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RESOLVED: JUDGES DECIDE CASES ON THE BASIS OF FAIRNESS, NOT LAW

Any credible disagreement with this proposition?
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
Did they not teach you about equity vs law? In old England t...
180 Grizzly Tanning Salon Candlestick Maker
  02/09/12
See, e.g., JEFFREY A. SEGAL & HAROLD J. SPAETH, THE SUPR...
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
You think Segal and Spaeth haven't been criticized many time...
Honey-headed trump supporter lettuce
  02/10/12
I still think they're right, as flawed as their study might ...
Out-of-control talented incel useless brakes
  02/10/12
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coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  07/23/12
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coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  10/06/15
Gross simplification of British law.
rebellious hospital therapy
  03/22/12
I tend to agree with slim. However, there are the rare occur...
glittery field striped hyena
  02/10/12
he is absolutely correct if you replace "fair" wit...
Bistre mind-boggling chapel
  02/10/12
TYFT, brother. I agree whole-heartedly. Care to elaborate?
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/10/12
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coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  12/21/12
false (see dismissals on basis of statute of limitations pro...
Chrome aphrodisiac plaza fanboi
  02/09/12
cr
Flickering property
  02/09/12
provide please several citations to such dismissals along wi...
Multi-colored Wild Elastic Band
  02/09/12
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fantasy-prone ocher goal in life messiness
  02/09/12
Duh! Those obvious cases are where the judge just applies th...
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
procedural defects aren't always clear-cut
house-broken gaming laptop rigor
  02/09/12
So do judges decide the bar on successive motions of habeas ...
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
don't know, don't care
house-broken gaming laptop rigor
  02/09/12
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  09/16/15
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coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  03/21/12
I find 'fairness' a weird name for what you're getting at
Out-of-control talented incel useless brakes
  02/09/12
What's a better word? I am trying to say that a judge decide...
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
you are 100% correct
Bistre mind-boggling chapel
  02/10/12
whats a better word then?
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  04/17/12
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coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  03/22/12
most procedural errors are corrected via motion for leave to...
Costumed rehab
  02/09/12
Very cogent, brother. Expand a little please.
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
no
Costumed rehab
  02/09/12
lol
appetizing aquamarine sanctuary legend
  12/21/12
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  04/07/17
(says something unintelligent about equitable tolling)
Magical Gaped Site Legal Warrant
  02/09/12
Even tolling is applied according to fairly rigid doctrines....
Chrome aphrodisiac plaza fanboi
  02/09/12
How about at the COA and SCOTUS level?
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
what an idiot
Out-of-control talented incel useless brakes
  02/09/12
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Reynolds
trip jet coldplay fan parlour
  02/09/12
What about Maher Arar, brother?
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
uh, by definition, thats what equity courts are supposed to ...
claret trailer park
  02/09/12
even for courts of chancery, they decide on the basis of fai...
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
if chancery is the same as equity, then yes, that is the leg...
claret trailer park
  02/09/12
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coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
well duh, they're courts of chancery
Magical Gaped Site Legal Warrant
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coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  09/23/12
Twist: the law is fair
arousing outnumbered station twinkling uncleanness
  02/09/12
if law was fair, this guy would have gotten monetary relief....
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
But Slim, what argument that proceeding w his litigation sev...
arousing outnumbered station twinkling uncleanness
  02/09/12
The invocation of the State Secret privilege in this case wa...
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
That statement standing alone seems a little conclusory. Des...
arousing outnumbered station twinkling uncleanness
  02/09/12
read david cole's brief man. He litigated the case on appeal...
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
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coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  09/30/15
to be fair, no (see bush v. gore)
Kink-friendly tank
  02/09/12
ya that was decided on the basis of fairness
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
Sarcasm?
arousing outnumbered station twinkling uncleanness
  02/09/12
the conservative bloc thought it was fair to give the electi...
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
But you didn't think it was. amirite
arousing outnumbered station twinkling uncleanness
  02/09/12
See, e.g., JEFFREY A. SEGAL & HAROLD J. SPAETH, THE SUPR...
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
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coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
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coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  03/13/12
lol, just lol
Kink-friendly tank
  02/09/12
Korematsu v. US
Exciting stock car
  02/09/12
fairness again
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
Korematsu would disagree with you.
Exciting stock car
  02/09/12
then what did they decide the case on ? not on the law...on ...
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
exigency =/= fairness.
Out-of-control talented incel useless brakes
  02/09/12
titocr
Exciting stock car
  02/09/12
define fairness, brother. is fairness some intangible, publi...
Exciting stock car
  02/09/12
See, e.g., JEFFREY A. SEGAL & HAROLD J. SPAETH, THE SUPR...
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
attitudes/values =/= fairness
Out-of-control talented incel useless brakes
  02/09/12
You've never noticed that your COA judge decides on the basi...
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
attitudes are not fairness, brother. also, my judge (who I'm...
Out-of-control talented incel useless brakes
  02/09/12
I know the law might suggest an outcome, but ultimately, in ...
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
why the fuck does that matter, a hard case by definition is ...
Out-of-control talented incel useless brakes
  02/09/12
Hard cases are where the stakes tend to be extremely high on...
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
but you see, that's a HARD CASE about which the constitution...
Out-of-control talented incel useless brakes
  02/09/12
There you go, brother. You just recognized my point. Have yo...
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
but strong indeterminacy is bullshit, 99% of law is settled
Out-of-control talented incel useless brakes
  02/09/12
I just fucking said that. Christ. Thoughts on Critical L...
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
you so did not just fucking say that
Out-of-control talented incel useless brakes
  02/09/12
Oh apologies, brother. I meant I was NOT advocating Crit. Th...
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/09/12
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coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  04/14/12
i smoke cocks. not bragging. just being.
startled cuck
  02/10/12
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Sadistic School Cafeteria Juggernaut
  02/10/12
Wrong. For example, there are tons of empirical studies show...
Cracking alpha
  02/10/12
nice "pretending to not know that ssm is flame/retarded...
Out-of-control talented incel useless brakes
  02/10/12
someone's gotta feed the fire man
Cracking alpha
  02/10/12
Fairness includes ideological preference. All I am trying to...
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/10/12
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arousing outnumbered station twinkling uncleanness
  05/06/12
Apt, timely example: United States v. Jones. Whatever tha...
canary hairraiser home persian
  02/10/12
Thank you brother. Also, can you discuss whether Justice ...
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/10/12
FROM A JOB OPPORTUNITY--BASICALLY PROVES JUDGES DECIDE CASE...
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  02/26/12
Your position is interesting, and perhaps even persuasive, b...
insane hall multi-billionaire
  04/14/12
Why, brother? Where you been?
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  04/14/12
Just messing with you man. I've been in lurk mode lately ma...
insane hall multi-billionaire
  04/14/12
How is California legal practice treating u, brother?
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  04/14/12
I like it for the most part man. I'm getting put on some fai...
insane hall multi-billionaire
  04/14/12
ahh nice, brother. Are you trying to open up your own place ...
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  04/14/12
that would be awesome, but I don't think I'm entrepreneurial...
insane hall multi-billionaire
  04/14/12
pretty easy argument when you define fairness as anything th...
Misanthropic Really Tough Guy Sex Offender
  04/14/12
Your sophistication on these matters is utterly rudimentary....
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  04/14/12
explain in a cogent sentence please
Misanthropic Really Tough Guy Sex Offender
  04/14/12
http://www.repository.law.indiana.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?ar...
coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe
  04/14/12
that's not a sentence brother. whose supreme court justic...
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miss this guy
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insane hall multi-billionaire
  12/12/14
NFL refs too
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Dashing ebony step-uncle's house
  09/20/18
This is a question of legal philosophy. See “The Case of the...
doobsian french quadroon dragon
  09/20/18
Honestly, I agree, especially at the appellate level. If th...
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  09/20/18


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Date: February 9th, 2012 12:02 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

Any credible disagreement with this proposition?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19930168)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:16 PM
Author: 180 Grizzly Tanning Salon Candlestick Maker

Did they not teach you about equity vs law? In old England they actually had two kinds of courts. One that ruled based on law and other that ruled based on fairness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931572)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 8:38 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

See, e.g., JEFFREY A. SEGAL & HAROLD J. SPAETH, THE SUPREME COURT AND THE ATTITUDINAL MODEL (2001) (arguing that Supreme Court Justices decide cases based on political attitudes

and values rather than on legal considerations).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933309)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 1:55 AM
Author: Honey-headed trump supporter lettuce

You think Segal and Spaeth haven't been criticized many times in the literature? Are you just now coming across this citation? Lol, brother, lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935652)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 2:02 AM
Author: Out-of-control talented incel useless brakes

I still think they're right, as flawed as their study might be in this way or that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935681)



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Date: July 23rd, 2012 2:13 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

http://www.hairfinder.com/celebrityhairstyles2/sarah-shahi2.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#21155031)



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Date: October 6th, 2015 12:30 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#28910878)



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Date: March 22nd, 2012 12:38 PM
Author: rebellious hospital therapy

Gross simplification of British law.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20267597)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 3:34 AM
Author: glittery field striped hyena

I tend to agree with slim. However, there are the rare occurrences when Judges rule in accordance with procedural law that results in an otherwise inequitable outcome. During the rare instances that I'm working on the defense side, I shoot for the quick technical win and sometimes you get the job done with the support from the Judge, all the while knowing that the other side clearly has merit.

I would hope that fairness dictates our judicial processes, but what is fairness? To say that ulterior motives are never a factor is to say that Judges are inhuman machines.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935879)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 8:26 AM
Author: Bistre mind-boggling chapel

he is absolutely correct if you replace "fair" with "whatever the judge thinks is the "right" answer"

anyone who disputes this is a fucking retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19936282)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 8:47 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

TYFT, brother. I agree whole-heartedly. Care to elaborate?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19939799)



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Date: December 21st, 2012 11:18 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#22294286)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 12:06 PM
Author: Chrome aphrodisiac plaza fanboi

false (see dismissals on basis of statute of limitations procedural errors etc)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19930195)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 12:09 PM
Author: Flickering property

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19930213)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 12:09 PM
Author: Multi-colored Wild Elastic Band

provide please several citations to such dismissals along with a cogent and succinct summary of each case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19930216)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 12:13 PM
Author: fantasy-prone ocher goal in life messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19930248)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:16 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

Duh! Those obvious cases are where the judge just applies the law. But in hard cases like Romer v Evans, Heller, and so forth, a decision is made on the basis of fairness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931274)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:05 PM
Author: house-broken gaming laptop rigor

procedural defects aren't always clear-cut

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931518)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:06 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

So do judges decide the bar on successive motions of habeas relief on the basis of fairness?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931520)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:08 PM
Author: house-broken gaming laptop rigor

don't know, don't care

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931531)



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Date: September 16th, 2015 12:44 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#28766995)



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Date: March 21st, 2012 10:47 AM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20257024)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:43 PM
Author: Out-of-control talented incel useless brakes

I find 'fairness' a weird name for what you're getting at

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932013)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 8:08 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

What's a better word? I am trying to say that a judge decides cases on the basis of his own personal view as to what the best/just outcome should be according to his own peculiar worldview.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933138)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 8:31 AM
Author: Bistre mind-boggling chapel

you are 100% correct



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19936288)



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Date: April 17th, 2012 9:00 AM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

whats a better word then?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20481268)



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Date: March 22nd, 2012 11:58 AM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20267364)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:23 PM
Author: Costumed rehab

most procedural errors are corrected via motion for leave to amend.

it can be argued that it is fair not to subject someone to suit after a significant amount of time (the limitations period) has passed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931301)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:24 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

Very cogent, brother. Expand a little please.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931304)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:27 PM
Author: Costumed rehab

no

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931325)



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Date: December 21st, 2012 11:33 PM
Author: appetizing aquamarine sanctuary legend

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#22294360)



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Date: April 7th, 2017 11:03 PM
Author: big-titted rambunctious internal respiration famous landscape painting



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#33022612)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:48 PM
Author: Magical Gaped Site Legal Warrant

(says something unintelligent about equitable tolling)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932040)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:41 PM
Author: Chrome aphrodisiac plaza fanboi

Even tolling is applied according to fairly rigid doctrines. OP's assertion is garbage at the trial court level where courts don't stray much from the rules and doctrines set forth from above. Obviously the Supreme Court is more likely to take account of fluffy policy considerations.

I guess it depends on how you define fairness. I believe OP is trying to argue that courts don't follow precedent or doctrines and make decisions according to their notions of justice and good policy which really isn't all that true at the lower court levels.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933674)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:42 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

How about at the COA and SCOTUS level?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933679)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 12:09 PM
Author: Out-of-control talented incel useless brakes

what an idiot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19930214)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:32 PM
Author: trip jet coldplay fan parlour

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Reynolds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931347)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:33 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

What about Maher Arar, brother?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931355)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:37 PM
Author: claret trailer park

uh, by definition, thats what equity courts are supposed to do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931372)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 3:57 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

even for courts of chancery, they decide on the basis of fairness

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931470)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:50 PM
Author: claret trailer park

if chancery is the same as equity, then yes, that is the legal standard they apply: what is fair.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932054)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:26 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933582)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:51 PM
Author: Magical Gaped Site Legal Warrant

well duh, they're courts of chancery

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932067)



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Date: September 23rd, 2012 11:18 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#21645753)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:02 PM
Author: arousing outnumbered station twinkling uncleanness

Twist: the law is fair

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931502)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:04 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

if law was fair, this guy would have gotten monetary relief.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maher_Arar

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931513)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:07 PM
Author: arousing outnumbered station twinkling uncleanness

But Slim, what argument that proceeding w his litigation severely impairs post-9/11 American foreign policy? I.e., fairer to protect American people than this dood. Your take?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931528)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:09 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

The invocation of the State Secret privilege in this case was invoked disingeniously.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931537)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:11 PM
Author: arousing outnumbered station twinkling uncleanness

That statement standing alone seems a little conclusory. Describe why if you could

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931550)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:34 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

read david cole's brief man. He litigated the case on appeal to the 2nd cir. with CCR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931671)



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Date: September 30th, 2015 9:40 AM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#28867546)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:11 PM
Author: Kink-friendly tank

to be fair, no (see bush v. gore)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931546)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:11 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

ya that was decided on the basis of fairness

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931549)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:11 PM
Author: arousing outnumbered station twinkling uncleanness

Sarcasm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931553)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:12 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

the conservative bloc thought it was fair to give the election to bush.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931556)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:15 PM
Author: arousing outnumbered station twinkling uncleanness

But you didn't think it was. amirite

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931565)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 8:38 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

See, e.g., JEFFREY A. SEGAL & HAROLD J. SPAETH, THE SUPREME COURT AND THE ATTITUDINAL MODEL (2001) (arguing that Supreme Court Justices decide cases based on political attitudes

and values rather than on legal considerations

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933314)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 5:37 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#29008298)



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Date: March 13th, 2012 2:30 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20195801)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:12 PM
Author: Kink-friendly tank

lol, just lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931554)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:15 PM
Author: Exciting stock car

Korematsu v. US

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931567)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 4:30 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

fairness again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931650)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:39 PM
Author: Exciting stock car

Korematsu would disagree with you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19931987)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:42 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

then what did they decide the case on ? not on the law...on the basis of exigency and thus fairness

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932005)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:49 PM
Author: Out-of-control talented incel useless brakes

exigency =/= fairness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932046)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:55 PM
Author: Exciting stock car

titocr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932082)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 5:50 PM
Author: Exciting stock car

define fairness, brother. is fairness some intangible, public good which usurps the individual's rights in exigent circumstances? please provide no less than 3 cogent, relevant examples in an expeditious manner. ty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19932052)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 8:07 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

See, e.g., JEFFREY A. SEGAL & HAROLD J. SPAETH, THE SUPREME COURT AND THE ATTITUDINAL MODEL (2001) (arguing that Supreme Court Justices decide cases based on political attitudes

and values rather than on legal considerations)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933128)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:32 PM
Author: Out-of-control talented incel useless brakes

attitudes/values =/= fairness

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933610)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:33 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

You've never noticed that your COA judge decides on the basis of fairness a given complaint?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933614)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:35 PM
Author: Out-of-control talented incel useless brakes

attitudes are not fairness, brother. also, my judge (who I'm not working for yet) always seems to agree with the other judges on their panels, and I find it hard to believe they all have the same views about the "fairness" of this or that. but they do agree on the law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933625)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:37 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

I know the law might suggest an outcome, but ultimately, in the hard cases, don't you think the judges just think that their reasoning is outcome-driven?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933639)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:38 PM
Author: Out-of-control talented incel useless brakes

why the fuck does that matter, a hard case by definition is one where the law has probably run out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933648)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:39 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

Hard cases are where the stakes tend to be extremely high on both sides, and in which decisions on the basis of fairness are most often generated.

Thoughts on DeShaney v. Winnebago County? Read that case. notice how the Justices decide the merits on the basis of their personal vision of fairness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933655)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:45 PM
Author: Out-of-control talented incel useless brakes

but you see, that's a HARD CASE about which the constitution really says absolutely nothing one way or another, so yeah, what else are you going to rely on but your personal vision of the law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933695)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:46 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

There you go, brother. You just recognized my point. Have you ever read the Legal Realists like Alan Watson? They sort of make the same point. I am advocating a Crit position a la Duncan Kennedy, Roberto Unger or Mark Tushnet (i.e. a strong indeterminacy argument).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933705)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:51 PM
Author: Out-of-control talented incel useless brakes

but strong indeterminacy is bullshit, 99% of law is settled

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933744)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:53 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

I just fucking said that. Christ.

Thoughts on Critical Legal Studies?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933755)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:54 PM
Author: Out-of-control talented incel useless brakes

you so did not just fucking say that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933767)



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Date: February 9th, 2012 9:56 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

Oh apologies, brother. I meant I was NOT advocating Crit. Thoughts on Crit theory?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19933787)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 6:34 PM
Author: Misanthropic Really Tough Guy Sex Offender



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#29008620)



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Date: April 12th, 2012 11:40 AM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20446400)



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Date: September 15th, 2012 1:09 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#21584875)



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Date: April 11th, 2012 6:32 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20441378)



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Date: April 12th, 2012 11:43 AM
Author: arousing outnumbered station twinkling uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20446416)



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Date: July 13th, 2012 10:58 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#21081826)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:52 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462006)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 2:03 AM
Author: startled cuck

i smoke cocks. not bragging. just being.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935686)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 3:14 AM
Author: Sadistic School Cafeteria Juggernaut

1s agin the best poast itt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935822)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 2:41 AM
Author: Cracking alpha

Wrong. For example, there are tons of empirical studies showing a strong correlation between the outcome of case and a judges political preference. These studies are all based off of published opinions (17% of all federal circuit court decisions are published... yes, this is the actual statistic), which include almost all of the "hard cases." If you believe these studies have at least some value, then it becomes pretty clear fairness alone is an oversimplification.

Posner has written extensively on this. Its really a combination of many things - pragmatism, ideological identity, legalism, sociology, etc. Way too many factors influence judges decision to say it comes down to "fairness."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935767)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 2:43 AM
Author: Out-of-control talented incel useless brakes

nice "pretending to not know that ssm is flame/retarded/both" schtick

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935769)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 2:47 AM
Author: Cracking alpha

someone's gotta feed the fire man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19935775)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 8:59 AM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

Fairness includes ideological preference. All I am trying to say--and to which you agree with--is that judges don't apply the law like its some brooding "thing" in the sky.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19936326)



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Date: May 6th, 2012 3:35 PM
Author: arousing outnumbered station twinkling uncleanness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20628241)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 11:36 AM
Author: canary hairraiser home persian

Apt, timely example: United States v. Jones.

Whatever that mess of opinions actually establishes, it is a significant departure from settled Fourth Amendment doctrine. The Court just got creeped out by the "Big Brother" feel to it, and fished around for some way to say that the cops can't do that. Totally based on gut rxn, not sensible principles. Also, wrong, IMO.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19936767)



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Date: February 10th, 2012 11:40 AM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

Thank you brother.

Also, can you discuss whether Justice Alito's concurrence is based on notions of fairness?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#19936784)



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Date: February 26th, 2012 12:59 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

FROM A JOB OPPORTUNITY--BASICALLY PROVES JUDGES DECIDE CASES ON THE BASIS OF FAIRNESS

The normal procedure followed by a judge in working with a law clerk on a decision or order is to discuss the case with the law clerk, advise him/her of the decision and approach to be taken, as well as to discuss the style in which the decision or order is to be written. The law clerk then independently conducts the necessary research and prepares the draft decision or order for the judge's review. Outstanding critical analysis and writing skills are therefore essential. Law clerks will have the opportunity to sit in on parts of trials, oral arguments and mediations.

It is highly preferable for candidates to have taken the bar exam prior to commencing their clerkships. Appointees commencing work prior to passing the bar exam are designated by the Office of Personnel Management as "Law Clerk" – a designation that cannot under any circumstances exceed 14 months and cannot be extended. This means that the appointee must pass the bar exam before the 14-month period ends. Once admitted to the bar of any state, the appointee’s designation is converted to "Attorney Advisor."

The FERC law clerk position requires a firm two-year commitment. The energy field is highly technical and requires substantial training to achieve competence. Once achieved, however, this competence affords our attorney advisors highly coveted and otherwise unavailable employment opportunities, both within the agency and in prestigious private law firms throughout the country. FERC law clerks typically receive multiple job offers within weeks of becoming eligible to interview (after twenty-two (22) months of service).

As a general rule the starting grade for law clerks at FERC is GS-11, currently starting at $62,467, where one or more of the following apply:

(1) Top third of law school graduating class.

(2) Member, Law Review.

(3) Member, Order of the Coif.

(4) Winner of moot court competition; member of law school moot court team.

(5) Full-time or continuous participation in a legal aid program.

(6) Significant summer law office clerk experience, particularly in the economic or energy regulatory fields.

(7) Other equivalent evidence of superior achievement.

Law clerks also receive such annual cost of living increases as may be approved by the Congress each January. In addition, if performing at the fully successful level at the end of the first year, the law clerk will be eligible for promotion to GS-12, currently starting at $74,872 (plus any cost of living increases).

GEOGRAPHIC PREFERENCE

Washington Metro Area

POSITION TYPE

Entry Level Attorney

DESIRED APPLICANT TYPE

Current Student, Alumni

LOCATION(S)

City

Washington

State/Province

District of Columbia

Country

United States

COMPENSATION

See description section.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20057958)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:58 PM
Author: insane hall multi-billionaire

Your position is interesting, and perhaps even persuasive, but I'm not sure that it is COGENT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462036)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 3:59 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

Why, brother? Where you been?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462037)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:06 PM
Author: insane hall multi-billionaire

Just messing with you man. I've been in lurk mode lately man. Not poasting much. I guess I'm just haven't been feeling inspired enough to participate in the noble dialogue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462068)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:07 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

How is California legal practice treating u, brother?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462073)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:17 PM
Author: insane hall multi-billionaire

I like it for the most part man. I'm getting put on some fairly interesting cases for how small the firm is.

Kinda stressing about developing a NICHE to separate myself from the general lit riffraff so I can lateral in a few years. Been trying to focus on environmental cases and the "business tort" cases (intentional interference with K, trade libel, etc.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462128)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:18 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

ahh nice, brother. Are you trying to open up your own place in the Bay Area?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462136)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:40 PM
Author: insane hall multi-billionaire

that would be awesome, but I don't think I'm entrepreneurial enough. Would love to just lateral to a small firm in the Bay that does quality litigation, brother.

Are you working these days, brother?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462250)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:01 PM
Author: Misanthropic Really Tough Guy Sex Offender

pretty easy argument when you define fairness as anything the judge bases his opinion on

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462042)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:07 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

Your sophistication on these matters is utterly rudimentary.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462074)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:08 PM
Author: Misanthropic Really Tough Guy Sex Offender

explain in a cogent sentence please

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462082)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:09 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe

http://www.repository.law.indiana.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1463&context=ilj

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462087)



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Date: April 14th, 2012 4:16 PM
Author: Misanthropic Really Tough Guy Sex Offender

that's not a sentence brother.

whose supreme court justice's writing do you most admire brother

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20462126)



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Date: May 23rd, 2012 10:00 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#20754774)



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Date: October 7th, 2012 7:25 PM
Author: beady-eyed cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#21736756)



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Date: October 16th, 2012 7:06 PM
Author: beady-eyed cruise ship



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#21803706)



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Date: March 27th, 2014 10:56 AM
Author: Carmine concupiscible market clown

miss this guy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#25270436)



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Date: December 12th, 2014 4:59 PM
Author: insane hall multi-billionaire



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#26918434)



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Date: October 6th, 2015 12:37 PM
Author: Domesticated area

NFL refs too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#28910900)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 5:41 PM
Author: coral charismatic national sweet tailpipe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#29008326)



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Date: October 20th, 2015 6:22 PM
Author: bateful vermilion idiot electric furnace



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#29008554)



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Date: April 7th, 2017 11:02 PM
Author: big-titted rambunctious internal respiration famous landscape painting



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#33022599)



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Date: May 26th, 2018 10:23 PM
Author: Dashing ebony step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#36133889)



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Date: June 27th, 2018 12:17 PM
Author: big-titted rambunctious internal respiration famous landscape painting



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#36319016)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 1:37 PM
Author: Dashing ebony step-uncle's house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#36849122)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 1:43 PM
Author: doobsian french quadroon dragon

This is a question of legal philosophy. See “The Case of the Speluncean Explorers” and analysis for further reading.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#36849153)



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Date: September 20th, 2018 1:44 PM
Author: painfully honest swashbuckling patrolman mother

Honestly, I agree, especially at the appellate level. If there is any gray area and it could go either way, it is going the way they think is the right answer/consistent with their politics and views.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1869594&forum_id=2#36849165)