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The Ka-52 is just butchering Ukrainian armor. It's wrecking Leopards no problem

Glad it's getting noticed. The helicopter is a badass. Somet...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/09/23
stinger dat bitch
Sooty Stirring Area Kitty Cat
  06/09/23
Good luck hitting either of the engines bro. It's clearly in...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/09/23
Hahols wasted 25000 Stingers. Nato has like zero left.
arousing gaping
  06/09/23
cr a lot of these have been shot down (SUPPOSEDLY) but a lot...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/09/23
My other thread on this bird http://www.xoxohth.com/threa...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/09/23
Actual pic I took of what I'm told was America's boldest exp...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/09/23
This is some bullshit AI generated video, but just imagine y...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/09/23
V-280 engine placement for comparison. https://i.ytimg.co...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/19/23
imgur backup in case Bell sends takedown notices to everyone...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  09/17/24
It's Desert Shield 2.0 https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/sta...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/09/23
I find it fascinating that Russiacucks take everything that ...
erotic liquid oxygen karate
  06/09/23
You think Russia can deliver that precision at that range wi...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/09/23
It's actually interesting how little propaganda there is abo...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/09/23
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Magenta Hot Resort
  06/09/23
Latest version Kopoholovotrov EK-6 missile with Prynsk warhe...
House-broken stead
  06/09/23
Coaxial rotors. America can't do those. Supposedly they are ...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/10/23
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unhinged bateful blood rage
  06/10/23
i still have a soft spot for pgtya poasting
Hyperventilating heaven twinkling uncleanness
  06/10/23
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supple sepia principal's office internal respiration
  06/16/23
Let's look at loser America's efforts to make coaxial rotors...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/10/23
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-69 Number buil...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/10/23
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle%27s_Perch Number bu...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/10/23
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrodyne_QH-50_DASH Numbe...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/10/23
we were a country once Gyrodyne Company of America, Inc. ...
Magenta Hot Resort
  06/10/23
Lmao wtf
rusted sex offender
  06/10/23
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Hyperventilating heaven twinkling uncleanness
  06/10/23
LMFAO this is Sikorsky's answer. It still has a tail rotor: ...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/10/23
WTF is there no swash plate? Did American inventors design t...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  12/01/23
Update: https://twitter.com/AllenNext/status/166747792139...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/10/23
Ukrainecucks LIED and claimed this one was downed with MANPA...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/10/23
These bros sound like they're sitting in an office park whil...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/10/23
PS Ukrainecucks the Abrams wouldn't have shown up hot like t...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  04/16/24
Russia is going to slaughter all Ukrops and then proceed to ...
arousing gaping
  06/10/23
My god, could an engine be easier to target? Russian engines...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/10/23
Russian Military Changes Tactics To Prevent Its Ka-52 Alliga...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/10/23
Apparently these have been considered high value targets for...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/10/23
They were getting raped till Russia stole US Army tactics: ...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/10/23
https://i.ibb.co/WP4DC2L/prober.jpg
khaki queen of the night
  06/10/23
"Say hello to Allah" https://youtu.be/fUHMnEWet...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/10/23
Notice how the hellfires come down perpendicular. Made speci...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/16/23
"Lack of air support" is their code for referring ...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/10/23
story makes no sense as everyone knows Zaluzhny is dead
Magenta Hot Resort
  06/11/23
This reporting doesn't claim he made those comments recently...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/11/23
Moving target this time: https://twitter.com/GammonBadge/...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/11/23
https://www.newsweek.com/how-russias-ka-52-hokum-attack-heli...
plum native pocket flask
  06/11/23
lololol this is what NATO has been saying for the last six m...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/11/23
This bro says Russian fortification are 10km behind the fron...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/11/23
Iraq, 1991. Highway of death. One helicopter costs less than...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/11/23
Trump Did Nothing Wrong said Ukraine was getting FOUR APACHE...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/11/23
Some of these were just plain obliterated. Tweet says "...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/11/23
Look at this trolling. "After a day of fixing and adjus...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/11/23
Comments are 180. Ukrainecucks were laughing and making fun ...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/11/23
*Someone asked on the previous thread if the allies have opt...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/11/23
Vremevsky direction. June 11. This time, the Ka-52 worked no...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/11/23
Ukrainecucks jizzing over ONE being taken out after 4 days a...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/12/23
Russia seems to confirm. Says it was taken down with MANPADS...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/12/23
Denys said 2 were taken out.
Sooty Stirring Area Kitty Cat
  06/13/23
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FydSPEMakAAIjkr?format=jpg&n...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/12/23
Whoops! Cockpit footage is unpixelated here, so you can read...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/13/23
Screencap https://i.imgur.com/C9zBxgS.png
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/13/23
this video animation, or are they casually killing people du...
Magenta Hot Resort
  06/13/23
Probably filmed in Syria using captured ISIS.
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/13/23
Now with subtitles: https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/14/23
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraines-armor-appears...
Sooty Stirring Area Kitty Cat
  06/16/23
180! I like this quote: "The SHORAD problem is exace...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/16/23
...
Magenta Hot Resort
  06/16/23
Dang it. Came here to post this. Stunned and disappointe...
Amber Fragrant Corner Love Of Her Life
  06/16/23
was seriously surprised after googling that OP is just refer...
white associate base
  06/16/23
Russia hasn’t lost anywhere near 200k, propaganda boy
Glassy contagious boistinker
  06/16/23
America doesn't have ejection seats. Our best and brightest ...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  02/24/24
I saw one of these take on 3 Apaches at once and the Ka-52 w...
marvelous brunch half-breed
  06/16/23
Looks like this chopper got more tank and IFV kills than any...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/16/23
Lulzy comments. Yes, maybe Ukraine could move Gepards and NA...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/16/23
Crotale is the only decent answer to the Ka-52 but they are ...
arousing gaping
  06/16/23
Rate my powers of prediction here.
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  02/24/24
...
marvelous brunch half-breed
  06/16/23
UK getting ready to hit them with storm shadows: https://...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/17/23
Why wouldn’t these be top targets already?
Sooty Stirring Area Kitty Cat
  06/17/23
How do you know where they are? Satellites only orbit a give...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/17/23
USA has multiple satellites as well as surveillance planes.
Sooty Stirring Area Kitty Cat
  06/17/23
Bro, satellites are on fixed orbits. If you want a nice high...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/17/23
https://twitter.com/lesommierrgis/status/1670419889943728129
Sooty Stirring Area Kitty Cat
  06/18/23
By Matthew Luxmoore June 17, 2023 8:49 am ET Ukraine sai...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/18/23
"Russia has gained a temporary advantage" is uk...
Magenta Hot Resort
  06/18/23
F-16s and Gripens will fuck ‘em up
Sooty Stirring Area Kitty Cat
  06/18/23
F-16s need intact runways
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/18/23
LOL! https://twitter.com/ELuttwak/status/1670600686776512...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/18/23
Shit, an Apache crew would be det: https://twitter.com/Wa...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/19/23
Video: https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1670824609...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/19/23
Russia’s “dragon teeth” tank traps, minef...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/21/23
@Trollstoy88 The 39th Separate Helicopter Regiment of the A...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/21/23
Ukrainecucks love this helicopter even thought they don't ha...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  06/25/23
What are the chances both pilots shit their pants and the mi...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  04/16/24
Looks like a hellfire missile here. No idea what else comes ...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  07/05/23
What is this, Russian Rage Against the Machine? Just awful m...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  07/14/23
One shows up at 00:13 and no one gives a fuck. It's not shoo...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  07/14/23
Leaving this here for now: http://www.xoxohth.com/thread....
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  07/17/23
Look at this Ukrainecuck trying to cope. https://twitter....
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  08/07/23
All Hahols are going to die.
arousing gaping
  08/07/23
I think Vikhrs are using DU penetrators. It's not like anyon...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  02/24/24
Hell yeah glad someone finally said it. https://twitter.c...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  09/01/23
I don't think that's a mine at 00:54 https://twitter.com/...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  12/01/23
Unbelievable that this all action happened in the space of l...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  02/24/24
Do you jerk off to pictures of attack helicopters?
Slate Depressive
  02/24/24
They are the sickest weapons ever invented IMHO. Deadly af b...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  02/24/24
Not mines, not drones in some of these. https://x.com/hy3...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  02/25/24
Date: June 9th, 2023 8:36 PM Eat my shit.
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  04/16/24
Chay Bowes @BowesChay Russias KA52 "Aligator" ha...
Burgundy Maniacal Hominid
  09/17/24
There whole lot of cope about this bird now. These fags are ...
https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK
  07/18/25


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Date: June 9th, 2023 8:36 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Glad it's getting noticed. The helicopter is a badass. Something likt this should replace the fucking A-10 if anything. Make the Air Force fly it.

https://twitter.com/Retiremyass/status/1667170160073900038?s=20

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46410087)



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Date: June 9th, 2023 8:39 PM
Author: Sooty Stirring Area Kitty Cat

stinger dat bitch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46410094)



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Date: June 9th, 2023 8:40 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Good luck hitting either of the engines bro. It's clearly inspired by the A-10.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46410097)



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Date: June 9th, 2023 8:41 PM
Author: arousing gaping

Hahols wasted 25000 Stingers. Nato has like zero left.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46410100)



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Date: June 9th, 2023 8:42 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

cr a lot of these have been shot down (SUPPOSEDLY) but a lot of missiles were shot at them for every one that connected. Pilot ejection seat too goddammit. USA doesn't have that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46410107)



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Date: June 9th, 2023 8:39 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

My other thread on this bird

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353256&mc=3&forum_id=2

I have a special place in my heart for military helicopters and this puts to America to shame. We can't make a helicopter like that. Apaches still require a tail rotor. The blackhawk replacement won't require a tail rotor but look at it. We can't do coaxial rotors. Russia blew us out here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46410095)



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Date: June 9th, 2023 8:45 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Actual pic I took of what I'm told was America's boldest experiment with coaxial rotors.

https://imgur.com/a/xLjEgw7

The problem with the design was that it was too difficult to fly. America gave up on this design as inherently "too difficult to fly." Then Russia does this Ka-50 platform that's doing carthwheels in the air.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46410121)



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Date: June 9th, 2023 9:16 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

This is some bullshit AI generated video, but just imagine you're on the ground trying to shoot the engine in one of these things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_hz0cdkjgU

Look at Apaches with those yuge engines jutting out just begging to get shot. Now see if you can even spot the engines on the Russian chopper. And guess what: no tail rotor either.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46410227)



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Date: June 19th, 2023 1:59 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

V-280 engine placement for comparison.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/d9rnb0AXTVc/maxresdefault.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46445206)



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Date: September 17th, 2024 6:52 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

imgur backup in case Bell sends takedown notices to everyone who hosts pics of this POS. cot damn are any other countries even putting in orders for these? "The good news is there's no tail rotor."

https://i.imgur.com/zQMWvWS.jpeg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#48100893)



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Date: June 9th, 2023 9:27 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

It's Desert Shield 2.0

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1667132822182674433

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46410257)



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Date: June 9th, 2023 11:10 PM
Author: erotic liquid oxygen karate

I find it fascinating that Russiacucks take everything that any pro-Russian tweeter says as gospel but tell me I'm gullible for believing what I read in the news.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46410629)



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Date: June 9th, 2023 11:11 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

You think Russia can deliver that precision at that range with ground based rockets? Wow. I only saw one clip that showed what looked like unguided rockets. Other clips don't show craters from bombs that missed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46410633)



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Date: June 9th, 2023 11:30 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

It's actually interesting how little propaganda there is about this. Some russians still claim it's just "artillery." I said days ago it looked like Ukrainians were getting boinked by helicopters and it's only today that that's being confirmed. I think Russia actually wants to downplay this because it would highlight the value of F-16s. Right now Ukraine can't do SHIT about the choppers that hang out from beyond visual range. It's retarded that a Bradley can't do anything about that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46410687)



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Date: June 9th, 2023 11:43 PM
Author: Magenta Hot Resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46410716)



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Date: June 9th, 2023 11:48 PM
Author: House-broken stead

Latest version Kopoholovotrov EK-6 missile with Prynsk warhead 99 percent accurate within two meters. Yankee dogs have zero countermeasure and new KHOP-PA radar ensures NATO aircraft are rendered useless. Soviet banner will fly from Crimea to Finland. Putin genius triumph yet again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46410738)



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Date: June 10th, 2023 12:07 AM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Coaxial rotors. America can't do those. Supposedly they are too hard to fly but I guess Russia fixed that.

Meanwhile this is the best we can do to match it. Big huge ass transport plane that does vertical takeoff, not a nimble little tank murderer.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2022/12/06/bell-v-280-valor-will-replace-armys-legendary-black-hawk.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46410796)



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Date: June 10th, 2023 12:11 AM
Author: unhinged bateful blood rage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46410806)



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Date: June 10th, 2023 10:26 PM
Author: Hyperventilating heaven twinkling uncleanness

i still have a soft spot for pgtya poasting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46413528)



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Date: June 16th, 2023 12:23 PM
Author: supple sepia principal's office internal respiration



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46434507)



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Date: June 10th, 2023 12:13 AM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Let's look at loser America's efforts to make coaxial rotors work:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_X2

Number built: 1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46410809)



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Date: June 10th, 2023 12:13 AM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-69

Number built: 2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46410810)



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Date: June 10th, 2023 12:14 AM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle%27s_Perch

Number built: at least one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46410813)



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Date: June 10th, 2023 12:15 AM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrodyne_QH-50_DASH

Number built: 755

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46410818)



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Date: June 10th, 2023 12:18 AM
Author: Magenta Hot Resort

we were a country once

Gyrodyne Company of America, Inc. is a real estate investment trust that owns, leases, and manages commercial properties along the Eastern Coast of the United States.[1][2] Gyrodyne's headquarters are located in Saint James, New York, in Eastern Long Island. It was founded in 1946, initially as a helicopter design and manufacturing company.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46410824)



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Date: June 10th, 2023 11:04 AM
Author: rusted sex offender

Lmao wtf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46411528)



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Date: June 10th, 2023 10:32 PM
Author: Hyperventilating heaven twinkling uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46413550)



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Date: June 10th, 2023 12:19 AM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

LMFAO this is Sikorsky's answer. It still has a tail rotor:

https://youtu.be/A4jn_nnKMcY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46410828)



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Date: December 1st, 2023 4:37 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

WTF is there no swash plate? Did American inventors design this? "Use two rotors to go up, put one in back to make it do."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#47121699)



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Date: June 10th, 2023 11:01 AM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Update:

https://twitter.com/AllenNext/status/1667477921395613702

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46411519)



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Date: June 10th, 2023 11:41 AM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Ukrainecucks LIED and claimed this one was downed with MANPADS. What MANPADS shoots an enormous missile from the sky?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi5l2BMxAxM

This is why Ukraine wants F-16s so badly. No one could figure out wtf they were gonna do them because Ukraine/USA didn't want to tell the world that Russia makes this beast of an aircraft. This design pwns the fuck out of anything the USA can even dream of building. Of course you have to shoot it from the sky because the engines are impossible to spot from below.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46411578)



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Date: June 10th, 2023 12:05 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

These bros sound like they're sitting in an office park while they destroy tanks at night. Look at Leopard diesels throwing off DAT HEAT, becuming visible through the summer weather.

https://twitter.com/Roberto05246129/status/1667562589520363520

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46411638)



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Date: April 16th, 2024 10:04 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

PS Ukrainecucks the Abrams wouldn't have shown up hot like that from the side, only from behind. It it's looking at you, you might not even hear it because all the engine noise goes out the ass end as well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#47588770)



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Date: June 10th, 2023 12:26 PM
Author: arousing gaping

Russia is going to slaughter all Ukrops and then proceed to slaughter all the Balts and Poles. Their fates are sealed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46411676)



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Date: June 10th, 2023 12:58 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

My god, could an engine be easier to target? Russian engines are tucked in so deep it almost looks like they're inside the fuselage.

https://www.sandboxx.us/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Bell-Helicopter-2-1333x750.webp

America is doing this is because it's all it can do. This tilt rotor shit is sad and needs to end. We are dun here. Start over.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5353369&forum_id=2Reputation#46411778)



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Date: June 10th, 2023 3:02 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Russian Military Changes Tactics To Prevent Its Ka-52 Alligators From Being ‘Chopped Off’ In Ukraine War

By

Sakshi Tiwari

February 21, 2023

The Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) has reportedly modified its combat tactic after losing multiple attack helicopters, including the advanced Kamov Ka-52 ‘Alligator,’ in the ongoing Ukraine war.

According to Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense, Russia has lost almost 287 helicopters so far. Although the estimate does not factor in attack helicopter losses, some reports indicate that Ukrainian air defenses have obliterated one-eighth of the Russian combat chopper fleet.

In the latest development, has reportedly changed combat tactics to prevent its expensive, cutting-edge helicopters, especially the Ka-52 Alligator, from being shot down by Ukrainian surface-to-air and man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS).

First and foremost, they reduced the penetration distance and stopped flying deep into the Ukrainian territory. The report claims Russian helicopters like Ka-52s, Mi-28s, and Mi-24s rarely operate behind Ukrainian lines. They move along the front line, hitting Ukrainian targets with unguided or guided missiles.

The helicopters are still vulnerable to Ukrainian defenses, much less so than a year ago.

The second modification in the combat tactic brought about by the Russian military is instructing the Russian helicopter units deployed on the frontlines to provide more robust support against Ukrainian drone strikes and artillery barrages, which saw an uptick in the last few months.

Fortifications and other forms of protection have been built to protect the helicopters deployed at forward bases. The 440th Independent Helicopter Regiment was previously shown operating from inside a real fortress, metal containers, spare tires, and earthworks in a video published by the Kremlin.

Further, the third combat tactic was shifting to using helicopter cells within the same mission to ensure that if one helicopter in the cell does not have a specific combat capability, it can be provided by another helicopter participating in that mission.

For instance, EurAsian Times reported on joint missions undertaken by Ka-52 and the Mi-28, based on a video released by the Russian MoD last month. It showed the two choppers taking off together and the Ka-52 attacking Ukrainian ground positions, indicating how the Mi-8 MTPR-1 was tasked with disabling air defense radars to shield the Ka-52.

The strategy modifications have resulted from an unexpected combat loss of attack helicopters. It is pertinent to note that VKS attack helicopters like the Ka-52 or, Mi-28 and Mi-24 have to fly at fairly low altitudes to obliterate Ukrainian ground assets. However, that also means that they are easy targets for Ukrainian MANPADS.

In the ensuing conflict, Moscow lost several Ka-52s, which cost the country around 219 million rubles per chopper. The shift in tactics, even though not officially confirmed, would thus make sense as the country enters another year of war with no end to hostilities in sight.

Chopping Ks-52 Choppers

The Ka-52 “Alligator” is the most commonly deployed ground-attack platform in Russia’s military campaign in Ukraine. Since this chopper rolled out of production, it has been projected as one of the best attack helicopters in the world, with zero competitors.

Russia has maintained that the Alligator has better optics, night vision equipment, and precision missiles than other Russian gunships choppers like the Mi-24/35 Hind and Mi-28 Havok. Consequently, the Ka-52 fleet has been used more than other Russian gunships.

The Ka-52 attack helicopters reportedly stormed the Hostomel (Gostomel) airport on February 24, when Russia began its invasion of Ukraine to seize control of the landing strip. Several of these cutting-edge choppers have since been deployed and lost in combat.

According to the latest data gathered by the military tracking blog Oryx based on visual confirmations, Russia has so far lost at least 31 of these helicopters in Ukraine, or a fourth of the fleet of 140-141 K-52 helicopters, the VKS had in its inventory before the invasion.

Ka 52 russian helicopters

File Image: Ka-52 helicopters

The combined losses of the Mi-24/35 Hind and Mi-28 Havok fleets, which stood at 12 and 11, respectively, are practically equal to the number of Alligators lost.

The UK Ministry of Defense published a similar assessment in October 2022, stating Moscow lost more than a quarter of its fleet of Kamov Ka-52 attack helicopters in the ongoing conflict. At that time, the losses were pegged at around 23.

On the eleven-month anniversary of the invasion, on January 24, Ukraine announced that it had shot down three Ka-52 attack helicopters in just 30 minutes. At the time, a tweet from the Ukrainian Air Force stated that anti-aircraft missiles downed the helicopters.

The change in combat tactics to protect the Ka-52 and other attack choppers comes when Russia is believed to have deployed several fighter jets and attack helicopters along the border with Ukraine, sparking fears of an imminent aerial raid to mark the first anniversary of the invasion.

https://eurasiantimes.com/russian-military-changes-tactic-to-prevent-its-ka-52-alligators/

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Date: June 10th, 2023 5:04 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Apparently these have been considered high value targets for a while.

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Video has emerged purporting to show a man preparing and planting explosives on a Russian military helicopter at an airbase deep inside Russia.

Subsequent satellite imagery shows several damaged helicopters at the base in Pskov region in northern Russia. The base is about 35 kilometers from the border with Latvia, but nearly 1,000 kilometers from Ukraine.

The sabotage of the helicopters is the furthest from Ukrainian territory that an attack has been confirmed against a Russian military target since the conflict began.

The video shows an unidentified man placing something inside a helicopter. At one point he puts something to his ear, possibly a timer. At another moment, a Ka-52 attack helicopter is clearly visible.

The video is shot in daylight but the explosions did not occur until after nightfall, according to unofficial Russian media. CNN has geolocated the video to the Veretye base at Beredniki.

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Ukraine’s Defense Intelligence said Tuesday that a “powerful explosion occurred at the air base of the Russian Armed Forces “Veretier” on the night of October 31.”

While not claiming a Ukrainian sabotage unit carried out the attack, it said that “as a result of mining, two Russian attack (KA-52) helicopters and one MI-28N were completely destroyed. Two more were significantly damaged.”

A satellite image published Tuesday showed several damaged helicopters at the base, and one unofficial Russian media outlet reported explosions there.

The Telegram channel Baza said: “At around 10 pm [on October 31], the military personnel of the unit heard several explosions, and then saw the scattered wreckage of two helicopters. The explosion was so strong that the fragments of the fuselage scattered 200 meters around. The reason for the Ka-52 explosion is unknown.”

Symbolism of the sabotage

Such an audacious attack, so far from home soil, would be a first for Ukraine’s special forces. While there is no confirmation they carried out the sabotage attack, the speed with which Ukrainian Defense Intelligence reported the details of the incident is at least intriguing.

The symbolism of the sabotage is perhaps more important than its military consequences. Russia has hundreds of combat helicopters, and those damaged were nowhere near the theater.

Ukrainian officials typically refuse to go on the record about any attacks in Russia itself, or even in annexed Crimea, but there have been several attacks much closer to Ukrainian territory since the Russian invasion began. Railway lines have been damaged in Belgorod, as have ammunition depots.

The Millerovo airbase in Rostov region was hit – apparently by Tochka missiles – right at the start of the conflict, and several aircraft were damaged. And it’s still unknown whether a devastating attack on a Russian air force base in Crimea in August was carried out by special forces on the ground or missiles.

The exact cause of last month’s attack on the Kerch Bridge is also unknown. And it seems the Ukrainians are quite happy not to acknowledge such attacks.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/02/europe/russia-helicopter-sabotage-video-intl/index.html

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Date: June 10th, 2023 5:06 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

They were getting raped till Russia stole US Army tactics:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/10/26/ukraine-has-shot-down-a-quarter-of-russias-best-attack-helicopters/?sh=74b08b161879

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Date: June 10th, 2023 5:25 PM
Author: khaki queen of the night

https://i.ibb.co/WP4DC2L/prober.jpg

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Date: June 10th, 2023 9:42 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

"Say hello to Allah"

https://youtu.be/fUHMnEWetZU?t=318

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Date: June 16th, 2023 2:25 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Notice how the hellfires come down perpendicular. Made specifically for Russian autoloading turrets.

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Date: June 10th, 2023 11:19 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

"Lack of air support" is their code for referring to this platform.

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Ukrainian general Krivonos warns of total failure of counteroffensive

Criticism of Zelensky and warning about the danger of a counteroffensive

According to General of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Krivonos, the counteroffensive of the Ukrainian troops is doomed to failure due to the lack of air support. It is worth noting that the same point of view was expressed by Major General of the AFU Zaluzhny during the meeting, but his opinion was ignored by President Zelensky.

"It should be realized that a successful counter-offensive requires strong air support. Ukraine hoped to receive F-16 fighters, but nothing was provided to us. I would suspend all operations if I were in the place of military leadership," the general admitted.

Alleged disaster and ground offensive

According to the general, with the current state of weapons, an attack by the AFU would be a disaster, since the Kyiv troops would become an easy target for the Russian army. All Western equipment, tanks and infantry fighting vehicles will quickly turn into a pile of burnt metal, Krivonos claims.

This is not the first time the general has raised the issue that an offensive by the Armed Forces of Ukraine without air support will be unsuccessful and lead to significant losses.

"Without air support, the offensive will be a nightmare, lead to huge losses and bring nothing. It is better to prolong the current situation, wait for air support and prepare," the former deputy secretary of the National Security and Defense Council said. "Russia has enough resources, and we have huge problems with weapons and ammunition. The Russians have every opportunity to attack."

https://twitter.com/Roberto05246129/status/1667727147954237442

Tweeted moments earlier:

https://twitter.com/Roberto05246129/status/1667726240256499712

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Date: June 11th, 2023 12:09 AM
Author: Magenta Hot Resort

story makes no sense as everyone knows Zaluzhny is dead



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Date: June 11th, 2023 12:17 AM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

This reporting doesn't claim he made those comments recently.

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Date: June 11th, 2023 9:06 AM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Moving target this time:

https://twitter.com/GammonBadge/status/1667774202886205440

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Date: June 11th, 2023 9:23 AM
Author: plum native pocket flask

https://www.newsweek.com/how-russias-ka-52-hokum-attack-helicopters-compare-western-equipment-1754599#:~:text=The%20Ka%2D52%20is%20nimbler,superior%20to%20the%20Russian%20aircraft.

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Date: June 11th, 2023 9:25 AM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

lololol this is what NATO has been saying for the last six months. Their best and brightest minds did not anticipate these helicopters being a problem in June 2023.

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Date: June 11th, 2023 10:27 AM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

This bro says Russian fortification are 10km behind the front. I wonder why they landed on 10km.

https://twitter.com/MikaelValterss1/status/1667898527781986304?t=34M7U9y4oZ5B8ZwluQMLHQ&s=19

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Date: June 11th, 2023 4:02 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Iraq, 1991. Highway of death. One helicopter costs less than one Leopard.

https://twitter.com/GammonBadge/status/1667984403287425029?s=20

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Date: June 11th, 2023 4:05 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Trump Did Nothing Wrong said Ukraine was getting FOUR APACHES.

http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5271097&mc=81&forum_id=2

Biden genius triumph once again.

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Date: June 11th, 2023 5:02 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Some of these were just plain obliterated. Tweet says "in the lens of a copter."

https://twitter.com/tretter50001/status/1668000330456485892

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Date: June 11th, 2023 5:07 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Look at this trolling. "After a day of fixing and adjustments." Yeah, and then you sent the choppers just to take pics.

https://twitter.com/TheHumanFund5/status/1668001532262973443

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Date: June 11th, 2023 5:40 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Comments are 180. Ukrainecucks were laughing and making fun of this thing at the exact same time they were jizzing over leopards. This needs to be preserved for future generations. It's like the Carthaginian navy loling at the corvus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJsnZSysmzI

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Date: June 11th, 2023 9:15 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

*Someone asked on the previous thread if the allies have options of SHORAD to escort the convoys.

https://twitter.com/pati_marins64/status/1667631834077732864

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Date: June 11th, 2023 9:31 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Vremevsky direction. June 11. This time, the Ka-52 worked not according to technique, but according to the accumulation of piglets. These will certainly be silent about plans

https://twitter.com/tretter50001/status/1668065427572793347?s=20

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Date: June 12th, 2023 12:17 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Ukrainecucks jizzing over ONE being taken out after 4 days and countless vehicles being destroyed.

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1668284480220459008?t=9BXIZQKv1mQHnjJzWnYYhw&s=19

Let's see what the circumstances were. Ukraine NEEDS this news badly. Watch it get blasted from all channels.

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Date: June 12th, 2023 1:39 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Russia seems to confirm. Says it was taken down with MANPADS and the crew survived (Apache crew would be det). It must have been doing ISR in the rain since MANPADS can't lock onto a helicopter 10km away.

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Date: June 13th, 2023 2:40 AM
Author: Sooty Stirring Area Kitty Cat

Denys said 2 were taken out.

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Date: June 12th, 2023 7:23 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FydSPEMakAAIjkr?format=jpg&name=900x900

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Date: June 13th, 2023 2:48 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Whoops! Cockpit footage is unpixelated here, so you can read everything on the HUD.

https://youtu.be/AM-c5a3mAHU

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Date: June 13th, 2023 2:50 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Screencap

https://i.imgur.com/C9zBxgS.png

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Date: June 13th, 2023 5:14 PM
Author: Magenta Hot Resort

this video animation, or are they casually killing people during their demos

https://youtu.be/AM-c5a3mAHU?t=100



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Date: June 13th, 2023 5:41 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Probably filmed in Syria using captured ISIS.

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Date: June 14th, 2023 11:47 AM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Now with subtitles:

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1668892648596275200

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Date: June 16th, 2023 3:14 AM
Author: Sooty Stirring Area Kitty Cat

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraines-armor-appears-to-have-a-russian-attack-helicopter-problem

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Date: June 16th, 2023 12:54 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

180! I like this quote:

"The SHORAD problem is exacerbated by the very real lack of systems in this class in the U.S. inventory and in the inventories of its many allies. Post-Cold War, the United States and much of NATO neglected SHORAD capabilities, confident in the likelihood of air superiority in most likely combat zones. While Ukraine shows that the tactical realities of the modern battlefield have changed dramatically, backfilling the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ inventory with suitable systems is not an easy task."

9 mile range on that new missile is also absurd. How are they targeting at that range? Article makes a good point that these things operate best at night because it makes them even harder to spot.



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Date: June 16th, 2023 1:02 PM
Author: Magenta Hot Resort



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Date: June 16th, 2023 1:08 PM
Author: Amber Fragrant Corner Love Of Her Life

Dang it. Came here to post this.

Stunned and disappointed that NSAM wasn’t able to find this article on his own



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Date: June 16th, 2023 3:19 AM
Author: white associate base

was seriously surprised after googling that OP is just referring to a helicopter. it's like oh cool congrats on being a regional power and having a military with some helicopters that haven't stopped a 3x smaller military from killing 200,000 of your soldiers.



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Date: June 16th, 2023 11:07 PM
Author: Glassy contagious boistinker

Russia hasn’t lost anywhere near 200k, propaganda boy

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Date: February 24th, 2024 11:26 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

America doesn't have ejection seats. Our best and brightest pilots are flat out dead if the tail rotor gets blown out. KIA. What are we doing to fix that?

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Date: June 16th, 2023 3:21 AM
Author: marvelous brunch half-breed

I saw one of these take on 3 Apaches at once and the Ka-52 was the only one left flying. Just an incredible fighting machine.

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Date: June 16th, 2023 12:17 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Looks like this chopper got more tank and IFV kills than any other weapon. Looks like Ukraine's spring counteroffensive is OVER.

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Date: June 16th, 2023 1:03 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Lulzy comments. Yes, maybe Ukraine could move Gepards and NASAMS to the front so that lancets can destroy them all.

https://twitter.com/GuyPlopsky/status/1669482444821786624

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Date: June 16th, 2023 2:29 PM
Author: arousing gaping

Crotale is the only decent answer to the Ka-52 but they are not road mobile like Buk and Pantsir....

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Date: February 24th, 2024 11:26 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Rate my powers of prediction here.

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Date: June 16th, 2023 11:03 PM
Author: marvelous brunch half-breed



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Date: June 17th, 2023 4:29 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

UK getting ready to hit them with storm shadows:

https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1670156654917169153

The problem is they are spread too far apart at the airbases for even a storm shadow to take out more than one, and even that would require one of these helicopters to sit in one place for quite some time. Either that or they are getting satellite recon and somehow detecting these in satellite images within ~1 hour. Otherwise if I'm Russia I'm just moving these things around, doing maintenance in the field where possible, keeping expensive equipment far from big hangars that look like obvious targets for storm shadows. Let Ukraine blow up some empty hangars. Sucks to lose hangars, but the good news is Ukraine doesn't have enough storm shadows or ATACMS to do much else. Air defense should also be tight at these airfields.

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Date: June 17th, 2023 7:51 PM
Author: Sooty Stirring Area Kitty Cat

Why wouldn’t these be top targets already?

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Date: June 17th, 2023 8:21 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

How do you know where they are? Satellites only orbit a given patch of land every so often.

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Date: June 17th, 2023 8:46 PM
Author: Sooty Stirring Area Kitty Cat

USA has multiple satellites as well as surveillance planes.

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Date: June 17th, 2023 8:51 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Bro, satellites are on fixed orbits. If you want a nice high res pic of small patch of land you gotta wait till the satellite gets there, then you have to examine the images to find the helicopters and hoap they are still there. If the helicopter has moved since the satellite flew by, you are shooting storm shadows at empty pavement. It's also harder to detect decoys with satellites unless they taking IR images. As for aerial recon the US is not flying sorties over Russian held territory AFAIK. If they are they are keeping it a secret, not feeding real time data to Ukrainian missiles.

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Date: June 18th, 2023 9:59 AM
Author: Sooty Stirring Area Kitty Cat

https://twitter.com/lesommierrgis/status/1670419889943728129

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Date: June 18th, 2023 10:02 AM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

By Matthew Luxmoore

June 17, 2023 8:49 am ET

Ukraine said its forces were advancing on several axes in their counteroffensive but were struggling to counter Russian air and artillery superiority hobbling its assaults in the east and south.

Now into its second week, Ukraine’s ambitious attempt to take back Russian-occupied land is proving to be a hard slog against dense minefields and well-prepared defenses. After Ukraine’s first probing attacks yielded mixed results, its forces have mostly paused their advances in recent days as commanders take stock of the past two weeks and analyze ways to punch through Russian lines without taking huge losses.

Russia has taken advantage of its superior air power and Kyiv’s limited air defenses to strike Ukrainian armored columns and stop several attacks, destroying some of the sophisticated Western weaponry Ukraine is fielding.

The U.K.’s Defense Ministry said in its daily intelligence briefing on Saturday that Russia had bolstered its force of attack helicopters in occupied Berdyansk, some 60 miles behind the front line in Ukraine’s south, with more than 20 additional helicopters deployed there.

The move further strengthens Russian air-power potential in the region. Helicopters have successfully fired long-range missiles against Ukrainian ground targets that have had little protection from air-defense systems, the British Defense Ministry said. “In the constant contest between aviation measures and counter-measures, it is likely that Russia has gained a temporary advantage in southern Ukraine,” it said in a post to Twitter.

But Ukrainian officials have struck an upbeat tone in the face of the challenges, saying that their forces have moved forward in a number of areas despite not yet posing a direct threat to Russia’s main defensive lines, built up over months in the Zaporizhzhia and Donetsk regions.

“Ukraine is seizing the initiative. Russia is on the defensive,” Ukraine’s Deputy Defense Minister Volodymyr Havrylov said on Saturday, though he said Kyiv urgently needed long-range artillery capable of striking targets far behind the front line and disabling Russian ammunition and logistics hubs.

In the eastern Donbas region, Ukrainian forces have been advancing on the flanks around Bakhmut, the city Russia recently captured after many months of brutal combat. Hanna Malyar, another Ukrainian deputy defense minister, said the intensity of fighting around Bakhmut had lessened and acknowledged that Russia had the upper hand in terms of aviation and artillery forces.

But Malyar said Ukraine was pressing ahead in its campaign to encircle Russian forces around the city, seeking to take up positions overlooking Bakhmut from which it could strike Russian units. Russia is reinforcing its presence around the city, Malyar said, moving troops there from other areas while also bolstering units defending parts of the south.

“Our forces are on the offensive in several areas, occupying dominant positions and forested areas with a view to gradually push the enemy out of the approaches into Bakhmut,” Malyar said late on Friday.

Meanwhile, Russia has continued drone and missile strikes against Ukrainian cities as it seeks to deplete their stocks of expensive air-defense munitions and keep such systems deployed away from the eastern front line. Ten Ukrainian regions were attacked in the 24 hours leading into Saturday morning, according to reports from local authorities compiled by Ukrainska Pravda, Ukraine’s leading news outlet.

Oleh Synehubov, the governor of Kharkiv region in northeast Ukraine, said on Saturday that four people were killed when an antitank rocket struck a vehicle in a village near the Russian border.

Write to Matthew Luxmoore at matthew.luxmoore@wsj.com

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Date: June 18th, 2023 10:43 AM
Author: Magenta Hot Resort

"Russia has gained a temporary advantage"

is ukraine growing stronger? why do the bongs think this is temporary?



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Date: June 18th, 2023 10:44 AM
Author: Sooty Stirring Area Kitty Cat

F-16s and Gripens will fuck ‘em up

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Date: June 18th, 2023 3:41 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

F-16s need intact runways

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Date: June 18th, 2023 9:26 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

LOL!

https://twitter.com/ELuttwak/status/1670600686776512514?t=fruE_zmmQ9Mw7_MpxhMBLQ&s=19

Kornets are not the problem. I assumed it was kornets early on too, but it's Vikhrs. None of this armor will do shit. The penetrating charge burns the same as our DU rounds. No word yet on what it's made of.

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Date: June 19th, 2023 1:49 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Shit, an Apache crew would be det:

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1670812670331846656

People are still mystified by this rotor design, because it's technology America quietly abandoned and doesn't want to talk about:

https://twitter.com/JoshVegas6/status/1670812887349166083

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Date: June 19th, 2023 1:54 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Video:

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1670824609879392256

LOL:

https://twitter.com/Niiles2nd/status/1670839111140114435

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Date: June 21st, 2023 9:30 AM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Russia’s “dragon teeth” tank traps, minefields and multi-layered fortifications are just one set of obstacles in Ukraine’s budding counteroffensive. Another formidable foe turns out to be airborne: the Russian Ka-52 “Alligator” attack helicopter.

In one of the campaign’s early battles near Orikhiv, in Zaporizhzhia province, a Ukrainian infantry company drove into a minefield and reportedly came under fire from Alligators, losing several US-supplied Bradley infantry fighting vehicles and a German-built Leopard 2 tank.

It was unclear how many vehicles were destroyed or later recovered. Nor has Kyiv shed light on to how many Ukrainian soldiers were killed. But images of that battle, shared by Russian media and pro-war bloggers, spoke powerfully of the obstacles Ukraine’s forces will have to overcome.

Ukrainian troops and western analysts and officials have long highlighted the role of aviation, including Russian fighter jets and attack helicopters in picking off Ukrainian armour, and the lack of air defences at the frontline to deter them.

“I personally saw how, during our assault, the enemy [fighter jet] aircraft immediately fired on our advancing troops using laser guided bombs from a far distance,” said Stas, a soldier with an elite drone surveillance unit helping infantry regain lost territory in the south of the country. It was not an isolated incident, he said.

Russia’s use of helicopters to attack armour was a “very powerful technique” to which Ukraine had no parity, said Stas, pleading for the west to provide Ukraine with US Apache attack choppers, in addition to F-16 fighter jets.

Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy last week paid tribute to his forces for continuing to press into Russian-held territory despite Moscow’s “air and artillery superiority”.

Earlier this month, Russia deployed an additional 20 helicopters including Alligators to an airfield near Berdyansk, 100km from Orikhiv, which has become a leading base for rotary wing operations.

“In the constant contest between aviation measures and countermeasures, it is likely that Russia has gained a temporary advantage in southern Ukraine, especially with attack helicopters employing longer-range missiles against ground targets,” Britain’s defence intelligence tweeted over the weekend.

Despite its technical superiority, Russia’s air force never gained control of Ukrainian skies thanks to Ukraine’s extensive Soviet-era air defences later bolstered by western systems. Russian fighters straying too far over the frontline into Ukrainian territory risked being shot down.

Russia’s President Vladimir Putin visits a helicopter manufacturing plant in Ulan-Ude, eastern Russia

Russia’s President Vladimir Putin, left, at a helicopter manufacturing plant in Ulan-Ude, eastern Russia. Russian fighter jets and helicopters are exploiting deficiencies in Ukraine’s air defences © Sergei Ilyin/Sputnik/Kremlin Pool/AP

Russian fighter jets and helicopters are now exploiting deficiencies in Ukraine’s air defences at the frontline. Kyiv operates different Soviet-era surface-to-air missile systems, but has too few to provide full cover, leaving it partly reliant on very short-range shoulder-launched missiles (Manpads) which require the operator to see the target before shooting.

“Manpads are not very effective at night,” said a Ukrainian air force pilot. “We need systems with detection and guidance — radar or optical-electronic systems,” the pilot added.

Justin Bronk, senior research fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, a London-based think-tank, said Russian helicopters fitted with anti-tank guided missiles “were always going to be a much greater threat to Ukrainian forces during a counteroffensive than during periods when Ukraine was defending against Russian attacks”.

“They can hover, spot for targets and fire anti-tank guided missiles from beyond the range of shoulder-fired Manpads or anti-aircraft fire,” Bronk said.

This leaves Ukrainian forces having to constantly balance the risk of deploying their scarce surface-to-air missile systems closer to the front lines against the cost of leaving their armoured vehicles exposed to Russian gunfire.

As Russian missile strikes against multiple Ukrainian cities have intensified since early May, Ukraine’s armed forces had to keep their surface-to-air missile systems in place to protect the civilian population rather than moving them to the frontline. The losses in the opening battles of the counteroffensive to Ukrainian forces has set off a rush by western allies to supply additional air defence systems and ammunition to Kyiv.

Britain last week said that together with the US, Denmark and the Netherlands it was purchasing “hundreds of short and medium range air defence systems”, largely Soviet era, to be delivered in the coming weeks.

On Monday, Emmanuel Macron, president of France, announced Franco-Italian SAMP-T systems pledged earlier were now “operational” in Ukraine.

“The most important problem for Ukraine is that we need to do two air defence tasks simultaneously — to protect major urban areas and industry . . . and the frontline,” said Mykola Bielieskov, a research fellow at the Kyiv-based National Institute for Strategic Studies. “It’s a challenge as we have a shortage of land-based [air defences].”

Bielieskov cautioned that those systems could themselves become targets to Russian Lancet kamikaze drones.

The Ka-52 helicopter is hardly infallible. When Russia’s defence ministry broadcast a video of one striking a Leopard tank in an open field, western analysts ascertained the destroyed target was, embarrassingly for Moscow, a crop sprayer.

The Alligator is also highly vulnerable to surface to air missiles when in range. Russia has lost at least 35 of them since February last year, according to Oryx, which documents equipment losses in the war. Colonel Yuriy Ignat, spokesperson for the Ukrainian air force, claimed four had been shot down in the last week.

Ignat played down the threat from Russian attack helicopters during the counteroffensive.

“The Ka-52 is absolutely not a helicopter that establishes air superiority,” Ignat said, nor did it deliver “the kind of firepower that is decisive on the battlefield”.

The greater aviation threat to Ukraine’s forces came from Russian fighter jets which had more powerful radars and longer-range missiles than Ukraine’s older Soviet-built aircraft, Ignat said. The vulnerability of Ukrainian forces underscored the need for western-made jets, such as the F-16, he said.

Stas, the drone operator, said Ukraine needed F-16s and US helicopters to protect ground forces.

“Offensive actions require air cover and the most important thing now is the offensive, because if we do not swiftly win this war, if we do not take back all of our territory, it will drag on and on,” he said.

Additional reporting by John Paul Rathbone in London

https://www.ft.com/content/d8fe8941-3703-433d-ac7a-dab9ba500481

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Date: June 21st, 2023 11:58 AM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

@Trollstoy88

The 39th Separate Helicopter Regiment of the Army Aviation of the RuAF is now called the elite "Guards" by the presidential decree.

Ka-52 decimation of columns of Western-made armored vehicles including Leopard tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was not in vain.

10:19 AM · Jun 21, 2023

https://twitter.com/Trollstoy88/status/1671523196544139266

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Date: June 25th, 2023 7:21 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Ukrainecucks love this helicopter even thought they don't have any:

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672558135469326337?s=20

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Date: April 16th, 2024 10:20 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

What are the chances both pilots shit their pants and the missile launch was accidental?

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Date: July 5th, 2023 12:34 AM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Looks like a hellfire missile here. No idea what else comes straight down like that.

https://twitter.com/GammonBadge/status/1676435754694713346?t=9YBUCaCBHFp6H81fkPU6Bg&s=19

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Date: July 14th, 2023 11:40 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

What is this, Russian Rage Against the Machine? Just awful music.

https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1679844188186112000?s=20

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Date: July 14th, 2023 11:44 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

One shows up at 00:13 and no one gives a fuck. It's not shooting flares or doing any stunts and no one notices or cares that there's no tail rotor.

https://twitter.com/SpriterTeam/status/1677605810946420738?s=20

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Date: July 17th, 2023 6:12 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Leaving this here for now:

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5374229&mc=3&forum_id=2

Here are a few things to consider:

- we didn't see footage of the missile in action until after Ukraine announced it was accepting depleted uranium rounds from the UK.

- even though Ukraine announced it would accept DU rounds from the UK, it STFU them at warp speed. You won't see Ukraine or UK sources say a word about DU rounds anymore. Something spooked them into silence.

- In order to prove Russia is using DU rounds, you'd have to have collect fragments of what you believe was the penetrating round from a shell. That's probably hard to do if the shell was already used. Properly designed DU penetrators should just burn the fuck up when exposed to oxygen. You shouldn't be finding pieces of DU among the debris unless the missile was designed poorly something went wrong. The other way to prove it would be to capture one of the missiles intact, but it doesn't look like Ukraine has done that (odd case since they claim to have shot down so many Ka-52s).

- even if Ukraine could prove Russia is using DU, it can't complain about it, because Ukraine already announced that it would be using DU rounds against Russia. There's no point in even mentioning it since it's just going to lower morale among Ukrainian troops. You want your guys to think its safe to roll out in Bradleys, so you'll want to downplay the enemy's capabilities.

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Date: August 7th, 2023 9:52 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Look at this Ukrainecuck trying to cope.

https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1688697964040974340

He's missing the point. The engineering that went into this chopper is cute, but it's the missiles that are doing the killing. No one knew Russia had missiles with same or better range and explosive force than hellfires. This thread is two months old now, so Ukraine has had at least that long to come up with a fix.

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Date: August 7th, 2023 9:54 PM
Author: arousing gaping

All Hahols are going to die.

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Date: February 24th, 2024 10:59 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

I think Vikhrs are using DU penetrators. It's not like anyone can prove it without capturing one intact. I've never seen another missile assfuck armored vehicles that hard, but Ukrainecucks are welcome to prove me wrong.

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Date: September 1st, 2023 8:27 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Hell yeah glad someone finally said it.

https://twitter.com/_Surovikin_/status/1697547635354153183

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Date: December 1st, 2023 4:24 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

I don't think that's a mine at 00:54

https://twitter.com/GhostyZov/status/1730688481465147591?t=xw_pTSzRYkeOd6crRY-YnQ&s=19

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Date: February 24th, 2024 10:56 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Unbelievable that this all action happened in the space of like 2 days. In retrospect these few days in June were not that different from Gulf War I. All we heard was Baghdad Bob bullshit for like 9 months, then the helos went up and silence.

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Date: February 24th, 2024 11:17 PM
Author: Slate Depressive

Do you jerk off to pictures of attack helicopters?

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Date: February 24th, 2024 11:22 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

They are the sickest weapons ever invented IMHO. Deadly af but also major fucking deathtraps for the pilots. They will all be replaced the moment someone figures out a way to make a safer alternative, until then we're stuck with 'em because look what they can do.

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Date: February 25th, 2024 12:51 AM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Not mines, not drones in some of these.

https://x.com/hy3ze0_m/status/1678486752489619456?s=20

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Date: April 16th, 2024 9:54 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Date: June 9th, 2023 8:36 PM

Eat my shit.

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Date: September 17th, 2024 6:49 PM
Author: Burgundy Maniacal Hominid

Chay Bowes

@BowesChay

Russias KA52 "Aligator" has become the world's foremost combat veteran helicopter.

It has destroyed literally thousands of Ukrainian vehicles, tanks, and even other aircraft.

Russia now has a globally unrivalled cadre of veteran combat pilots. With thousands of sorties made.

https://twitter.com/BowesChay/status/1835965930284736910

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Date: July 18th, 2025 4:03 PM
Author: https://imgur.com/a/o2g8xYK


There whole lot of cope about this bird now. These fags are here to tell you why:

"By mid-2023, Russian pilots had shifted to low-altitude operations and high-angle indirect fire, known as “lofting,” where helicopters briefly pop up to launch unguided rockets or missiles from a distance before retreating behind cover.

This tactic reduced exposure to Ukrainian air defenses, though it also compromised strike accuracy. Thus, the Ka-52’s effectiveness in some key scenarios was limited as a result. But ever since Russia incorporated the aforementioned LMUR missile into the Ka-52’s arsenal, the Ka-52’s efficacy in combat has expanded greatly.

In fact, the Ka-52s have gotten much better at anti-drone missions. For instance, this last May, Ka-52s were actually deployed to intercept Ukrainian drones that had been sent to attack targets in Moscow. The Ka-52s used 30mm autocannons and Igla anti-aircraft missiles to shoot down the attacking drones. This unconventional use underscored the helicopter’s adaptability in response to emerging threats, such as Ukraine’s increasing drone operations targeting Russian territory."

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russias-ka-52-alligator-helicopter-raining-fire-ukraine-bw

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