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HLS ($150K debt) vs Michigan ($0)
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Date: May 3rd, 2012 7:24 PM |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 3:47 PM |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 7:46 PM |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 9:17 PM |
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Date: May 3rd, 2012 7:25 PM |
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Date: May 3rd, 2012 7:27 PM |
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Date: May 3rd, 2012 7:28 PM
Michigan it is. |
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Date: May 3rd, 2012 7:31 PM
UM is a T6-10 and reasonable for academia if you get a COA and publish |
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Date: May 3rd, 2012 7:38 PM
I assume top 10% needed for COA at Mich? |
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Date: May 3rd, 2012 9:58 PM |
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Date: May 3rd, 2012 7:30 PM |
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Date: May 3rd, 2012 7:30 PM |
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Date: May 3rd, 2012 7:33 PM |
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Date: May 3rd, 2012 7:39 PM |
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Date: May 3rd, 2012 7:45 PM |
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Date: May 3rd, 2012 7:52 PM |
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Date: May 3rd, 2012 7:55 PM |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 7:47 PM
lol, just lol at law school. |
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Date: May 3rd, 2012 7:48 PM |
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Date: May 3rd, 2012 7:54 PM |
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Date: May 30th, 2012 10:43 PM
i'm guessing m didn't work out for you |
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Date: May 3rd, 2012 8:50 PM |
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Date: May 3rd, 2012 9:57 PM |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 11:28 PM |
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Date: May 3rd, 2012 9:59 PM |
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Date: May 3rd, 2012 10:07 PM
Go to Michigan. |
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Date: May 27th, 2012 7:21 PM
In your situation, I went to Michigan and do not regret it (although I was never interested in academia). You never know what happens in the future, and whether your preferences will change. Not having 200K of debt is going to make your life a lot easier in the future.
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Date: May 27th, 2012 7:22 PM
just LMFAO @ "top 25%" from UMich being competitive for a teaching gig. that's not even competitive for a d.ct. clerkship out of "sixigan" |
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Date: May 27th, 2012 9:41 PM |
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Date: May 27th, 2012 9:41 PM |
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Date: May 27th, 2012 9:58 PM |
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Date: May 27th, 2012 11:01 PM |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 3:52 PM |
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Date: May 30th, 2012 10:51 PM |
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Date: May 27th, 2012 10:06 PM |
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Date: May 27th, 2012 11:05 PM
Otherwise, HLS is a no brainer. |
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Date: May 27th, 2012 11:21 PM
Sure, if you end up being bottom half at Michigan, you might be screwed. But at least you have no additional debt. And at that point, maybe legal career wasn't the right choice for you. |
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Date: May 27th, 2012 11:28 PM
if you're going to be mediocre, you're way better off at HLS, regardless of the debt situation.
not sure how much you know about HLS's low income protection program...seems like it's not that much...
Most michigan students don't have the option to go to CCN, let alone HLS, so i don't know what you're trying to prove by saying that most don't have michigan ties
yeah, if you're in the bottom 2/3 at michigan you might be fucked. unless you're bottom 10% at HLS, you're fine.
EDIT: this is verbatim from the hls lipp website:
"The plan helps relieve the burden of education loan repayment for J.D. graduates in full-time government, non-profit or academic jobs. In addition, full-time law-related jobs in the private sector are also covered under LIPP (see Eligible Employment for definition of law-related)."
you should really be a little more responsible when you give someone advice on potentially serious topics like this... |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 2:36 PM
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Date: May 28th, 2012 7:41 PM
i did, more or less, say that top 90% at HLS is equivalent to about top 1/3 at michigan, though...
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Date: May 29th, 2012 12:12 PM
Top 5% UM = Top 10% H Top 25% UM = Top 1/3 H Top 1/3 UM = Top 1/2 H Top 1/2 UM = Top 2/3 H
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Date: May 27th, 2012 11:31 PM |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 2:42 PM |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 4:05 PM |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 8:33 PM |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 2:40 PM |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 2:42 PM |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 4:04 PM you can only do academia if you are among the top students in your class, but you have no idea if you are gonna be a top student.
a. Assume you are gonna be a top student. 1. Top of class at M = clerkship/academia 2. Top of class at HLS = clerkship/academia; I grant that you can be a little lower in the class in HLS, but I think its fair to say competition would also be more fierce.
b. Assume you, like 90% of all incoming 1Ls, end up in the bottom 90%. 1. Graduate M debt free, no worries, do whatever you want. Likely biglaw, balling with 160k and no debt. 2. Pwned by 160k debt with HLS pedigree, chained to Biglaw for 3+ years, when you will finally have 0 netwoth.
Now, is this still a hard decision?
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Date: May 28th, 2012 5:59 PM |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 8:57 PM
2) ???
3) Does whatever he wants, worry free |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 11:23 PM |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 4:39 PM |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 4:40 PM |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 4:41 PM |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 4:43 PM Plus, saying you graduated from HLS is arguably worth 150k by itself. But that isn't the topic. |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 4:44 PM |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 6:02 PM |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 11:36 PM |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 4:57 PM That said, the self-reported data last year said Michigan placed 10 or so, and Harvard placed 17 or so; this year, Harvard placed 20 or so, and Michigan just 2 or so. There's self-reported data to deal with and the limitations there, of course. So it's up to you to interpret how you will. It's really a question of how risk-averse or debt-averse you are. If you turn down Harvard, in all likelihood (but not in all certainty) you'll perform well at Michigan; but, there's a risk you may not, and a risk that you won't have the same opportunities. In the end, I think it's something of a wash. $150K or so in debt is nothing to sneeze at; but the H-bomb is, I suppose, "priceless." Law school at a T6 (or whatever the numbers the kids use these days) for free is impressive; the risk that you don't get the crap shoot of academia is something else. And really, with a little elbow grease (publishing a couple of quality pieces upon graduation), you can put yourself in a strong position if you're targeting academia from day one. It's harder to decide in 5 years you want to do academia when you'd have acted differently from the beginning. Sorry, I realize this didn't give you an answer. Except to say all the "definitely" answers in this thread are probably wrong. |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 5:09 PM
(nasally Jew shitlaw prof at TTT providing penetrating BPL analysis) |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 5:20 PM |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 5:12 PM
but considering its pretty fucking hard to get academia from H anyway, you should just go to LS for free. i sense lots of people ITT had their parents pay for school or something because 150k is a shitload of debt--freedom is awesome |
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Date: May 29th, 2012 12:18 PM |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 11:25 PM |
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Date: May 28th, 2012 11:42 PM
drops panties
UMich
half the V25 dropped out of OCI 2009 |