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Will Tezos dump below ICO price? YES OR NO

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federal cruise ship
  07/05/18
Fma
Rose Lascivious Native
  07/05/18
Hopefully not before I get home
Rose Lascivious Native
  07/05/18
Isn't it 5 or 6 times the ICO price?
magical ratface therapy
  07/05/18
LOL no. ICO price is like $0.40. It's not going to fall be...
dashing insecure foreskin
  07/05/18
But btc ico price? Maybe
hyperventilating lodge
  07/05/18
Would be pretty kooky
Soggy idiotic rigpig
  07/05/18
it's already only 30% above ICO price in BTC, although peopl...
anal wild rehab
  07/05/18
Going to ICO in BTC or ETH wouldn't be that kooky
Soggy idiotic rigpig
  07/05/18
Why not? I didn’t realize tezzies come with an option ...
disturbing talking crackhouse
  07/05/18
You sound like a student or someone who has never worked out...
dashing insecure foreskin
  07/06/18
Interesting. I just finished reviewing a 15 tab accretion di...
disturbing talking crackhouse
  07/06/18
Wow you sound cool and fun
Jet Awkward Sweet Tailpipe
  07/06/18
Thanks bro
disturbing talking crackhouse
  07/06/18
Do you have to return some video tapes?
Soggy idiotic rigpig
  07/06/18
Aka you pressed a button
Rose Lascivious Native
  07/06/18
Ha yeah pretty much. But i made that shit sounds way more im...
disturbing talking crackhouse
  07/06/18
lmao at pretending investment bankers do anything hard and t...
anal wild rehab
  07/06/18
Meh. The work isnt rocket science but you need a mix of prob...
disturbing talking crackhouse
  07/06/18
Date: July 5th, 2018 11:53 AM Author: ETH dunking on Skadde...
disturbing talking crackhouse
  12/06/18
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bearded jade corner
  12/06/18
I literally cant unload this shit HITBTC is not taking de...
Rose Lascivious Native
  07/05/18
unless you bought a shitton and want to offload a portion to...
anal wild rehab
  07/05/18
...
pink range
  07/05/18
i sold mine for 2 bucks on gate io. i’m american as apple pi...
disturbing talking crackhouse
  07/06/18
Have u withdrawn?
Rose Lascivious Native
  07/06/18
Yes
disturbing talking crackhouse
  07/06/18
May go for it tonight
Rose Lascivious Native
  07/06/18
You’ll have to kyc (use your drivers licence) to withdraw bu...
disturbing talking crackhouse
  07/06/18
I sold 80% of mine at 2 bucks a pop. I intend to forget that...
disturbing talking crackhouse
  07/05/18
highly bumpable poast right here
Soggy idiotic rigpig
  07/05/18
bumpable by me lol
disturbing talking crackhouse
  07/06/18
Agreed
disturbing talking crackhouse
  08/13/18
Date: July 5th, 2018 7:24 PM Author: a mitigated 180 hig...
disturbing talking crackhouse
  12/06/18
When moon
pink range
  07/05/18
LJL
French gas station
  07/08/18
I cant believe people still do this. I’m embarassed to have ...
disturbing talking crackhouse
  07/08/18
Just do sell low and brag about it bro
French gas station
  07/08/18
Just do celebrate random wild swings of an illiquid market a...
disturbing talking crackhouse
  07/08/18
I dont understand why you couldn’t just wait another year af...
buck-toothed tantric partner
  07/08/18
My view is it’ll be a while before a major exchange lists it...
disturbing talking crackhouse
  07/08/18
Just do panic sell into an illiquid market, failing to recog...
French gas station
  07/08/18
...
disturbing talking crackhouse
  08/13/18
It turns out “LJL” isn’t really a coherent investment thesis
disturbing talking crackhouse
  08/13/18
...
Soggy idiotic rigpig
  07/08/18
lol dumbass
ultramarine knife abode
  07/08/18
This is the twilight zone. Note I’ve probably made 1000x mor...
disturbing talking crackhouse
  07/09/18
sup
disturbing talking crackhouse
  08/02/18
Ur poast inspired me to dump ty breh
Rose Lascivious Native
  08/13/18
Sup
disturbing talking crackhouse
  08/13/18
Date: July 8th, 2018 9:31 PM Author: .,.,.,,,.,,.,.,.,,.,.,...
disturbing talking crackhouse
  12/06/18
Very close to ICO BTC price
federal cruise ship
  07/05/18
...
misanthropic stage pozpig
  07/06/18
Surging to $2.45 at the moment, passing VEN in MC for the #1...
pink range
  07/08/18
ljl @ sellcucks
fishy box office deer antler
  07/08/18
...
misanthropic stage pozpig
  07/08/18
recommend buying? i think it's junk like EOS, but could achi...
flesh aromatic whorehouse coffee pot
  07/08/18
Sorry XYZ no coiners, this does not appear to be going down ...
pink range
  07/18/18
Chandler better not sellcuck. He’s rich now anyway
buck-toothed tantric partner
  07/18/18
I’m poorer now than I was when I was wagecucking
Magenta heaven
  07/19/18
Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth ...
misanthropic stage pozpig
  07/19/18
https://www.google.com/amp/s/genius.com/amp/Thrice-of-dust-a...
Magenta heaven
  07/19/18
Fuck my ass, I was pretty sure this wouldn't happen and now ...
pink range
  08/13/18
I feel no great joy for being right itt because you’re not e...
disturbing talking crackhouse
  08/13/18
oh hey guys! liquidating at $2 a pop feels mighty nice right...
disturbing talking crackhouse
  09/08/18
(fag)
fishy box office deer antler
  09/10/18
...
Stirring hall
  09/10/18
...
Soggy idiotic rigpig
  09/10/18
who was this?
Pearly Cracking Really Tough Guy Hell
  08/16/20
We have an answer folks!
disturbing talking crackhouse
  12/06/18
Lol
bearded jade corner
  12/06/18
...
Pearly Cracking Really Tough Guy Hell
  08/15/20


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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:15 AM
Author: federal cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367546)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:25 AM
Author: Rose Lascivious Native

Fma

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367611)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:26 AM
Author: Rose Lascivious Native

Hopefully not before I get home

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367614)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:47 AM
Author: magical ratface therapy

Isn't it 5 or 6 times the ICO price?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367748)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:53 AM
Author: dashing insecure foreskin

LOL no. ICO price is like $0.40. It's not going to fall below the value of all of it's assets (i.e., all of the eth and btc it raised, some of which I suspect has been converted to cash, although I've not followed that closely)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367778)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 12:26 PM
Author: hyperventilating lodge

But btc ico price? Maybe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367961)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 1:23 PM
Author: Soggy idiotic rigpig

Would be pretty kooky

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36368208)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 5:14 PM
Author: anal wild rehab

it's already only 30% above ICO price in BTC, although people who bought in ETH are still way ahead

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36369555)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 7:22 PM
Author: Soggy idiotic rigpig

Going to ICO in BTC or ETH wouldn't be that kooky

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370298)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

Why not? I didn’t realize tezzies come with an option to flip them into bitcoin/ether. The “LOL” in all caps is especially precious.

The floor is 0.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370173)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 9:24 AM
Author: dashing insecure foreskin

You sound like a student or someone who has never worked outside of litigation, so it's precious that you'd opine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36373748)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 11:49 AM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

Interesting. I just finished reviewing a 15 tab accretion dilution model and fixed it because an analyst forgot to use run rate synergies to calculate pro forma EPS. you have no idea what I just said but it isn’t litigation lmao.

Remind me what you do again?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374674)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:06 PM
Author: Jet Awkward Sweet Tailpipe

Wow you sound cool and fun

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374740)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:12 PM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

Thanks bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374764)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:35 PM
Author: Soggy idiotic rigpig

Do you have to return some video tapes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374870)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:07 PM
Author: Rose Lascivious Native

Aka you pressed a button

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36375973)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

Ha yeah pretty much. But i made that shit sounds way more impressive than that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36376121)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:41 PM
Author: anal wild rehab

lmao at pretending investment bankers do anything hard and the fact that they brag about their MAD EXCEL SKILLZ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36376187)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 4:25 PM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

Meh. The work isnt rocket science but you need a mix of problem solving skills, attention to detail and business sense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36376423)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 12:17 AM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

Date: July 5th, 2018 11:53 AM

Author: ETH dunking on Skadden Assoc (joeybank)

LOL no. ICO price is like $0.40. It's not going to fall below the value of all of it's assets (i.e., all of the eth and btc it raised, some of which I suspect has been converted to cash, although I've not followed that closely)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37358540)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 9:40 AM
Author: bearded jade corner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37359597)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:06 PM
Author: Rose Lascivious Native

I literally cant unload this shit

HITBTC is not taking deposits

gate.io does not allow USmos to withdraw

fuck my literal ass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36369857)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:17 PM
Author: anal wild rehab

unless you bought a shitton and want to offload a portion to mitigate risk (and take nice profits if you bought in eth) you may as well just hodl for a while at this point. within five years it's either going to 0 or going to be relevant and worth a good amount. if you only have like 10-20k just let it roll.

plus this seems to be a common pattern for "serious" coins. ZIL immediately mooned hard and then cratered, but now it's holding stable. tezos just had an extended post-ICO moon phase because futures were around.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36369942)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:31 PM
Author: pink range



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370020)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:13 AM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

i sold mine for 2 bucks on gate io. i’m american as apple pie.

youre confusing the wink nod disclaimer for actually caring about excluding americans

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36372401)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 9:35 AM
Author: Rose Lascivious Native

Have u withdrawn?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36373793)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 11:50 AM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374678)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:07 PM
Author: Rose Lascivious Native

May go for it tonight

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36375967)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:31 PM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

You’ll have to kyc (use your drivers licence) to withdraw but I got mine approved in a few hours

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36376133)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:57 PM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

I sold 80% of mine at 2 bucks a pop. I intend to forget that it ever existed now. Have fun asking when moon ad nauseaum

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370182)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 7:24 PM
Author: Soggy idiotic rigpig

highly bumpable poast right here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370316)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:14 AM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

bumpable by me lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36372404)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:10 PM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

Agreed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610382)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 12:16 AM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

Date: July 5th, 2018 7:24 PM

Author: a mitigated 180

highly bumpable poast right here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37358530)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 7:32 PM
Author: pink range

When moon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370375)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 12:00 PM
Author: French gas station

LJL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36384896)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 2:52 PM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

I cant believe people still do this. I’m embarassed to have involved myself in crypto and the long term value propostion is still trash. No one knows what its actually worth so of course the price swings wildly. I just wanted to take my 5x profit and wash off the stench of involving myself with this shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36385633)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: French gas station

Just do sell low and brag about it bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386056)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 6:23 PM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

Just do celebrate random wild swings of an illiquid market alongside people making the most retarded investment arguments of all time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386730)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: buck-toothed tantric partner

I dont understand why you couldn’t just wait another year after holding this long. Tezos is favored to be listed by coinbase...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386738)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 7:24 PM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

My view is it’ll be a while before a major exchange lists it given the regulatory risk. And the ongoing litigation feels like a dangling ax. Fuck that crypto is risky enough without that overhang

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36387219)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 6:49 PM
Author: French gas station

Just do panic sell into an illiquid market, failing to recognize obvious signs of slippage from overselling, and then get MAF when it recovers, LJL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386934)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:11 PM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610389)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:11 PM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

It turns out “LJL” isn’t really a coherent investment thesis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610386)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 7:00 PM
Author: Soggy idiotic rigpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36387014)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:31 PM
Author: ultramarine knife abode

lol dumbass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36387994)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:54 AM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

This is the twilight zone. Note I’ve probably made 1000x more than you ever will on crypto

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36389175)



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Date: August 2nd, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

sup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36542673)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 2:33 PM
Author: Rose Lascivious Native

Ur poast inspired me to dump ty breh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36609386)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:11 PM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

Sup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610392)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 12:16 AM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

Date: July 8th, 2018 9:31 PM

Author: .,.,.,,,.,,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.

lol dumbass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37358533)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 8:06 PM
Author: federal cruise ship

Very close to ICO BTC price

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370589)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 10:32 AM
Author: misanthropic stage pozpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374108)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 10:08 AM
Author: pink range

Surging to $2.45 at the moment, passing VEN in MC for the #18 spot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36384494)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 11:01 AM
Author: fishy box office deer antler

ljl @ sellcucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36384683)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 6:03 PM
Author: misanthropic stage pozpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386585)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 7:38 PM
Author: flesh aromatic whorehouse coffee pot

recommend buying? i think it's junk like EOS, but could achieve similar gains

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36387316)



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Date: July 18th, 2018 7:20 PM
Author: pink range

Sorry XYZ no coiners, this does not appear to be going down below ICO prices just yet

Currently at $2.34 or around 6X ICO price in $ and just passed BNB for the #17 spot and still only on one shitty exchange



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36455208)



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Date: July 18th, 2018 11:52 PM
Author: buck-toothed tantric partner

Chandler better not sellcuck. He’s rich now anyway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36456958)



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Date: July 19th, 2018 1:55 PM
Author: Magenta heaven

I’m poorer now than I was when I was wagecucking

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36459670)



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Date: July 19th, 2018 5:03 PM
Author: misanthropic stage pozpig

Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36460934)



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Date: July 19th, 2018 7:30 PM
Author: Magenta heaven

https://www.google.com/amp/s/genius.com/amp/Thrice-of-dust-and-nations-lyrics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36461956)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 2:22 PM
Author: pink range

Fuck my ass, I was pretty sure this wouldn't happen and now I'm envisioning a future competing with Peterman on the lot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36609332)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:12 PM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

I feel no great joy for being right itt because you’re not exactly a group of genius hedge fund portfolio managers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610403)



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Date: September 8th, 2018 4:54 PM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

oh hey guys! liquidating at $2 a pop feels mighty nice right now! pls tell me more about the “fundamentals” of an “asset” with no apparent capacity to generate future cash flows. nah i’m just playing: doing so just perverts the concept of investment fundamentals

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36770773)



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Date: September 10th, 2018 7:51 PM
Author: fishy box office deer antler

(fag)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36783761)



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Date: September 10th, 2018 8:04 PM
Author: Stirring hall



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36783838)



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Date: September 10th, 2018 9:24 PM
Author: Soggy idiotic rigpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36784244)



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Date: August 16th, 2020 4:41 PM
Author: Pearly Cracking Really Tough Guy Hell

who was this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#40765104)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 12:14 AM
Author: disturbing talking crackhouse

We have an answer folks!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37358523)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 9:43 AM
Author: bearded jade corner

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Date: August 15th, 2020 4:44 PM
Author: Pearly Cracking Really Tough Guy Hell



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