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Normal to prefer masturbation over sex with wife?

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olive step-uncle's house persian
  05/20/22
in my older age I can’t stand the feeling of an orgasm...
Citrine hilarious mad cow disease
  05/20/22
Jfc
translucent thriller stag film
  05/21/22
I've gone thru periods like this but only v there is some we...
Walnut Swashbuckling Generalized Bond
  05/20/22
That’s pretty mainstream now
Citrine hilarious mad cow disease
  05/20/22
other than those periods, youre cool with just fuckin the sa...
olive step-uncle's house persian
  05/20/22
Link?
translucent thriller stag film
  05/21/22
Describe your wife’s appearance and the tightness of h...
Boyish swollen base turdskin
  05/20/22
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Frozen skinny woman death wish
  05/20/22
no
Lascivious coral sanctuary internal respiration
  05/20/22
i'm like this, my wife too. it's just so much easier.
doobsian amber box office
  05/20/22
Its just understood and theres no resentment? What your wife...
olive step-uncle's house persian
  05/20/22
i think she wishes we had sex more often but she accepts tha...
doobsian amber box office
  05/20/22
so its more on your end and she does it as a response to you...
olive step-uncle's house persian
  05/20/22
yeah that's fair. i have no interest in fucking her.
doobsian amber box office
  05/20/22
is she overweight? age?
Lascivious coral sanctuary internal respiration
  05/20/22
nah she's still pretty thin, not super fit like when we met ...
doobsian amber box office
  05/20/22
i've been with my wife for 12 years, married to her for 7 ye...
Lascivious coral sanctuary internal respiration
  05/20/22
good for you two.
doobsian amber box office
  05/20/22
Bad for me, bc I get turned down for sex a couple days a wee...
Lascivious coral sanctuary internal respiration
  05/20/22
2-4x is really not bad though IMO. Look around on XO - tons...
Duck-like copper set
  05/20/22
Yeah i dont think its about objective physical attractivenes...
olive step-uncle's house persian
  05/20/22
yeah i mean if some hot new slut came into my life i'd be fu...
doobsian amber box office
  05/20/22
Life is miserable isn’t it
Cyan national twinkling uncleanness
  05/20/22
for the most part.
doobsian amber box office
  05/20/22
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Monikor
  08/26/26
COVID killed it for sure. You can't be around someone nearly...
Electric gaping
  05/20/22
my wife and i both worked from home for about 15 months duri...
Lascivious coral sanctuary internal respiration
  05/20/22
*2 years of marriage
Puce locale double fault
  05/21/22
rare honesty
Chartreuse love of her life
  05/20/22
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Appetizing Church
  05/20/22
you are a slave, a perfect subject for Zuck's "metavers...
avocado zombie-like office mother
  05/20/22
oh ok *gets dick hard to fuck aging woman who just griped...
olive step-uncle's house persian
  05/20/22
(*gets dick hard for digital image of woman he will never to...
avocado zombie-like office mother
  05/20/22
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Chartreuse love of her life
  05/20/22
Women view sex as a “give” and they want to take...
Peach institution multi-billionaire
  05/20/22
not all relationships degrade into transactionalism
avocado zombie-like office mother
  05/20/22
Go get married and report back after a couple years, sucker
Peach institution multi-billionaire
  05/20/22
I've been married well over a decade
avocado zombie-like office mother
  05/20/22
And how often do you have sex? You’re trying to argue...
Peach institution multi-billionaire
  05/20/22
frequently & yes. presumably you were in a relationsh...
avocado zombie-like office mother
  05/20/22
xo posters are betabucks losers that women only fuck for res...
Dull slippery weed whacker
  05/20/22
Relationships are not the same as marriage & you’r...
Peach institution multi-billionaire
  05/20/22
why would I lie to you? what have I ever done on XO that wou...
avocado zombie-like office mother
  05/20/22
lol cmon man
olive step-uncle's house persian
  05/20/22
You’re pumo scum you tell me
Peach institution multi-billionaire
  05/20/22
pumanimals are not pumos, come on
avocado zombie-like office mother
  05/20/22
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embarrassed to the bone vigorous state
  05/20/22
So, you need to understand where xo Melvins are comimg from....
embarrassed to the bone vigorous state
  05/20/22
well this response for one
Chartreuse love of her life
  05/20/22
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olive step-uncle's house persian
  05/20/22
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Peach institution multi-billionaire
  05/20/22
I'm genuinely confused, it's not like I have some history on...
avocado zombie-like office mother
  05/20/22
who cares about your "history," its about the shit...
olive step-uncle's house persian
  05/20/22
what did he say, that frequent sex with a wife is possible? ...
Lascivious coral sanctuary internal respiration
  05/20/22
OP isnt about whether you can "possibly" fuck your...
olive step-uncle's house persian
  05/20/22
idgi. i am in the same boat as pumanimal. i know from exper...
Lascivious coral sanctuary internal respiration
  05/20/22
would you say its normal to prefer that over masturbation? ...
olive step-uncle's house persian
  05/20/22
yes, i think it's normal. by 'possible' i mean that i pr...
Lascivious coral sanctuary internal respiration
  05/20/22
fair
olive step-uncle's house persian
  05/20/22
if you think what I'm saying is so obviously untrue, I feel ...
avocado zombie-like office mother
  05/20/22
When i need it to be fast, absolutely. But if i have 30 minu...
embarrassed to the bone vigorous state
  05/20/22
I look forward to masturbating later while I'm having sex wi...
Spectacular unholy immigrant
  05/21/22
you sound like a bitch boi
Godawful lake clown legend
  05/21/22
100% true for me. My wife is old and overweight and insists ...
Fighting brilliant house corn cake
  05/21/22
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olive step-uncle's house persian
  05/21/22
and cheat when I can tp
lfo
  08/26/26
I dont even feel like fumming but my body forces me to like ...
coalition of rabbis
  08/26/26


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Date: May 20th, 2022 8:44 AM
Author: olive step-uncle's house persian



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543233)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 8:45 AM
Author: Citrine hilarious mad cow disease

in my older age I can’t stand the feeling of an orgasm. too intense. It just irritates me and puts me in a shitty mood

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543235)



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Date: May 21st, 2022 9:33 PM
Author: translucent thriller stag film

Jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44551901)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 8:45 AM
Author: Walnut Swashbuckling Generalized Bond

I've gone thru periods like this but only v there is some weird fetish that appealed to me. For a few weeks, I was really into chicks high on meth having sex. I know, sick fuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543237)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 8:46 AM
Author: Citrine hilarious mad cow disease

That’s pretty mainstream now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543242)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 10:53 AM
Author: olive step-uncle's house persian

other than those periods, youre cool with just fuckin the same woman over the visual stimulation of a wider range of chicks?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543679)



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Date: May 21st, 2022 9:34 PM
Author: translucent thriller stag film

Link?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44551907)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 8:48 AM
Author: Boyish swollen base turdskin

Describe your wife’s appearance and the tightness of her puss

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543244)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 10:55 AM
Author: Frozen skinny woman death wish



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543693)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 10:55 AM
Author: Lascivious coral sanctuary internal respiration

no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543698)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:02 AM
Author: doobsian amber box office

i'm like this, my wife too. it's just so much easier.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543739)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:04 AM
Author: olive step-uncle's house persian

Its just understood and theres no resentment? What your wife fantasize about?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543750)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:06 AM
Author: doobsian amber box office

i think she wishes we had sex more often but she accepts that it's a normal part of marriage. none of her friends fuck their spouses anymore either. and even when we do it's kind of comical, like, what the fuck are we doing we feel like siblings?

i don't know what she fantasizes about but she watches porn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543759)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:10 AM
Author: olive step-uncle's house persian

so its more on your end and she does it as a response to your lack of drive?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543778)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:24 AM
Author: doobsian amber box office

yeah that's fair. i have no interest in fucking her.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543844)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:32 AM
Author: Lascivious coral sanctuary internal respiration

is she overweight? age?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543883)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:35 AM
Author: doobsian amber box office

nah she's still pretty thin, not super fit like when we met but not fat at all. we've just fought so much over the years that i don't have any desire for her anymore. she feels more like a roommate that i have to constantly negotiate with. also maybe some of it is due to COVID and spending literally 24/7 together for 2 years. we're 40.

but again, it's totally normal not to fuck anymore after 10 years of marriage. hell most people stop after 3 or 4 years. it just gets old man and familiarity breeds contempt.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543899)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:43 AM
Author: Lascivious coral sanctuary internal respiration

i've been with my wife for 12 years, married to her for 7 years and i still want to fuck her daily. in practice we only manage 2-4 times per week, largely bc her sex drive is less than mine and life isn't easy with two kids.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543956)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:48 AM
Author: doobsian amber box office

good for you two.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544022)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 12:04 PM
Author: Lascivious coral sanctuary internal respiration

Bad for me, bc I get turned down for sex a couple days a week

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544124)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 3:09 PM
Author: Duck-like copper set

2-4x is really not bad though IMO. Look around on XO - tons of these guys' wives won't fuck them at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44545213)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:43 AM
Author: olive step-uncle's house persian

Yeah i dont think its about objective physical attractiveness. Just arguing and hashing out all the real life shit doesn't do anything to increase sexual desire compared to some hot chick whose psychological hangups you know nothing about lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543961)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:48 AM
Author: doobsian amber box office

yeah i mean if some hot new slut came into my life i'd be fucking her several times a day, but eventually we'd get to the same point. it's all so tiresome.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544016)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:54 AM
Author: Cyan national twinkling uncleanness

Life is miserable isn’t it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544062)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:55 AM
Author: doobsian amber box office

for the most part.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544063)



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Date: August 26th, 2026 9:52 AM
Author: Monikor



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#50093926)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 12:17 PM
Author: Electric gaping

COVID killed it for sure. You can't be around someone nearly 24/7 and keep a spark going. You just become roommates or siblings. She's been sick this week, so we've started sleeping in different rooms and it's been 180. I feel great when I wake up in the morning.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544182)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 3:05 PM
Author: Lascivious coral sanctuary internal respiration

my wife and i both worked from home for about 15 months during COVID. but yeah, we sleep in separate rooms at least 3 or 4 times a month and it helped.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44545191)



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Date: May 21st, 2022 9:28 PM
Author: Puce locale double fault

*2 years of marriage

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44551859)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:34 AM
Author: Chartreuse love of her life

rare honesty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543890)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 1:52 PM
Author: Appetizing Church



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544744)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:14 AM
Author: avocado zombie-like office mother

you are a slave, a perfect subject for Zuck's "metaverse," a terminal faggot who prefers the simulacrum to the real

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543794)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:22 AM
Author: olive step-uncle's house persian

oh ok

*gets dick hard to fuck aging woman who just griped about the work entailed in raising 2 kids, bitched about her coworkers, and detailed the intricacies of properly loading the dishwasher*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543836)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:24 AM
Author: avocado zombie-like office mother

(*gets dick hard for digital image of woman he will never touch tenderly penetrated by two dicks he begins to secretly wish were inside him*)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543848)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:34 AM
Author: Chartreuse love of her life



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543894)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:24 AM
Author: Peach institution multi-billionaire

Women view sex as a “give” and they want to take from you after it

That’s why it’s not worth it half the time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543845)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:28 AM
Author: avocado zombie-like office mother

not all relationships degrade into transactionalism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543864)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:30 AM
Author: Peach institution multi-billionaire

Go get married and report back after a couple years, sucker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543875)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:39 AM
Author: avocado zombie-like office mother

I've been married well over a decade

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543932)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:40 AM
Author: Peach institution multi-billionaire

And how often do you have sex? You’re trying to argue with a straight face she doesn’t use sex to extract resources?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44543938)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:49 AM
Author: avocado zombie-like office mother

frequently & yes.

presumably you were in a relationship where this *didn't* happen at some point, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544027)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:50 AM
Author: Dull slippery weed whacker

xo posters are betabucks losers that women only fuck for resources.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544035)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:51 AM
Author: Peach institution multi-billionaire

Relationships are not the same as marriage & you’re a liar, hth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544042)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:53 AM
Author: avocado zombie-like office mother

why would I lie to you? what have I ever done on XO that would make me come off as a liar. please tell me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544055)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:57 AM
Author: olive step-uncle's house persian

lol cmon man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544083)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 11:58 AM
Author: Peach institution multi-billionaire

You’re pumo scum you tell me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544088)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 12:01 PM
Author: avocado zombie-like office mother

pumanimals are not pumos, come on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544107)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 12:05 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone vigorous state



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544128)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 2:18 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone vigorous state

So, you need to understand where xo Melvins are comimg from. They don't choose women based on being a good fit. In fact, they think the women who are like them (intelligent and disinterested in getting dolled up) are the bane of this world. So, instead they date whores. Since they never even attempt to have a real relationship, it's transactional. And since they are so repulsive, the women constantly feel like they've been screwed in this deal, and get more bitter and angry and exploitative of their pathetic excuse of a husband.

Don't feel bad that these people can't understand our lives.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544916)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 12:00 PM
Author: Chartreuse love of her life

well this response for one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544097)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 12:01 PM
Author: olive step-uncle's house persian



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544103)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 12:01 PM
Author: Peach institution multi-billionaire



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544105)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 12:03 PM
Author: avocado zombie-like office mother

I'm genuinely confused, it's not like I have some history on the boart of being a braggart, then I could understand.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544120)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 12:06 PM
Author: olive step-uncle's house persian

who cares about your "history," its about the shit youre saying

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544134)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 12:09 PM
Author: Lascivious coral sanctuary internal respiration

what did he say, that frequent sex with a wife is possible? depends how you define frequent, but multiple times per week is certainly possible even after years of marriage

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544146)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 12:15 PM
Author: olive step-uncle's house persian

OP isnt about whether you can "possibly" fuck your wife a couple times a week

question is about preference

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544174)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 12:18 PM
Author: Lascivious coral sanctuary internal respiration

idgi. i am in the same boat as pumanimal. i know from experience it's possible to prefer and engage in frequent sex with your wife after years of marriage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544188)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 12:20 PM
Author: olive step-uncle's house persian

would you say its normal to prefer that over masturbation?

dont know where "possible" became the standard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544205)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 12:23 PM
Author: Lascivious coral sanctuary internal respiration

yes, i think it's normal.

by 'possible' i mean that i prefer sex with my wife over masturbation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544220)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 12:27 PM
Author: olive step-uncle's house persian

fair

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544237)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 12:16 PM
Author: avocado zombie-like office mother

if you think what I'm saying is so obviously untrue, I feel sorry for you, and will say a prayer for you, pumo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544175)



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Date: May 20th, 2022 2:19 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone vigorous state

When i need it to be fast, absolutely. But if i have 30 minutes to spare, i like going to pound town

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44544919)



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Date: May 21st, 2022 4:28 AM
Author: Spectacular unholy immigrant

I look forward to masturbating later while I'm having sex with my wife

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44548580)



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Date: May 21st, 2022 10:00 PM
Author: Godawful lake clown legend

you sound like a bitch boi

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5113178&forum_id=2Reputation#44552039)



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Date: May 21st, 2022 9:41 PM
Author: Fighting brilliant house corn cake

100% true for me. My wife is old and overweight and insists that I finger her for like an hour before I can go inside. It's just not worth that much work for low-quality sex. I'd rather just quickly jack off before bed and cheat when I can.

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Date: May 21st, 2022 9:55 PM
Author: olive step-uncle's house persian



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Date: August 26th, 2026 9:52 AM
Author: lfo

and cheat when I can tp

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Date: August 26th, 2026 9:54 AM
Author: coalition of rabbis

I dont even feel like fumming but my body forces me to like eating or breathing

Def don't want sex anymore

Barely can even get hard for wife

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