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RESOLVED: JUDGES DECIDE CASES ON THE BASIS OF FAIRNESS, NOT LAW

Any credible disagreement with this proposition?
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
Did they not teach you about equity vs law? In old England t...
Big twinkling uncleanness
  02/09/12
See, e.g., JEFFREY A. SEGAL & HAROLD J. SPAETH, THE SUPR...
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
You think Segal and Spaeth haven't been criticized many time...
shaky startled locale
  02/10/12
I still think they're right, as flawed as their study might ...
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  02/10/12
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Very Tactful Principal's Office
  07/23/12
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Very Tactful Principal's Office
  10/06/15
Gross simplification of British law.
Irradiated translucent philosopher-king
  03/22/12
I tend to agree with slim. However, there are the rare occur...
Grizzly Filthy Water Buffalo
  02/10/12
he is absolutely correct if you replace "fair" wit...
Fishy Spectacular Plaza
  02/10/12
TYFT, brother. I agree whole-heartedly. Care to elaborate?
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/10/12
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Very Tactful Principal's Office
  12/21/12
false (see dismissals on basis of statute of limitations pro...
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  02/09/12
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  02/09/12
provide please several citations to such dismissals along wi...
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  02/09/12
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  02/09/12
Duh! Those obvious cases are where the judge just applies th...
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
procedural defects aren't always clear-cut
Lemon Thriller Generalized Bond
  02/09/12
So do judges decide the bar on successive motions of habeas ...
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
don't know, don't care
Lemon Thriller Generalized Bond
  02/09/12
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Very Tactful Principal's Office
  09/16/15
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Very Tactful Principal's Office
  03/21/12
I find 'fairness' a weird name for what you're getting at
bisexual rigor idiot
  02/09/12
What's a better word? I am trying to say that a judge decide...
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
you are 100% correct
Fishy Spectacular Plaza
  02/10/12
whats a better word then?
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  04/17/12
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Very Tactful Principal's Office
  03/22/12
most procedural errors are corrected via motion for leave to...
black fantasy-prone tanning salon dingle berry
  02/09/12
Very cogent, brother. Expand a little please.
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
no
black fantasy-prone tanning salon dingle berry
  02/09/12
lol
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  12/21/12
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lime frisky black woman point
  04/07/17
(says something unintelligent about equitable tolling)
Khaki provocative azn
  02/09/12
Even tolling is applied according to fairly rigid doctrines....
talented genital piercing brunch
  02/09/12
How about at the COA and SCOTUS level?
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
what an idiot
bisexual rigor idiot
  02/09/12
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Reynolds
sooty tripping den trump supporter
  02/09/12
What about Maher Arar, brother?
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
uh, by definition, thats what equity courts are supposed to ...
Racy garrison people who are hurt
  02/09/12
even for courts of chancery, they decide on the basis of fai...
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
if chancery is the same as equity, then yes, that is the leg...
Racy garrison people who are hurt
  02/09/12
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Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
well duh, they're courts of chancery
Khaki provocative azn
  02/09/12
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Very Tactful Principal's Office
  09/23/12
Twist: the law is fair
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  02/09/12
if law was fair, this guy would have gotten monetary relief....
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
But Slim, what argument that proceeding w his litigation sev...
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  02/09/12
The invocation of the State Secret privilege in this case wa...
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
That statement standing alone seems a little conclusory. Des...
curious foreskin ticket booth
  02/09/12
read david cole's brief man. He litigated the case on appeal...
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
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Very Tactful Principal's Office
  09/30/15
to be fair, no (see bush v. gore)
Out-of-control Motley National Security Agency
  02/09/12
ya that was decided on the basis of fairness
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
Sarcasm?
curious foreskin ticket booth
  02/09/12
the conservative bloc thought it was fair to give the electi...
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
But you didn't think it was. amirite
curious foreskin ticket booth
  02/09/12
See, e.g., JEFFREY A. SEGAL & HAROLD J. SPAETH, THE SUPR...
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
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Very Tactful Principal's Office
  10/20/15
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Very Tactful Principal's Office
  03/13/12
lol, just lol
Out-of-control Motley National Security Agency
  02/09/12
Korematsu v. US
painfully honest cuckoldry
  02/09/12
fairness again
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
Korematsu would disagree with you.
painfully honest cuckoldry
  02/09/12
then what did they decide the case on ? not on the law...on ...
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
exigency =/= fairness.
bisexual rigor idiot
  02/09/12
titocr
painfully honest cuckoldry
  02/09/12
define fairness, brother. is fairness some intangible, publi...
painfully honest cuckoldry
  02/09/12
See, e.g., JEFFREY A. SEGAL & HAROLD J. SPAETH, THE SUPR...
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
attitudes/values =/= fairness
bisexual rigor idiot
  02/09/12
You've never noticed that your COA judge decides on the basi...
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
attitudes are not fairness, brother. also, my judge (who I'm...
bisexual rigor idiot
  02/09/12
I know the law might suggest an outcome, but ultimately, in ...
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
why the fuck does that matter, a hard case by definition is ...
bisexual rigor idiot
  02/09/12
Hard cases are where the stakes tend to be extremely high on...
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
but you see, that's a HARD CASE about which the constitution...
bisexual rigor idiot
  02/09/12
There you go, brother. You just recognized my point. Have yo...
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
but strong indeterminacy is bullshit, 99% of law is settled
bisexual rigor idiot
  02/09/12
I just fucking said that. Christ. Thoughts on Critical L...
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/09/12
you so did not just fucking say that
bisexual rigor idiot
  02/09/12
Oh apologies, brother. I meant I was NOT advocating Crit. Th...
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  02/09/12
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Very Tactful Principal's Office
  04/14/12
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  02/10/12
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  02/10/12
Wrong. For example, there are tons of empirical studies show...
hairraiser mother
  02/10/12
nice "pretending to not know that ssm is flame/retarded...
bisexual rigor idiot
  02/10/12
someone's gotta feed the fire man
hairraiser mother
  02/10/12
Fairness includes ideological preference. All I am trying to...
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/10/12
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curious foreskin ticket booth
  05/06/12
Apt, timely example: United States v. Jones. Whatever tha...
twisted house
  02/10/12
Thank you brother. Also, can you discuss whether Justice ...
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/10/12
FROM A JOB OPPORTUNITY--BASICALLY PROVES JUDGES DECIDE CASE...
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  02/26/12
Your position is interesting, and perhaps even persuasive, b...
Comical sanctuary
  04/14/12
Why, brother? Where you been?
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  04/14/12
Just messing with you man. I've been in lurk mode lately ma...
Comical sanctuary
  04/14/12
How is California legal practice treating u, brother?
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  04/14/12
I like it for the most part man. I'm getting put on some fai...
Comical sanctuary
  04/14/12
ahh nice, brother. Are you trying to open up your own place ...
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  04/14/12
that would be awesome, but I don't think I'm entrepreneurial...
Comical sanctuary
  04/14/12
pretty easy argument when you define fairness as anything th...
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  04/14/12
Your sophistication on these matters is utterly rudimentary....
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  04/14/12
explain in a cogent sentence please
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  04/14/12
http://www.repository.law.indiana.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?ar...
Very Tactful Principal's Office
  04/14/12
that's not a sentence brother. whose supreme court justic...
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This is a question of legal philosophy. See “The Case of the...
disrespectful multi-colored prole set
  09/20/18
Honestly, I agree, especially at the appellate level. If th...
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Date: February 9th, 2012 12:02 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

Any credible disagreement with this proposition?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19930168)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:16 PM
Author: Big twinkling uncleanness

Did they not teach you about equity vs law? In old England they actually had two kinds of courts. One that ruled based on law and other that ruled based on fairness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931572)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 8:38 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

See, e.g., JEFFREY A. SEGAL & HAROLD J. SPAETH, THE SUPREME COURT AND THE ATTITUDINAL MODEL (2001) (arguing that Supreme Court Justices decide cases based on political attitudes

and values rather than on legal considerations).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933309)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 1:55 AM
Author: shaky startled locale

You think Segal and Spaeth haven't been criticized many times in the literature? Are you just now coming across this citation? Lol, brother, lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935652)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 2:02 AM
Author: bisexual rigor idiot

I still think they're right, as flawed as their study might be in this way or that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935681)



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Date: July 23rd, 2012 2:13 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#21155031)



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Date: October 6th, 2015 12:30 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#28910878)



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Date: March 22nd, 2012 12:38 PM
Author: Irradiated translucent philosopher-king

Gross simplification of British law.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20267597)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 3:34 AM
Author: Grizzly Filthy Water Buffalo

I tend to agree with slim. However, there are the rare occurrences when Judges rule in accordance with procedural law that results in an otherwise inequitable outcome. During the rare instances that I'm working on the defense side, I shoot for the quick technical win and sometimes you get the job done with the support from the Judge, all the while knowing that the other side clearly has merit.

I would hope that fairness dictates our judicial processes, but what is fairness? To say that ulterior motives are never a factor is to say that Judges are inhuman machines.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935879)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 8:26 AM
Author: Fishy Spectacular Plaza

he is absolutely correct if you replace "fair" with "whatever the judge thinks is the "right" answer"

anyone who disputes this is a fucking retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19936282)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 8:47 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

TYFT, brother. I agree whole-heartedly. Care to elaborate?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19939799)



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Date: December 21st, 2012 11:18 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#22294286)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 12:06 PM
Author: talented genital piercing brunch

false (see dismissals on basis of statute of limitations procedural errors etc)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19930195)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 12:09 PM
Author: Avocado diverse gaming laptop windowlicker

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19930213)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 12:09 PM
Author: sinister whorehouse becky

provide please several citations to such dismissals along with a cogent and succinct summary of each case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19930216)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 12:13 PM
Author: soul-stirring chrome kitchen toaster



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19930248)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:16 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

Duh! Those obvious cases are where the judge just applies the law. But in hard cases like Romer v Evans, Heller, and so forth, a decision is made on the basis of fairness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931274)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:05 PM
Author: Lemon Thriller Generalized Bond

procedural defects aren't always clear-cut

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931518)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:06 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

So do judges decide the bar on successive motions of habeas relief on the basis of fairness?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931520)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:08 PM
Author: Lemon Thriller Generalized Bond

don't know, don't care

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931531)



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Date: September 16th, 2015 12:44 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#28766995)



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Date: March 21st, 2012 10:47 AM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20257024)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:43 PM
Author: bisexual rigor idiot

I find 'fairness' a weird name for what you're getting at

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932013)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 8:08 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

What's a better word? I am trying to say that a judge decides cases on the basis of his own personal view as to what the best/just outcome should be according to his own peculiar worldview.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933138)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 8:31 AM
Author: Fishy Spectacular Plaza

you are 100% correct



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19936288)



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Date: April 17th, 2012 9:00 AM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

whats a better word then?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20481268)



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Date: March 22nd, 2012 11:58 AM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20267364)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:23 PM
Author: black fantasy-prone tanning salon dingle berry

most procedural errors are corrected via motion for leave to amend.

it can be argued that it is fair not to subject someone to suit after a significant amount of time (the limitations period) has passed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931301)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:24 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

Very cogent, brother. Expand a little please.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931304)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:27 PM
Author: black fantasy-prone tanning salon dingle berry

no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931325)



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Date: December 21st, 2012 11:33 PM
Author: fragrant unhinged fanboi factory reset button

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#22294360)



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Date: April 7th, 2017 11:03 PM
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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:48 PM
Author: Khaki provocative azn

(says something unintelligent about equitable tolling)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932040)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:41 PM
Author: talented genital piercing brunch

Even tolling is applied according to fairly rigid doctrines. OP's assertion is garbage at the trial court level where courts don't stray much from the rules and doctrines set forth from above. Obviously the Supreme Court is more likely to take account of fluffy policy considerations.

I guess it depends on how you define fairness. I believe OP is trying to argue that courts don't follow precedent or doctrines and make decisions according to their notions of justice and good policy which really isn't all that true at the lower court levels.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933674)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:42 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

How about at the COA and SCOTUS level?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933679)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 12:09 PM
Author: bisexual rigor idiot

what an idiot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19930214)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:32 PM
Author: sooty tripping den trump supporter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Reynolds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931347)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:33 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

What about Maher Arar, brother?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931355)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:37 PM
Author: Racy garrison people who are hurt

uh, by definition, thats what equity courts are supposed to do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931372)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:57 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

even for courts of chancery, they decide on the basis of fairness

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931470)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:50 PM
Author: Racy garrison people who are hurt

if chancery is the same as equity, then yes, that is the legal standard they apply: what is fair.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932054)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:26 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933582)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:51 PM
Author: Khaki provocative azn

well duh, they're courts of chancery

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932067)



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Date: September 23rd, 2012 11:18 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#21645753)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:02 PM
Author: curious foreskin ticket booth

Twist: the law is fair

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931502)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:04 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

if law was fair, this guy would have gotten monetary relief.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maher_Arar

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931513)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:07 PM
Author: curious foreskin ticket booth

But Slim, what argument that proceeding w his litigation severely impairs post-9/11 American foreign policy? I.e., fairer to protect American people than this dood. Your take?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931528)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:09 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

The invocation of the State Secret privilege in this case was invoked disingeniously.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931537)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:11 PM
Author: curious foreskin ticket booth

That statement standing alone seems a little conclusory. Describe why if you could

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931550)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:34 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

read david cole's brief man. He litigated the case on appeal to the 2nd cir. with CCR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931671)



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Date: September 30th, 2015 9:40 AM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#28867546)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:11 PM
Author: Out-of-control Motley National Security Agency

to be fair, no (see bush v. gore)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931546)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:11 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

ya that was decided on the basis of fairness

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931549)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:11 PM
Author: curious foreskin ticket booth

Sarcasm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931553)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:12 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

the conservative bloc thought it was fair to give the election to bush.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931556)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:15 PM
Author: curious foreskin ticket booth

But you didn't think it was. amirite

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931565)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 8:38 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

See, e.g., JEFFREY A. SEGAL & HAROLD J. SPAETH, THE SUPREME COURT AND THE ATTITUDINAL MODEL (2001) (arguing that Supreme Court Justices decide cases based on political attitudes

and values rather than on legal considerations

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933314)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 5:37 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#29008298)



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Date: March 13th, 2012 2:30 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20195801)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:12 PM
Author: Out-of-control Motley National Security Agency

lol, just lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931554)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:15 PM
Author: painfully honest cuckoldry

Korematsu v. US

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931567)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:30 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

fairness again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931650)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:39 PM
Author: painfully honest cuckoldry

Korematsu would disagree with you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931987)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:42 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

then what did they decide the case on ? not on the law...on the basis of exigency and thus fairness

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932005)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:49 PM
Author: bisexual rigor idiot

exigency =/= fairness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932046)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:55 PM
Author: painfully honest cuckoldry

titocr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932082)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:50 PM
Author: painfully honest cuckoldry

define fairness, brother. is fairness some intangible, public good which usurps the individual's rights in exigent circumstances? please provide no less than 3 cogent, relevant examples in an expeditious manner. ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932052)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 8:07 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

See, e.g., JEFFREY A. SEGAL & HAROLD J. SPAETH, THE SUPREME COURT AND THE ATTITUDINAL MODEL (2001) (arguing that Supreme Court Justices decide cases based on political attitudes

and values rather than on legal considerations)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933128)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:32 PM
Author: bisexual rigor idiot

attitudes/values =/= fairness

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933610)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:33 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

You've never noticed that your COA judge decides on the basis of fairness a given complaint?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933614)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:35 PM
Author: bisexual rigor idiot

attitudes are not fairness, brother. also, my judge (who I'm not working for yet) always seems to agree with the other judges on their panels, and I find it hard to believe they all have the same views about the "fairness" of this or that. but they do agree on the law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933625)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:37 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

I know the law might suggest an outcome, but ultimately, in the hard cases, don't you think the judges just think that their reasoning is outcome-driven?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933639)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:38 PM
Author: bisexual rigor idiot

why the fuck does that matter, a hard case by definition is one where the law has probably run out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933648)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:39 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

Hard cases are where the stakes tend to be extremely high on both sides, and in which decisions on the basis of fairness are most often generated.

Thoughts on DeShaney v. Winnebago County? Read that case. notice how the Justices decide the merits on the basis of their personal vision of fairness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933655)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:45 PM
Author: bisexual rigor idiot

but you see, that's a HARD CASE about which the constitution really says absolutely nothing one way or another, so yeah, what else are you going to rely on but your personal vision of the law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933695)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:46 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

There you go, brother. You just recognized my point. Have you ever read the Legal Realists like Alan Watson? They sort of make the same point. I am advocating a Crit position a la Duncan Kennedy, Roberto Unger or Mark Tushnet (i.e. a strong indeterminacy argument).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933705)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:51 PM
Author: bisexual rigor idiot

but strong indeterminacy is bullshit, 99% of law is settled

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933744)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:53 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

I just fucking said that. Christ.

Thoughts on Critical Legal Studies?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933755)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:54 PM
Author: bisexual rigor idiot

you so did not just fucking say that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933767)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:56 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

Oh apologies, brother. I meant I was NOT advocating Crit. Thoughts on Crit theory?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933787)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 6:34 PM
Author: effete lilac half-breed rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#29008620)



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Date: April 12th, 2012 11:40 AM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20446400)



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Date: September 15th, 2012 1:09 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#21584875)



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Date: April 11th, 2012 6:32 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20441378)



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Date: April 12th, 2012 11:43 AM
Author: curious foreskin ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20446416)



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Date: July 13th, 2012 10:58 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#21081826)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:52 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462006)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 2:03 AM
Author: Cocky Nighttime Mexican Library

i smoke cocks. not bragging. just being.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935686)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 3:14 AM
Author: umber razzle-dazzle corner

1s agin the best poast itt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935822)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 2:41 AM
Author: hairraiser mother

Wrong. For example, there are tons of empirical studies showing a strong correlation between the outcome of case and a judges political preference. These studies are all based off of published opinions (17% of all federal circuit court decisions are published... yes, this is the actual statistic), which include almost all of the "hard cases." If you believe these studies have at least some value, then it becomes pretty clear fairness alone is an oversimplification.

Posner has written extensively on this. Its really a combination of many things - pragmatism, ideological identity, legalism, sociology, etc. Way too many factors influence judges decision to say it comes down to "fairness."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935767)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 2:43 AM
Author: bisexual rigor idiot

nice "pretending to not know that ssm is flame/retarded/both" schtick

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935769)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 2:47 AM
Author: hairraiser mother

someone's gotta feed the fire man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935775)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 8:59 AM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

Fairness includes ideological preference. All I am trying to say--and to which you agree with--is that judges don't apply the law like its some brooding "thing" in the sky.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19936326)



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Date: May 6th, 2012 3:35 PM
Author: curious foreskin ticket booth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20628241)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 11:36 AM
Author: twisted house

Apt, timely example: United States v. Jones.

Whatever that mess of opinions actually establishes, it is a significant departure from settled Fourth Amendment doctrine. The Court just got creeped out by the "Big Brother" feel to it, and fished around for some way to say that the cops can't do that. Totally based on gut rxn, not sensible principles. Also, wrong, IMO.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19936767)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 11:40 AM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

Thank you brother.

Also, can you discuss whether Justice Alito's concurrence is based on notions of fairness?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19936784)



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Date: February 26th, 2012 12:59 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

FROM A JOB OPPORTUNITY--BASICALLY PROVES JUDGES DECIDE CASES ON THE BASIS OF FAIRNESS

The normal procedure followed by a judge in working with a law clerk on a decision or order is to discuss the case with the law clerk, advise him/her of the decision and approach to be taken, as well as to discuss the style in which the decision or order is to be written. The law clerk then independently conducts the necessary research and prepares the draft decision or order for the judge's review. Outstanding critical analysis and writing skills are therefore essential. Law clerks will have the opportunity to sit in on parts of trials, oral arguments and mediations.

It is highly preferable for candidates to have taken the bar exam prior to commencing their clerkships. Appointees commencing work prior to passing the bar exam are designated by the Office of Personnel Management as "Law Clerk" – a designation that cannot under any circumstances exceed 14 months and cannot be extended. This means that the appointee must pass the bar exam before the 14-month period ends. Once admitted to the bar of any state, the appointee’s designation is converted to "Attorney Advisor."

The FERC law clerk position requires a firm two-year commitment. The energy field is highly technical and requires substantial training to achieve competence. Once achieved, however, this competence affords our attorney advisors highly coveted and otherwise unavailable employment opportunities, both within the agency and in prestigious private law firms throughout the country. FERC law clerks typically receive multiple job offers within weeks of becoming eligible to interview (after twenty-two (22) months of service).

As a general rule the starting grade for law clerks at FERC is GS-11, currently starting at $62,467, where one or more of the following apply:

(1) Top third of law school graduating class.

(2) Member, Law Review.

(3) Member, Order of the Coif.

(4) Winner of moot court competition; member of law school moot court team.

(5) Full-time or continuous participation in a legal aid program.

(6) Significant summer law office clerk experience, particularly in the economic or energy regulatory fields.

(7) Other equivalent evidence of superior achievement.

Law clerks also receive such annual cost of living increases as may be approved by the Congress each January. In addition, if performing at the fully successful level at the end of the first year, the law clerk will be eligible for promotion to GS-12, currently starting at $74,872 (plus any cost of living increases).

GEOGRAPHIC PREFERENCE

Washington Metro Area

POSITION TYPE

Entry Level Attorney

DESIRED APPLICANT TYPE

Current Student, Alumni

LOCATION(S)

City

Washington

State/Province

District of Columbia

Country

United States

COMPENSATION

See description section.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20057958)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:58 PM
Author: Comical sanctuary

Your position is interesting, and perhaps even persuasive, but I'm not sure that it is COGENT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462036)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:59 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

Why, brother? Where you been?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462037)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:06 PM
Author: Comical sanctuary

Just messing with you man. I've been in lurk mode lately man. Not poasting much. I guess I'm just haven't been feeling inspired enough to participate in the noble dialogue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462068)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:07 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

How is California legal practice treating u, brother?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462073)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:17 PM
Author: Comical sanctuary

I like it for the most part man. I'm getting put on some fairly interesting cases for how small the firm is.

Kinda stressing about developing a NICHE to separate myself from the general lit riffraff so I can lateral in a few years. Been trying to focus on environmental cases and the "business tort" cases (intentional interference with K, trade libel, etc.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462128)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:18 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

ahh nice, brother. Are you trying to open up your own place in the Bay Area?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462136)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:40 PM
Author: Comical sanctuary

that would be awesome, but I don't think I'm entrepreneurial enough. Would love to just lateral to a small firm in the Bay that does quality litigation, brother.

Are you working these days, brother?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462250)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:01 PM
Author: effete lilac half-breed rehab

pretty easy argument when you define fairness as anything the judge bases his opinion on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462042)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:07 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

Your sophistication on these matters is utterly rudimentary.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462074)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:08 PM
Author: effete lilac half-breed rehab

explain in a cogent sentence please

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462082)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:09 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office

http://www.repository.law.indiana.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1463&context=ilj

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462087)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:16 PM
Author: effete lilac half-breed rehab

that's not a sentence brother.

whose supreme court justice's writing do you most admire brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462126)



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Date: May 23rd, 2012 10:00 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20754774)



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Date: October 7th, 2012 7:25 PM
Author: amethyst pea-brained crackhouse cumskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#21736756)



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Date: October 16th, 2012 7:06 PM
Author: amethyst pea-brained crackhouse cumskin



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#21803706)



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Date: March 27th, 2014 10:56 AM
Author: slap-happy station striped hyena

miss this guy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#25270436)



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Date: December 12th, 2014 4:59 PM
Author: Comical sanctuary



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#26918434)



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Date: October 6th, 2015 12:37 PM
Author: Pearly boltzmann immigrant

NFL refs too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#28910900)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 5:41 PM
Author: Very Tactful Principal's Office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#29008326)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 6:22 PM
Author: ocher jew nowag



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#29008554)



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Date: April 7th, 2017 11:02 PM
Author: lime frisky black woman point



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#33022599)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 10:23 PM
Author: rusted glittery jap pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#36133889)



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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:17 PM
Author: lime frisky black woman point



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Date: September 20th, 2018 1:37 PM
Author: rusted glittery jap pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#36849122)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 1:43 PM
Author: disrespectful multi-colored prole set

This is a question of legal philosophy. See “The Case of the Speluncean Explorers” and analysis for further reading.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#36849153)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 1:44 PM
Author: Plum medicated nursing home

Honestly, I agree, especially at the appellate level. If there is any gray area and it could go either way, it is going the way they think is the right answer/consistent with their politics and views.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#36849165)