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Will Tezos dump below ICO price? YES OR NO

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Alcoholic den giraffe
  07/05/18
Fma
Primrose violent indirect expression
  07/05/18
Hopefully not before I get home
Primrose violent indirect expression
  07/05/18
Isn't it 5 or 6 times the ICO price?
Coral well-lubricated hunting ground dilemma
  07/05/18
LOL no. ICO price is like $0.40. It's not going to fall be...
aromatic senate genital piercing
  07/05/18
But btc ico price? Maybe
Arrogant ceo
  07/05/18
Would be pretty kooky
Yapping mustard gunner cruise ship
  07/05/18
it's already only 30% above ICO price in BTC, although peopl...
vigorous henna lodge
  07/05/18
Going to ICO in BTC or ETH wouldn't be that kooky
Yapping mustard gunner cruise ship
  07/05/18
Why not? I didn’t realize tezzies come with an option ...
Abusive mother
  07/05/18
You sound like a student or someone who has never worked out...
aromatic senate genital piercing
  07/06/18
Interesting. I just finished reviewing a 15 tab accretion di...
Abusive mother
  07/06/18
Wow you sound cool and fun
Thriller shrine
  07/06/18
Thanks bro
Abusive mother
  07/06/18
Do you have to return some video tapes?
Yapping mustard gunner cruise ship
  07/06/18
Aka you pressed a button
Primrose violent indirect expression
  07/06/18
Ha yeah pretty much. But i made that shit sounds way more im...
Abusive mother
  07/06/18
lmao at pretending investment bankers do anything hard and t...
vigorous henna lodge
  07/06/18
Meh. The work isnt rocket science but you need a mix of prob...
Abusive mother
  07/06/18
Date: July 5th, 2018 11:53 AM Author: ETH dunking on Skadde...
Abusive mother
  12/06/18
...
mauve heady heaven potus
  12/06/18
I literally cant unload this shit HITBTC is not taking de...
Primrose violent indirect expression
  07/05/18
unless you bought a shitton and want to offload a portion to...
vigorous henna lodge
  07/05/18
...
Useless Arousing Stage Tank
  07/05/18
i sold mine for 2 bucks on gate io. i’m american as apple pi...
Abusive mother
  07/06/18
Have u withdrawn?
Primrose violent indirect expression
  07/06/18
Yes
Abusive mother
  07/06/18
May go for it tonight
Primrose violent indirect expression
  07/06/18
You’ll have to kyc (use your drivers licence) to withdraw bu...
Abusive mother
  07/06/18
I sold 80% of mine at 2 bucks a pop. I intend to forget that...
Abusive mother
  07/05/18
highly bumpable poast right here
Yapping mustard gunner cruise ship
  07/05/18
bumpable by me lol
Abusive mother
  07/06/18
Agreed
Abusive mother
  08/13/18
Date: July 5th, 2018 7:24 PM Author: a mitigated 180 hig...
Abusive mother
  12/06/18
When moon
Useless Arousing Stage Tank
  07/05/18
LJL
sexy outnumbered karate
  07/08/18
I cant believe people still do this. I’m embarassed to have ...
Abusive mother
  07/08/18
Just do sell low and brag about it bro
sexy outnumbered karate
  07/08/18
Just do celebrate random wild swings of an illiquid market a...
Abusive mother
  07/08/18
I dont understand why you couldn’t just wait another year af...
Adulterous Deep Kitty Cat Bawdyhouse
  07/08/18
My view is it’ll be a while before a major exchange lists it...
Abusive mother
  07/08/18
Just do panic sell into an illiquid market, failing to recog...
sexy outnumbered karate
  07/08/18
...
Abusive mother
  08/13/18
It turns out “LJL” isn’t really a coherent investment thesis
Abusive mother
  08/13/18
...
Yapping mustard gunner cruise ship
  07/08/18
lol dumbass
talking zombie-like space
  07/08/18
This is the twilight zone. Note I’ve probably made 1000x mor...
Abusive mother
  07/09/18
sup
Abusive mother
  08/02/18
Ur poast inspired me to dump ty breh
Primrose violent indirect expression
  08/13/18
Sup
Abusive mother
  08/13/18
Date: July 8th, 2018 9:31 PM Author: .,.,.,,,.,,.,.,.,,.,.,...
Abusive mother
  12/06/18
Very close to ICO BTC price
Alcoholic den giraffe
  07/05/18
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chocolate roast beef
  07/06/18
Surging to $2.45 at the moment, passing VEN in MC for the #1...
Useless Arousing Stage Tank
  07/08/18
ljl @ sellcucks
razzmatazz dingle berry lay
  07/08/18
...
chocolate roast beef
  07/08/18
recommend buying? i think it's junk like EOS, but could achi...
odious nursing home
  07/08/18
Sorry XYZ no coiners, this does not appear to be going down ...
Useless Arousing Stage Tank
  07/18/18
Chandler better not sellcuck. He’s rich now anyway
Adulterous Deep Kitty Cat Bawdyhouse
  07/18/18
I’m poorer now than I was when I was wagecucking
Erotic coffee pot cuck
  07/19/18
Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth ...
chocolate roast beef
  07/19/18
https://www.google.com/amp/s/genius.com/amp/Thrice-of-dust-a...
Erotic coffee pot cuck
  07/19/18
Fuck my ass, I was pretty sure this wouldn't happen and now ...
Useless Arousing Stage Tank
  08/13/18
I feel no great joy for being right itt because you’re not e...
Abusive mother
  08/13/18
oh hey guys! liquidating at $2 a pop feels mighty nice right...
Abusive mother
  09/08/18
(fag)
razzmatazz dingle berry lay
  09/10/18
...
Bistre feces
  09/10/18
...
Yapping mustard gunner cruise ship
  09/10/18
who was this?
boyish pearly boltzmann
  08/16/20
We have an answer folks!
Abusive mother
  12/06/18
Lol
mauve heady heaven potus
  12/06/18
...
boyish pearly boltzmann
  08/15/20


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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:15 AM
Author: Alcoholic den giraffe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367546)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:25 AM
Author: Primrose violent indirect expression

Fma

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367611)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:26 AM
Author: Primrose violent indirect expression

Hopefully not before I get home

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367614)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:47 AM
Author: Coral well-lubricated hunting ground dilemma

Isn't it 5 or 6 times the ICO price?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367748)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 11:53 AM
Author: aromatic senate genital piercing

LOL no. ICO price is like $0.40. It's not going to fall below the value of all of it's assets (i.e., all of the eth and btc it raised, some of which I suspect has been converted to cash, although I've not followed that closely)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367778)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 12:26 PM
Author: Arrogant ceo

But btc ico price? Maybe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36367961)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 1:23 PM
Author: Yapping mustard gunner cruise ship

Would be pretty kooky

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36368208)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 5:14 PM
Author: vigorous henna lodge

it's already only 30% above ICO price in BTC, although people who bought in ETH are still way ahead

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36369555)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 7:22 PM
Author: Yapping mustard gunner cruise ship

Going to ICO in BTC or ETH wouldn't be that kooky

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370298)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:55 PM
Author: Abusive mother

Why not? I didn’t realize tezzies come with an option to flip them into bitcoin/ether. The “LOL” in all caps is especially precious.

The floor is 0.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370173)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 9:24 AM
Author: aromatic senate genital piercing

You sound like a student or someone who has never worked outside of litigation, so it's precious that you'd opine.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36373748)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 11:49 AM
Author: Abusive mother

Interesting. I just finished reviewing a 15 tab accretion dilution model and fixed it because an analyst forgot to use run rate synergies to calculate pro forma EPS. you have no idea what I just said but it isn’t litigation lmao.

Remind me what you do again?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374674)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:06 PM
Author: Thriller shrine

Wow you sound cool and fun

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374740)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:12 PM
Author: Abusive mother

Thanks bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374764)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:35 PM
Author: Yapping mustard gunner cruise ship

Do you have to return some video tapes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374870)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:07 PM
Author: Primrose violent indirect expression

Aka you pressed a button

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36375973)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:29 PM
Author: Abusive mother

Ha yeah pretty much. But i made that shit sounds way more impressive than that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36376121)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:41 PM
Author: vigorous henna lodge

lmao at pretending investment bankers do anything hard and the fact that they brag about their MAD EXCEL SKILLZ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36376187)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 4:25 PM
Author: Abusive mother

Meh. The work isnt rocket science but you need a mix of problem solving skills, attention to detail and business sense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36376423)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 12:17 AM
Author: Abusive mother

Date: July 5th, 2018 11:53 AM

Author: ETH dunking on Skadden Assoc (joeybank)

LOL no. ICO price is like $0.40. It's not going to fall below the value of all of it's assets (i.e., all of the eth and btc it raised, some of which I suspect has been converted to cash, although I've not followed that closely)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37358540)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 9:40 AM
Author: mauve heady heaven potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37359597)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:06 PM
Author: Primrose violent indirect expression

I literally cant unload this shit

HITBTC is not taking deposits

gate.io does not allow USmos to withdraw

fuck my literal ass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36369857)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:17 PM
Author: vigorous henna lodge

unless you bought a shitton and want to offload a portion to mitigate risk (and take nice profits if you bought in eth) you may as well just hodl for a while at this point. within five years it's either going to 0 or going to be relevant and worth a good amount. if you only have like 10-20k just let it roll.

plus this seems to be a common pattern for "serious" coins. ZIL immediately mooned hard and then cratered, but now it's holding stable. tezos just had an extended post-ICO moon phase because futures were around.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36369942)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:31 PM
Author: Useless Arousing Stage Tank



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370020)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:13 AM
Author: Abusive mother

i sold mine for 2 bucks on gate io. i’m american as apple pie.

youre confusing the wink nod disclaimer for actually caring about excluding americans

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36372401)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 9:35 AM
Author: Primrose violent indirect expression

Have u withdrawn?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36373793)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 11:50 AM
Author: Abusive mother

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374678)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:07 PM
Author: Primrose violent indirect expression

May go for it tonight

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36375967)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 3:31 PM
Author: Abusive mother

You’ll have to kyc (use your drivers licence) to withdraw but I got mine approved in a few hours

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36376133)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 6:57 PM
Author: Abusive mother

I sold 80% of mine at 2 bucks a pop. I intend to forget that it ever existed now. Have fun asking when moon ad nauseaum

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370182)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 7:24 PM
Author: Yapping mustard gunner cruise ship

highly bumpable poast right here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370316)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 12:14 AM
Author: Abusive mother

bumpable by me lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36372404)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:10 PM
Author: Abusive mother

Agreed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610382)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 12:16 AM
Author: Abusive mother

Date: July 5th, 2018 7:24 PM

Author: a mitigated 180

highly bumpable poast right here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37358530)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 7:32 PM
Author: Useless Arousing Stage Tank

When moon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370375)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 12:00 PM
Author: sexy outnumbered karate

LJL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36384896)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 2:52 PM
Author: Abusive mother

I cant believe people still do this. I’m embarassed to have involved myself in crypto and the long term value propostion is still trash. No one knows what its actually worth so of course the price swings wildly. I just wanted to take my 5x profit and wash off the stench of involving myself with this shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36385633)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 4:17 PM
Author: sexy outnumbered karate

Just do sell low and brag about it bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386056)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 6:23 PM
Author: Abusive mother

Just do celebrate random wild swings of an illiquid market alongside people making the most retarded investment arguments of all time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386730)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 6:24 PM
Author: Adulterous Deep Kitty Cat Bawdyhouse

I dont understand why you couldn’t just wait another year after holding this long. Tezos is favored to be listed by coinbase...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386738)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 7:24 PM
Author: Abusive mother

My view is it’ll be a while before a major exchange lists it given the regulatory risk. And the ongoing litigation feels like a dangling ax. Fuck that crypto is risky enough without that overhang

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36387219)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 6:49 PM
Author: sexy outnumbered karate

Just do panic sell into an illiquid market, failing to recognize obvious signs of slippage from overselling, and then get MAF when it recovers, LJL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386934)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:11 PM
Author: Abusive mother



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610389)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:11 PM
Author: Abusive mother

It turns out “LJL” isn’t really a coherent investment thesis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610386)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 7:00 PM
Author: Yapping mustard gunner cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36387014)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 9:31 PM
Author: talking zombie-like space

lol dumbass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36387994)



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Date: July 9th, 2018 12:54 AM
Author: Abusive mother

This is the twilight zone. Note I’ve probably made 1000x more than you ever will on crypto

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36389175)



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Date: August 2nd, 2018 6:38 PM
Author: Abusive mother

sup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36542673)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 2:33 PM
Author: Primrose violent indirect expression

Ur poast inspired me to dump ty breh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36609386)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:11 PM
Author: Abusive mother

Sup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610392)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 12:16 AM
Author: Abusive mother

Date: July 8th, 2018 9:31 PM

Author: .,.,.,,,.,,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.

lol dumbass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37358533)



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Date: July 5th, 2018 8:06 PM
Author: Alcoholic den giraffe

Very close to ICO BTC price

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36370589)



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Date: July 6th, 2018 10:32 AM
Author: chocolate roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36374108)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 10:08 AM
Author: Useless Arousing Stage Tank

Surging to $2.45 at the moment, passing VEN in MC for the #18 spot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36384494)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 11:01 AM
Author: razzmatazz dingle berry lay

ljl @ sellcucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36384683)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 6:03 PM
Author: chocolate roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36386585)



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Date: July 8th, 2018 7:38 PM
Author: odious nursing home

recommend buying? i think it's junk like EOS, but could achieve similar gains

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36387316)



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Date: July 18th, 2018 7:20 PM
Author: Useless Arousing Stage Tank

Sorry XYZ no coiners, this does not appear to be going down below ICO prices just yet

Currently at $2.34 or around 6X ICO price in $ and just passed BNB for the #17 spot and still only on one shitty exchange



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36455208)



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Date: July 18th, 2018 11:52 PM
Author: Adulterous Deep Kitty Cat Bawdyhouse

Chandler better not sellcuck. He’s rich now anyway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36456958)



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Date: July 19th, 2018 1:55 PM
Author: Erotic coffee pot cuck

I’m poorer now than I was when I was wagecucking

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36459670)



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Date: July 19th, 2018 5:03 PM
Author: chocolate roast beef

Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36460934)



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Date: July 19th, 2018 7:30 PM
Author: Erotic coffee pot cuck

https://www.google.com/amp/s/genius.com/amp/Thrice-of-dust-and-nations-lyrics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36461956)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 2:22 PM
Author: Useless Arousing Stage Tank

Fuck my ass, I was pretty sure this wouldn't happen and now I'm envisioning a future competing with Peterman on the lot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36609332)



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Date: August 13th, 2018 5:12 PM
Author: Abusive mother

I feel no great joy for being right itt because you’re not exactly a group of genius hedge fund portfolio managers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36610403)



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Date: September 8th, 2018 4:54 PM
Author: Abusive mother

oh hey guys! liquidating at $2 a pop feels mighty nice right now! pls tell me more about the “fundamentals” of an “asset” with no apparent capacity to generate future cash flows. nah i’m just playing: doing so just perverts the concept of investment fundamentals

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36770773)



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Date: September 10th, 2018 7:51 PM
Author: razzmatazz dingle berry lay

(fag)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36783761)



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Date: September 10th, 2018 8:04 PM
Author: Bistre feces



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36783838)



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Date: September 10th, 2018 9:24 PM
Author: Yapping mustard gunner cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#36784244)



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Date: August 16th, 2020 4:41 PM
Author: boyish pearly boltzmann

who was this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#40765104)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 12:14 AM
Author: Abusive mother

We have an answer folks!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37358523)



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Date: December 6th, 2018 9:43 AM
Author: mauve heady heaven potus

Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4018285&forum_id=7#37359614)



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Date: August 15th, 2020 4:44 PM
Author: boyish pearly boltzmann



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