett and Schwarzenegger and star athletes etc. but they have nothing, absolutely nothing to say to desperate failure-to-launch losers whereas Peterson is obviously much closer to being on their wavelength, and that's a good thing not a bad thing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273238)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 7:19 PM
Author: Vigorous piazza

cry not manly1!!1!



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273748)



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Date: April 1st, 2026 7:54 PM
Author: Hitler's Top Guy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#49787380)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:37 PM
Author: pearly impertinent shitlib whorehouse

I don't think him crying is a product of being ground down. He's gone through some bad health problems and addiction so he's probably more empathetic to suffering. It's also why he's all about the Bible recently. For him, society's callousness to the suffering of modern man is a tragedy that he feels strongly about. I'm surprised this is so hard to grasp for a board full of angry incels.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273195)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:38 PM
Author: Snowy keepsake machete



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273204)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:40 PM
Author: Snowy keepsake machete

the fact is that men do not have inherent value

it used to be 1/3 of men died in war, now 1/3 of men will die alone

thems the breaks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273218)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:40 PM
Author: honey-headed immigrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273219)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:46 PM
Author: Fluffy bull headed stage

wow true but sad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273248)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:49 PM
Author: Talking crackhouse

slightly more complicated than that.

there was at least a plausible pretense to dignity in dying in a war in a homogenous patriarchal culture.

now men are not only expendable but viciously abused and stripped of all dignity, which is politically reapportioned to idiotic womyn and minorities.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273270)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:53 PM
Author: Fluffy bull headed stage

"Honor" for fallen soldiers was a lie sold to them by elites who would never die on the front lines themselves. Now men have access to godlike technologies and comforts and all they need to do is suck it up and approach women repeatedly in bars and turn off Twitter and read great literature rather than watch Andrew Tate videos and they will be insulated and immune to the psych warfare of our era

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273287)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:54 PM
Author: Talking crackhouse

Incels Rise Up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273291)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 7:18 PM
Author: odious nofapping lettuce

Also don’t be fat or bald and forgodsakes don’t be short. Be at least 6’ but you must not be under 5’9” and if you’re 5’6” or below just killself of become a monk or something like that. Also don’t be ugly and really you should try to earn at least six figures and really anything under 500k a year should be unacceptable to you. But above all what ever you do DONT. BE. SHORT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273742)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 8:29 PM
Author: Fluffy bull headed stage

If you're short and most women reject you for it then find your looksmatch which is probably some short and ugly chick. That's a fair swap! It's weird when unattractive men think they should get women way out of their league, same as when unattractive women think same

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45274227)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:05 PM
Author: Snowy keepsake machete

"plausible pretense to dying with dignity"

lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273333)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:06 PM
Author: offensive stag film

well i mean yeah when women couldn't go out and do anything because they were hobbled by pregnancy/nursing for 20 years because half of their kids would die in infancy and they figured they needed some spares you probably could get away with being a fat bald slob. maybe get some rogaine and go to the gym and don't be a poor loser.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273339)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:25 PM
Author: Snowy keepsake machete

(actual poor loser)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273434)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:26 PM
Author: heady buck-toothed dilemma

Dude, WTF. Just LOL at you typing this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273436)



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Date: April 2nd, 2026 12:17 AM
Author: a lifetime spent arguing with autistic men online

Sounds like a reddit poast

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#49788316)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:41 PM
Author: Talking crackhouse

i enjoyed some of his expository 'lecture' videos, which i think were high quality. but i can't get over his stunningly retarded NPC political takes ('TRUMP man BAD!' 'Kavanaugh should resign and apologize to that nice and obviously sincere lady!'.

it just casts fatal doubts upon his overall judgment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273225)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:47 PM
Author: Navy bespoke genital piercing

he's just a fucking retard lol. don't forget his absolutely pathetic and embarrassing water-carrying for jewish power

i think every sane person can agree that "you're a man - act like it!" is great advice for every man. but beyond that, this guy has nothing useful to say. he really is a living breathing unironic example of the "gatekeeper" meme

i'd call him a scam artist but that seems unfair to scam artists, many of whom are very talented and work hard for a living

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273259)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:57 PM
Author: Talking crackhouse

i know, but people seem to direct 100x more venom at Peterson than they direct toward truly noxious leftoid white-genocidal 'thought leaders'. it seems unfair.

he had some interesting takes that were vaguely dissident adjacent. to the extent that he is politically obtuse, i don't think it is intentional subversion. i just think he's ultimately a blinkered Boomertard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273304)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:01 PM
Author: honey-headed immigrant

cr on the last point, boomers grew up in a gentler era when this round of subversion was just mounting and literally can't comprehend why or how the world changed, just too old

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273315)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:03 PM
Author: Navy bespoke genital piercing

funnily enough, i actually think that andrew tate is a strictly better version of jordan peterson

he runs the same "be a man" shtick, but in a more brutally honest manner, and with more detail on exactly what you should do to "be a man" other than "don't be a mopey loser"

he's also a genuine dissident and speaks out directly against many specific institutions and actors in power

"they" obviously agree with this assessment, because they pulled out all the stops to Shut It Down for him, while peterson still gets invited on globohomo "talk shows" to incoherently babble and break down crying for no apparent reason

(FYI, it's funny because andrew tate pumped and dumped jordan peterson's retarded sociopathic slut daughter)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273330)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:22 PM
Author: Talking crackhouse

it's a weird situation.

as men lose social status and women gain (pseudo)-status, professionally and economically, the premium placed on indicators of coarse forms of masculinity (sheer size, height, dominance, low-grade abusiveness e.g. 'negging', sociopathy) increases.

100 years ago, under a patriarchal organization of society in which women were firmly subordinated in every sense, someone who followed Peterson's model of masculinity would have been invested with more status, and someone like Tate would have been seen as beyond the pale, a brute.

gentility and masculine status could coexist then, because men had monopolies on all forms of social status (College Professorships, etc), and that status could be transmuted into 'masculinity'. now, women essentially dominate many of the professions (artificially), so these forms of status have lost their ability to confer masculinity.

the only forms of masculine status that are still monopolized by males involve the raw attributes of manhood previously mentioned -- physical power, testosterone, violent aggression, etc. so these have become the only things that women value in men, because they are the things that remain out of reach to the ongoing process of political reapportionment of male status (professional/economic/cultural) unto womyn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273412)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:31 PM
Author: Navy bespoke genital piercing

very cr poast

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273466)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 7:30 PM
Author: odious nofapping lettuce

Any woman who eagerly competes with men in (still largely) male dominated spheres and professions should and almost always is shunned by straight men as a potential mate. The guys that don’t shun these women are typically betas who eventually get divorcepwn3d. In that sense women who take these spots away from the lower performing cohort of men are socially valuable as a restriction on the further propagation of mediocre genes by mediocre men. The problem is not that mediocre men can’t reproduce. It’s 1) that mediocre men have adopted womanly habits of being overselective and irrationally entitled about their ability to attract a higher value mate than they likely deserve (caused by mass media and porn primarily), and 2) we don’t have and desperately need a policy program to prevent low value men and women from reproducing. The most important thing we can do is to convince low iq residents that kids are a hassle and annoying and too much work and then offer them cash incentives for sterilization. We should pay on a sliding scale of an extra 10k for every IQ point below 90.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273809)



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Date: October 4th, 2022 11:18 AM
Author: Snowy keepsake machete

more red pill nonsense

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45277191)



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Date: October 4th, 2022 2:25 AM
Author: Copper Candlestick Maker Locus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45275923)



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Date: April 1st, 2026 7:55 PM
Author: Hitler's Top Guy



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#49787388)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:00 PM
Author: House-broken Den

He has made some good points about IQ, namely that a large percentage of the population is too stupid to be of use for even menial labor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273311)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:48 PM
Author: offensive stag film

“This guy Jordan Peterson is someone that legitimizes certain aspects of [the incel] movement because he’s a former professor, he’s an author, he wears a suit, so they feel like this is a real philosophy that should be taken seriously,” the film director said.

devastating

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273265)



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Date: April 2nd, 2026 12:34 AM
Author: a lifetime spent arguing with autistic men online

this idea that Jordan Peterson is an "incel" and a thought leader for "incels" is such bottom of the barrel lib flame. It's something you see floating around on reddit a lot of the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#49788335)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:50 PM
Author: dead titillating nowag

nah grown men crying is uplifting, inspirational

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45273272)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 8:05 PM
Author: Irradiated milk persian

no it's not it's an I am Spartacus moment

I am also that disaffected "young" fella who could use an encouraring word :'(

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45274029)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 8:10 PM
Author: honey-headed immigrant

it's still sad, but same right now, man. a lot of us (online men) are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45274083)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 9:23 PM
Author: bat-shit-crazy concupiscible windowlicker legend

Nothing wrong with showing emotions. If you think that, you have the issue; not Jordan Peterson.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45274584)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 9:30 PM
Author: honey-headed immigrant

Everything in moderation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45274622)



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Date: October 4th, 2022 11:17 AM
Author: Snowy keepsake machete



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#45277187)



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Date: April 1st, 2026 11:24 PM
Author: ...,.,,.....,,.,...,......,...,....,..


"These are forty year-old men jerking off into bloody tissues. That's no joke, bucko."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#49788215)



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Date: April 2nd, 2026 12:23 AM
Author: butt cheeks of Hormuz (✅🍑)

jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#49788323)



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Date: April 2nd, 2026 12:35 AM
Author: a lifetime spent arguing with autistic men online

What's wrong with jerking off into tissues

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#49788336)



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Date: April 2nd, 2026 12:25 AM
Author: Waingro

both of them seem like huge fags but caring about women you arent related to/married to over 25 or so makes you an even bigger faggot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2Reputation#49788328)